Hi Janice, There is a strong chance that your ancestor was interned. Many people with clearly German names, but with no sympathy for the Nazi cause, were rounded up and interned for the duration of the war as the authorities felt they could have been fifth columnists. A good number of them were held in a well known camp on the Isle of Man. Roland Hayward ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janice Duke" <mshx@optonline.net> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com>; <GREATWAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 1:02 AM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Internment of foreign nationals. > Hi Barbara/Listers, > > As I reread your subject line & query, I have the following thought. If > your person was born in England, he would not be a foreign national. > > Janice > USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Short" <b.short@virgin.net> > To: <GREATWAR-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 6:31 PM > Subject: [GREATWAR] Internment of foreign nationals. > > >> Can anyone advise on how I can discover whether an ancestor with a German >> name ( although born in England ) was interned during WW1 ? >> >> He was running a long established business, but family legend ( well, my >> brother-in-law ! ) insists that he was interned. >> >> Barbara >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Aaron, I don't remember if I sent this site to you which names your young man: http://www.firstworldwar.com/features/rainbowwarriors.htm Janice USA

Hello Lou I have a birth certificate which shows the father concerned (my grandfather) with his army rank etc as well as what was his former civilian occupation (although the certificate did not indicate that it was his former occupation). At the time he was on war service in the army (TA). No doubt your John was in a similar situation. Adrian Yorkshire ----- Original Message ----- From: Bellbo99@aol.com To: GREATWAR@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 9:06 PM Subject: [GREATWAR] Storeman at gas works? Hi All, I'm writing again in the hope that someone can answer the following query.I have a birth certifcate that states that the father,John William Hill,was in the Devonshire Regiment,but also an assistant storeman at gasworks.Does this mean that John was once in the Devonshire regiment as a volunteer but works in the gasworks,or would it be part of his duty? The family lived in Bermondsey in 1917. Thanks very much, Best wishes Lou

Try 'The Monocled Mutineer' by William Allison & John Farley - its fiction but based on fact and gives a lot of description John -----Original Message----- From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gower Sent: 08 June 2007 00:30 To: greatwar@rootsweb.com Subject: [GREATWAR] Etaples Can anybody give me a source for a written description of the Etaples Bull Ring? I know roughly where it was, but have never seen anything written about it. Thanks, Peter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone advise on how I can discover whether an ancestor with a German name ( although born in England ) was interned during WW1 ? He was running a long established business, but family legend ( well, my brother-in-law ! ) insists that he was interned. Barbara

http://www.rainbowvets.org/ Home page

Here are the units that compiled the Rainbow Division and a link to some of the maps. delilah http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~worldwarone/WWI/Maps/index.html#Cantonments Forty-second, 42nd Division ( National Guard) Source No. 2: 42nd Division - Most of the Middle and far Western States. Trained at Camp Mills in Garden City, Long Island, N. Y. Nickname: Rainbow Division 165th, 166th, 167th, 168th Infantry (Inf.) 149th, 150th, 151st Artillery (Art.) 149th, 150th, 151st Machine Gun (M. G.) 117th Engineers (Eng.) Major Generals Commanding: W. A. Mann, C. T. Menoher, C. D. Rhodes, C. A. F. Flagler. Engaged: Red Cross Farm, St. Mihiel, Argonne, Rhine. Shoulder/Sleeve Insignia:

Lou It's hard to be definite without seeing what's written, but often the birth certificate of a child whose father was serving in the Army would have the Army rank and regiment in the column for father's occupation, and underneath it would also have his previous civilian employment or profession. So that column would read [for instance] Private, Devonshire Regiment Assistant Storeman, Gasworks This would indicate full time service in the Army at the time the certificate was issued. Sue Sue Light [Lancing, West Sussex] www.scarletfinders.co.uk On 08/06/07, Bellbo99@aol.com <Bellbo99@aol.com> wrote: > > Hi All, > > I'm writing again in the hope that someone can answer the following > query.I > have a birth certifcate that states that the father,John William Hill,was > in > the Devonshire Regiment,but also an assistant storeman at gasworks.Doesthis > mean that John was once in the Devonshire regiment as a volunteer but > works > in the gasworks,or would it be part of his duty? > > The family lived in Bermondsey in 1917. > > Thanks very much, > > Best wishes > > Lou > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Barbara/Listers, As I reread your subject line & query, I have the following thought. If your person was born in England, he would not be a foreign national. Janice USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Short" <b.short@virgin.net> To: <GREATWAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 6:31 PM Subject: [GREATWAR] Internment of foreign nationals. > Can anyone advise on how I can discover whether an ancestor with a German > name ( although born in England ) was interned during WW1 ? > > He was running a long established business, but family legend ( well, my > brother-in-law ! ) insists that he was interned. > > Barbara > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Barbara, Perhaps something here can help: http://www.1914-1918.net/POW/index.php http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=21 See number 2: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/rdleaflet.asp?sLeafletID=224 Hope this helps, Janice USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Short" <b.short@virgin.net> To: <GREATWAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 6:31 PM Subject: [GREATWAR] Internment of foreign nationals. > Can anyone advise on how I can discover whether an ancestor with a German > name ( although born in England ) was interned during WW1 ? > > He was running a long established business, but family legend ( well, my > brother-in-law ! ) insists that he was interned. > > Barbara > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, I'm writing again in the hope that someone can answer the following query.I have a birth certifcate that states that the father,John William Hill,was in the Devonshire Regiment,but also an assistant storeman at gasworks.Does this mean that John was once in the Devonshire regiment as a volunteer but works in the gasworks,or would it be part of his duty? The family lived in Bermondsey in 1917. Thanks very much, Best wishes Lou

Hi Aaron/Listers, This downloadable book may be helpful. See pages 160-180: http://books.google.com/books?id=DwAgAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA269&lpg=PA269&dq=royaumeix&source=web&ots=9wxFb8jyZn&sig=ZEndBjsYvUI4HR8lgYmh8CIqpWU#PPP17,M1 Janice USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Hill" <mrmayor@hotmail.com> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com>; <darling@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Leslie Warren Darling, Iowa 168th Infantry I want to publicly thank Janice for sending this material along. Aaron> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 17:11:38 -0400> From: mshx@optonline.net> To: greatwar@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Leslie Warren Darling, Iowa 168th Infantry> > Hi Aaron,> See this site for info. on your young man about 3/4 down the page:> http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ia/state/military/wwi/chateau.txt> > Seems he died in Field Hospital No. 117 on 30 July, 1918. He was wounded on > the 26th at Foret de Fere near Chateau Thierry.> > Hope this helps, & thank you for his military service as it is appreciated. > I'm sorry for his loss.> > Janice> USA> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aaron Hill" <mrmayor@hotmail.com>> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 3:59 PM> Subject: [GREATWAR] Leslie Warren Darling, Iowa 168th Infantry> > > Leslie Warren Darling, born on August 23rd, 1895 in Chicago to Jerome Harvey > DARLING and Jessica ‘Jessie’ WARREN, served in Iowa’s 168th Infantry during > the First World War. This unit was attached to the 42nd Division, commonly > known as the Rainbow Division, of the American Expeditionary Force [AEF]. _________________________________________________________________ Live Earth is coming. Learn more about the hottest summer event - only on MSN. http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthwlm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I want to publicly thank Janice for sending this material along. Aaron> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 17:11:38 -0400> From: mshx@optonline.net> To: greatwar@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Leslie Warren Darling, Iowa 168th Infantry> > Hi Aaron,> See this site for info. on your young man about 3/4 down the page:> http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ia/state/military/wwi/chateau.txt> > Seems he died in Field Hospital No. 117 on 30 July, 1918. He was wounded on > the 26th at Foret de Fere near Chateau Thierry.> > Hope this helps, & thank you for his military service as it is appreciated. > I'm sorry for his loss.> > Janice> USA> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aaron Hill" <mrmayor@hotmail.com>> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 3:59 PM> Subject: [GREATWAR] Leslie Warren Darling, Iowa 168th Infantry> > > Leslie Warren Darling, born on August 23rd, 1895 in Chicago to Jerome Harvey > DARLING and Jessica ‘Jessie’ WARREN, served in Iowa’s 168th Infantry during > the First World War. This unit was attached to the 42nd Division, commonly > known as the Rainbow Division, of the American Expeditionary Force [AEF]. _________________________________________________________________ Live Earth is coming.  Learn more about the hottest summer event - only on MSN. http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthwlm

Very interesting about the mutiny, but I was looking for a book/article on the day to day running of the camp. Peter

Leslie Warren Darling, born on August 23rd, 1895 in Chicago to Jerome Harvey DARLING and Jessica ‘Jessie’ WARREN, served in Iowa’s 168th Infantry during the First World War. This unit was attached to the 42nd Division, commonly known as the Rainbow Division, of the American Expeditionary Force [AEF]. Nearly 30 years later during World War II, this division was commanded by General George S. Patton and liberated the concentration camp at Dachau, Germany near Munich. During World War I, the division was comprised primarily of Army National Guard detachments, which had the first Americans to see action in Europe. Leslie Darling was a private first class in Company E. His serial number was 100884. While fighting with his regiment in the Battle at La Croix Rouge Farm, about 25 kilometers northeast of Chateau Thierry, France, he was critically wounded in action. There is some confusion in the military and hospital documents about what followed. However, he was likely sent to a field hospital. Military paperwork recorded the field hospital as the 117th. Yet, no field hospital with that number existed. Apparently the number may refer to what was called a ‘sanitary train.’ According to World War I historian and collector Gilles Lagin, who lived near battlefields and cemeteries surrounding Chateau Thierry, Leslie Darling was probably taken by ambulance to the closest aid station or to a nearby field hospital. A resident of Marigny-en-Orxois, Lagin opearates the only museum in France devoted solely to the American Expeditionary Forces. Eventually Leslie was transferred to a hospital where he succumbed to his wounds. He died on July 28, 1918, three days after the intense battle. Consequently his body was buried in the adjacent Aisne-Marne cemetery, which is sometimes referred to as Belleau or Chateau Thierry. His name is inscribed on the interior of the chapel. Jerome Darling, often known simply as ‘Grandpa Darling,’ was living in Ogden, Iowa when he was notified of his son’s death. For several weeks he had written letters to Leslie not knowing about his tragic end. After several years with Geneva Darling Hay, and then Lois and Henry Rasmussen, the letters are now in the possession of Gordon and Shirley Heber of South Dakota. In 1969 while on a trip to Europe, Frank and Azalea Davis visited the Chateau Thierry area with their children Ann and Paul. Azalea recalled the scene with hundreds of white crosses stretching across the landscape. “We didn’t find a cross with his name. We walked up one of the paths to a small chapel where those soldiers whose bodies could not be found had their names on a wall.... His name was there,” she said. Azalea continued, “[T]here was no one else there except a man with a wheelbarrow cutting the dead roses off of the hundreds of beautiful bushes.... I.... asked [for] a spray from the ones he was discarding.... I brought [it] back to Mom [Geneva Hay]. She framed it and had it above her kitchen all those years when she lived in town [Lake Preston, South Dakota]. I think I gave it to Marilyn [Geisler] after Mom died.” On Memorial Day in May 2001, American veterans returned for a tour of the area and dedicated a plaque to the men of the Rainbow Division. http://www.sauruspress.com/travel/remembrance/ourq_river.htm http://www.frommers.com/articles/2816.html http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/greatwar/2006-08/1156352864 http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/greatwar/2001-09/0999576077 http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/greatwar/2001-09/0999625790 _________________________________________________________________ Live Earth is coming.  Learn more about the hottest summer event - only on MSN. http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthwlm

Hi Peter, Seems this refers to the Etaples mutiny of 1917: See very bottom of page: http://www.firstworldwar.com/bio/spee.htm See 8th paragraph: http://www.firstworldwar.com/features/utterends.htm See about 1/4 way down the page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_McGann http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89taples_Mutiny http://www.answers.com/topic/taples-mutiny Hope this helps, Janice USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Gower" <peter.gower@sympatico.ca> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 7:30 PM Subject: [GREATWAR] Etaples > Can anybody give me a source for a written description of the Etaples Bull > Ring? I know roughly where it was, but have never seen anything written > about it. Thanks, Peter > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anybody give me a source for a written description of the Etaples Bull Ring? I know roughly where it was, but have never seen anything written about it. Thanks, Peter

Thanks Tom for your advice. The diary was exhibited at the 'Forces Sweethearts Exhibition'. I'll certainly contact both of the addresses you gave, Regards, Alan Merryweather.

Hi Aaron, Info. here may be helpful: http://batmarn2.club.fr/ourcq_42.htm Your young man is here, a little more that 1/2 way down the page: http://www.firstworldwar.com/features/rainbowwarriors.htm Janice USA

Hi Aaron, See this site for info. on your young man about 3/4 down the page: http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ia/state/military/wwi/chateau.txt Seems he died in Field Hospital No. 117 on 30 July, 1918. He was wounded on the 26th at Foret de Fere near Chateau Thierry. Hope this helps, & thank you for his military service as it is appreciated. I'm sorry for his loss. Janice USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Hill" <mrmayor@hotmail.com> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 3:59 PM Subject: [GREATWAR] Leslie Warren Darling, Iowa 168th Infantry Leslie Warren Darling, born on August 23rd, 1895 in Chicago to Jerome Harvey DARLING and Jessica ‘Jessie’ WARREN, served in Iowa’s 168th Infantry during the First World War. This unit was attached to the 42nd Division, commonly known as the Rainbow Division, of the American Expeditionary Force [AEF]. Nearly 30 years later during World War II, this division was commanded by General George S. Patton and liberated the concentration camp at Dachau, Germany near Munich. During World War I, the division was comprised primarily of Army National Guard detachments, which had the first Americans to see action in Europe. Leslie Darling was a private first class in Company E. His serial number was 100884. While fighting with his regiment in the Battle at La Croix Rouge Farm, about 25 kilometers northeast of Chateau Thierry, France, he was critically wounded in action. There is some confusion in the military and hospital documents about what followed. However, he was likely sent to a field hospital. Military paperwork recorded the field hospital as the 117th. Yet, no field hospital with that number existed. Apparently the number may refer to what was called a ‘sanitary train.’ According to World War I historian and collector Gilles Lagin, who lived near battlefields and cemeteries surrounding Chateau Thierry, Leslie Darling was probably taken by ambulance to the closest aid station or to a nearby field hospital. A resident of Marigny-en-Orxois, Lagin opearates the only museum in France devoted solely to the American Expeditionary Forces. Eventually Leslie was transferred to a hospital where he succumbed to his wounds. He died on July 28, 1918, three days after the intense battle. Consequently his body was buried in the adjacent Aisne-Marne cemetery, which is sometimes referred to as Belleau or Chateau Thierry. His name is inscribed on the interior of the chapel. Jerome Darling, often known simply as ‘Grandpa Darling,’ was living in Ogden, Iowa when he was notified of his son’s death. For several weeks he had written letters to Leslie not knowing about his tragic end. After several years with Geneva Darling Hay, and then Lois and Henry Rasmussen, the letters are now in the possession of Gordon and Shirley Heber of South Dakota. In 1969 while on a trip to Europe, Frank and Azalea Davis visited the Chateau Thierry area with their children Ann and Paul. Azalea recalled the scene with hundreds of white crosses stretching across the landscape. “We didn’t find a cross with his name. We walked up one of the paths to a small chapel where those soldiers whose bodies could not be found had their names on a wall.... His name was there,” she said. Azalea continued, “[T]here was no one else there except a man with a wheelbarrow cutting the dead roses off of the hundreds of beautiful bushes.... I.... asked [for] a spray from the ones he was discarding.... I brought [it] back to Mom [Geneva Hay]. She framed it and had it above her kitchen all those years when she lived in town [Lake Preston, South Dakota]. I think I gave it to Marilyn [Geisler] after Mom died.” On Memorial Day in May 2001, American veterans returned for a tour of the area and dedicated a plaque to the men of the Rainbow Division. http://www.sauruspress.com/travel/remembrance/ourq_river.htm http://www.frommers.com/articles/2816.html http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/greatwar/2006-08/1156352864 http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/greatwar/2001-09/0999576077 http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/greatwar/2001-09/0999625790 _________________________________________________________________ Live Earth is coming. Learn more about the hottest summer event - only on MSN. http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthwlm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message