My first cousin twice removed, John SCHNEIDER private in the 1st/4th Bn York and Lancs regt,. was injured in ww1 and hospitalised. He was subsequently killed in action 9/10/1917 his grave/memorial panel is at the Tyne Cot Memorial. In the time he was in the hospital he made a belt with his initials, the initials Y and L (York and Lanc.), 1917, a couple of flags and the initials S.P.H. Would anyone have any idea of what those last initials would stand for? Could it possibly be a convalescent hospital and if so would anyone know the name? Was this a common practice to have soldiers do this type of handy work while they were convalescing? Carol Lylyk Calgary Alberta Canada

On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 08:33:38 +0100, "Peter Gardner" <pgassoc@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >Can anyone offer advice please on the upper age of service of men in the British army in WW1? > >What was the upper age limit for a man to volunteer? > >If serving in the regular army already in 1914, to what age could he be expected to serve? > >Having served earlier in the army pre-1914 , up to what age might he be recalled? Before the war there were upper and lower age limits for enlistment, and upper age limits for discharge. Several factors governed these ages, including type of engagement, rank, trade, and arm or service. For example, the lower age limit of enlistment into the Territorial Force before war broke out was 17 (excluding Boys); the upper age limit for enlistment was 35 (with exceptions for ex-Regulars and certain trades, which could take the limit up to 50); and the upper age limit for discharge was: Sergeants 50 (55 with Bde Comd's permission) Rank and File and trumpeters etc 40 (45 with Bde Comd's permission) Bandsmen and Clerks 55 The enlistment age limits for wartime volunteers was increased as war progressed. An idea can be obtained by looking at the recruiting posters that appeared in The Times ("Your King and Country Need You"), since the ages were usually given. Here are some samples: 7 Aug 1914 Unmarried 19-30 28 Aug 1914 Another 100,000 wanted. Extended to 19-35. Ex-soldiers up to 45. Selected ex-NCOs up to 50 28 Oct 1914 19-38, ex-soldiers up to 45. 4 Jan 1915 19-38 In 1916 conscription applied to men aged 18-41, and in 1918 the upper age limit was extended to 50. As you can see, it's a bit of a complicated subject, with various exceptions to the rule. it is made all the more difficult because so many men lied about their age, with the young ones adding a few years, and the older ones subtracting a few years. Forrest -- Forrest Anderson, Edinburgh, Scotland. E-mail: forrest@military-researcher.com Website: www.military-researcher.com Forrestdale Research - Military Genealogical Researcher

Thanks very much, for the answers they have been most helpful. Gordon, I had a look through the entire book for some type of a guide and looked at pg 779 'Australian Divisions in France and Belgium 1919-1918', saw it only listed the Divisions and the Brigades and who they were commanded by, cussed and wondered why Carlyon didn't go the whole way, flick over the page the same, but didn't look at the bottom of the page. Duhhhhh. Once again thanks everyone. Matt Perth.

Remember that whatever answers you get will be the legal answers. Just as boys of twelve were able to get accepted as eighteen year olds, so the elderly were able to pass themselves off as younger. There were certainly sixty-plus year olds, and I would not be surprised to know that there were seventy-year olds. One such was meant to have come from Brockville, Ontario, and was taken to meet King George when his age was discovered and he was sent home, but I have never found his attestation papers. Peter

Matt, Part of your question nis answered on page 780 of that book. Have you seen it yet? Regards, Gordon Kelly Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Falvey" <mmfalvey@bigpond.net.au> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 11:06 PM Subject: [GREATWAR] Group sizes - Regiments, Battalions, Companies,Platoons etc.... > Thanks > > Matt Falvey > Perth W Australia

Can anyone offer advice please on the upper age of service of men in the British army in WW1? What was the upper age limit for a man to volunteer? If serving in the regular army already in 1914, to what age could he be expected to serve? Having served earlier in the army pre-1914 , up to what age might he be recalled? Any help on this would be appreciated Peter Gardner

Hi Matt, Perhaps this can help: http://www.regiments.org/regiments/nomencla.htm http://www.1914-1918.net/menu_what.htm Janice USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Falvey" <mmfalvey@bigpond.net.au> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 9:06 AM Subject: [GREATWAR] Group sizes - Regiments, Battalions, Companies, Platoons etc > Hi, I can't seem to find anywhere a listing that shows the average > size and types of the various units or groups deployed by the British > and Commonwealth forces in the Great War e.g. Regiments 3,000 men, > Battalions 2,000 etc. Nor for that matter can I find the the > hierarchal composition of the various units. I have never been in > the military so have no idea of these structures. > > Would appreciate some one pointing me to the listings all I really > need is a small not too detailed list. > > I am reading a book at the moment called the Great War by Les Carlyon > and would like an aide de memoire for to comprehend how many men > would be in each area. > > Thanks > > Matt Falvey > Perth W Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I can't seem to find anywhere a listing that shows the average size and types of the various units or groups deployed by the British and Commonwealth forces in the Great War e.g. Regiments 3,000 men, Battalions 2,000 etc. Nor for that matter can I find the the hierarchal composition of the various units. I have never been in the military so have no idea of these structures. Would appreciate some one pointing me to the listings all I really need is a small not too detailed list. I am reading a book at the moment called the Great War by Les Carlyon and would like an aide de memoire for to comprehend how many men would be in each area. Thanks Matt Falvey Perth W Australia

In WW1 the basic fighting unit was made up of Divisions. Each Division had around 20,000 men. As well an ancillary units it had three brigades each of around 3000 men. A Brigade was made up of four Battalions. On the whole the battalions came from a number of different regiments which ranged in size from 4 to over 50 battalions. A battalion was divided into five companies HQ A B C and D and totalled around 850 men although this varied enormously. A Company was about 200 men and was divided into 4 platoons of around 40-50 men each numbered 1 2 3 4 in A coy, 5 6 7 8 in B Coy etc Regiments in the Commonwealth armies are quite unlike those in America or Germany where they equate more to the British Brigade. Apart from the Guards regiments almost all the regiments were county based and raised as many battalions as they were able to contribute to the war effort. In Feb 1918 brigades were reduced to 3 battalions Regards John From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Matt Falvey Sent: 23 June 2007 14:06 To: greatwar@rootsweb.com Subject: [GREATWAR] Group sizes - Regiments, Battalions, Companies,Platoons etc Hi, I can't seem to find anywhere a listing that shows the average size and types of the various units or groups deployed by the British and Commonwealth forces in the Great War e.g. Regiments 3,000 men, Battalions 2,000 etc. Nor for that matter can I find the the hierarchal composition of the various units. I have never been in the military so have no idea of these structures. Would appreciate some one pointing me to the listings all I really need is a small not too detailed list. I am reading a book at the moment called the Great War by Les Carlyon and would like an aide de memoire for to comprehend how many men would be in each area. Thanks Matt Falvey Perth W Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can I please thank everyone who has responded to the two recent questions I posed. Regards Geoff Foster _www.thinblueline.org.uk_ (http://www.thinblueline.org.uk) (nearly there)

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:54:30 EDT, SupportTrench@aol.com wrote: >Thomas John STANFORD > >Born at Croydon on 1st June 1892, he gave his trade as a Transhipper for the >London, Brighton & South Coast Railway Company at Horsham. He had also >served as a Territorial with 4th Battalion Royal Sussex Regiment for 3 years >having been discharged on 20th July 1913... >He left the force on 11th September 1914 and the records of the Friendly >Society show that he was killed in action on 30th June 1916 and that official >notice was received on 11th April 1917. > >There is no trace of his death within the Commonwealth War Graves Commission >internet database nor in the Soldiers Died 1914-1919 database nor does he >receive a mention in the Constabulary Official History or War Memorial. The Medal Index Card database at <http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/browse-refine.asp?CatID=10&searchType=browserefine&pagenumber=1&query=*&queryType=1> lists 19 Thomas Stanfords, only one of whom was in the Royal Sussex Regiment. Fortunately his name is given as Thomas J Stanford, so he looks a good candidate for further investigation: Medal card of Stanford, Thomas J Corps Regiment No Rank Royal Sussex Regiment 762 Serjeant Army Service Corps M/324476 Serjeant I would download his MIC (3.50 GBP) and see what it says. Since you only have one source which says he died, it is possible that the report was wrong, and he survived the war. Many men were reported missing and turned up later - quite a lot of them as prisoners. Forrest -- Forrest Anderson, Edinburgh, Scotland. E-mail: forrest@military-researcher.com Website: www.military-researcher.com Forrestdale Research - Military Genealogical Researcher

Now that I am rebuilding my website I have come across long forgotten research. Can anyone throw any light on the following man? Sue Light found this man for me when she was researching at the West Sussex Country Records Offices. Thomas John STANFORD Born at Croydon on 1st June 1892, he gave his trade as a Transhipper for the London, Brighton & South Coast Railway Company at Horsham. He had also served as a Territorial with 4th Battalion Royal Sussex Regiment for 3 years having been discharged on 20th July 1913. He joined the West Sussex Constabulary on 21st July 1913 aged 21. At the time of joining he was described as being single, 5’ 9 1/4” tall, with a fair complexion, brown eyes, brown hair and of proportionate build. His service record shows that he was posted on 29th July to Littlehampton. His nominee for the Friendly Society was his mother Sarah Stanford of 27 North Parade, Horsham. In a letter dated 7th September 1914 to Mr A. S. Williams, Chief Constable, Thomas wrote: Sir, I respectfully beg to ask your permission to volunteer for service in Lord Kitcheners’ army. I have served 3 years in the 4th Battalion Royal Sussex Regiment and consider it my duty to serve my country in the present crisis, trusting this will meet with your consideration. I am Sir, Your Obedient Servant Thomas John Stanford PC169 He left the force on 11th September 1914 and the records of the Friendly Society show that he was killed in action on 30th June 1916 and that official notice was received on 11th April 1917. There is no trace of his death within the Commonwealth War Graves Commission internet database nor in the Soldiers Died 1914-1919 database nor does he receive a mention in the Constabulary Official History or War Memorial. Regards Geoff Foster _www.thinblueline.org.uk_ (http://www.thinblueline.org.uk) (nearly there)

Hi Michael, Looking at the three photos you have posted I don't think you are doing anything wrong in your scanning technique. I'm afraid there is some "sales" induced techno-babble used by scanner manufacturers. Virtually all of them claim some sort of incredible resolution ability for their scanners, but if you read the small print you will probably find the word "interpolated" associated with this resolution. What you should look for is the "Optical Resolution" specification. This tells you the true resolution capability of the scanner. Anything finer (larger number) that this is a software resampling process and is WHOLY based on the optical resolution scan. (The blurring you refer to was probably the result of excessive resampling and resulted from a mathematical attempt to create 8, 16 or even 32 pixels out of only four originals.) I find myself at a loss to explain any deeper than this without getting into a lot of boring detail - which in itself borders on techno-babble - so the key thing to remember is that the detail in the scan is set by the optical resolution and any further software resampling adds no further detail it just makes the picture appear smoother (sometimes.) Most of the regular consumer grade photographic stock of Gt, War era was rather coarse grain and so didn't carry detail particularly well. At least one of your pictures, #2, shows a coarse grain - compare it, for instance, with #3 which is surprisingly crisp and clear for the era. On the other hand photo #1 is almost certainly a professional studio shot and has, I believe, been artificially "softened" to make the subject more "handsome." Unfortunately, softening also looses detail. OK, so I know this is all irrelevant to the main thrust of your enquiry but I see a number of people scanning and posting photographs with requests for help, particularly on this list, and I thought a little demystification might help both the posters, and the "critics" who are crying for more and better detail, to understand what is possible and what is not, when scanning. Perhaps I should just add one note on post scan processing. It is sometimes possible to "enhance" photographs from this period to minimize the effects of the coarse grain photographic stock, remove some of the effects of aging (the sepia), change the photographic values to make them appear more like what we are used to today and to repair the sort of damage seen in photo #3, but don't be misled into believing that any of this is going to put back detail which wasn't in the original. The grain of the film and the optical resolution of the scanner absolutely define the available detail. Malcolm Archive CD Books Canada Inc. President: Malcolm Moody PO Box 11 Manotick Ontario, K4M 1A2 Canada. (613) 692-2667 WEB SITE: http://www.ArchiveCDBooks.ca > Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:14:24 +0100 > From: Michael A Lonsdale <mail@michaellonsdale.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] 3 photos of soldiers > To: greatwar@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4672D700.2060606@michaellonsdale.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > My Thanks to everybody who replied to my posting. I'll get round to > thank you all personally later. > > More or less everybody has asked for a higher resolution scan. > > I scanned the originals at 1200 dpi and that is what I put on line > although I did resize them from 941x1543 to 297x480. > > As requested I rescanned the badge area and the highest I could do it > was 12800dpi but they come out blurred. I'm obviously doing something > wrong. > > I've re scanned them at 4800dpi and all picture are online in their > original size. The cap bage is also in its original size and a reduced > size of approx 1024 x 581 > > Tried the buttons and they were worse than the badges. >

Hi Mick, I make no promises but am at least willing to have a look. You can send image as jpeg and please scan at as large resolution as possible. If there are items like a hat or cap badge, shoulder titles etc again could you make a separate scan of these again at as large resolution as possible. Regard Peter Fellowes ----- Original Message ----- From: <Csgen50@aol.com> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 12:05 PM Subject: [GREATWAR] Unidentified soldier. > Hello everyone, > I have just been given a photo of who is believed to be my wifes ggf. > Unfortunately there are no inscriptions on it whatsoever. > His name was Arthur Loveridge and was believed to have joined the army, > was > not at home for the 1901 census, possibly serving overseas, and was > killed at > Ypres in 1915 whilst serving with the Bedfordshire Regiment. His memorial > inscription is on The Menin Gate. > I am hoping that some knowledgable person might be able to at least > identfy > the uniform, possibly pre-1914, and rank or recognize any other relavent > features. I have it scanned as a jpeg ready to send to any obliging > person. > Regards Mick. (hot and sunny S.France) > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I will be glad to look at it, I have several books on WW1, and I will put it with some others I have in case it comes up in another area. deilah evans ----- Original Message ----- From: <Csgen50@aol.com> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 7:05 AM Subject: [GREATWAR] Unidentified soldier. | Hello everyone, | I have just been given a photo of who is believed to be my wifes ggf. | Unfortunately there are no inscriptions on it whatsoever. | His name was Arthur Loveridge and was believed to have joined the army, was | not at home for the 1901 census, possibly serving overseas, and was killed at | Ypres in 1915 whilst serving with the Bedfordshire Regiment. His memorial | inscription is on The Menin Gate. | I am hoping that some knowledgable person might be able to at least identfy | the uniform, possibly pre-1914, and rank or recognize any other relavent | features. I have it scanned as a jpeg ready to send to any obliging person. | Regards Mick. (hot and sunny S.France) | | | | | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message |

Hello everyone, I have just been given a photo of who is believed to be my wifes ggf. Unfortunately there are no inscriptions on it whatsoever. His name was Arthur Loveridge and was believed to have joined the army, was not at home for the 1901 census, possibly serving overseas, and was killed at Ypres in 1915 whilst serving with the Bedfordshire Regiment. His memorial inscription is on The Menin Gate. I am hoping that some knowledgable person might be able to at least identfy the uniform, possibly pre-1914, and rank or recognize any other relavent features. I have it scanned as a jpeg ready to send to any obliging person. Regards Mick. (hot and sunny S.France)

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:03:47 +0100, Michael A Lonsdale <mail@michaellonsdale.co.uk> wrote: >Over the weekend we had a sort through my brother-in-law's late father's >effects and found these three badges. >Obviously one is the Machine Gun Corps and the other two The Kings >Regiment, but neither of the soldiers in Photos 1 and 2 appear to be in >the Kings Regiment. >A few people have said that photo 3 is the MGC... I don't think that there can be any doubt that the cap badge worn by the chap in Photo No 3 is that of the Machine Gun Corps. The design of crossed machine guns surmounted by a crown means that it is a very distinctive badge - so much so that Tom and Peter identified it from the low-resolution photo. Since you have helpfully provided a high-resolution version, you will clearly see that it matches up *very* nicely with the sample at http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270132354219 >but he is wearing the >wrong things i.e. spurs. I mentioned this to my B-in-L and he tells me >that family history says that Thomas was on horse back when he was >killed. Three men on horse back went over the brow of a hill, Thomas was >in the middle. He was hit by a shell that took him out, but the other >two were untouched . Some thoughts... The cap badge in Photo No 3 tells us that the wearer was a member of the Machine Gun Corps. Thomas was a Corporal in the MGC when his DCM was Gazetted, and is recorded as being a Sergeant in the MGC by the CWGC, yet the man in the photo appears to be a Private. The man in the photo therefore might not be Thomas at all. Perhaps it was a photo of Thomas's best friend, who gave him the photo as a keepsake. Or perhaps it is of one of his brothers, who may also have served in the MGC. As regards spurs, they might well indicate that the person in Photo No 3 (whoever it is) rode a horse, but as Tom has said, they also might be just a prop - something to impress wives and girlfriends back home, just like canes which also regularly feature in studio photos of soldiers. Even if the spurs are real, that doesn't stop debar him from being in the MGC, which was divided into several branches. Although the largest was the MGC (Infantry), there was also the MGC (Cavalry) - see http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=320541 which is an entry for a LCpl in the MGC (Cavalry). Like the Labour Corps, the MGC was a wartime creation, and a very large number of its members were transferred in from other regiments and corps. It is therefore likely that a member of the MGC had previously served with another regiment/corps. Soldiers Died in the Great War gives the following information about Thomas, and confirms that he previously served with the King's (Liverpool Regiment): 57929 Sergt. Thomas BALDWIN, Machine Gun Corps (Infantry). Killed in Action 18/10/1918 in France & Flanders. Born in Burscough, Lancs; Enlisted at Scaforth; Resided at Burscough. Additional Text: FORMERLY 41587, LIVERPOOL REGT. D.C.M. The Liverpool Regiment badges in your collection may therefore belong to Thomas, rather than his brothers. Note that the SDIGW entry states that Thomas was in the MGC (Infantry). The MGC badge in the collection looks as though it has been modified by the later addition of an enamelled scroll. The MGC badge was generally secured to the cap by means of a vertical post at the back, but this badge has no post. Instead, it looks as though it has a horizontal pin (like a safety pin), so I reckon the cap badge had been converted to a brooch, perhaps as a "sweetheart brooch", or maybe something to wear on civilian clothes to reunions. In summary, Photo No 3 is of a Private in the MGC. The spurs may be a prop, or the wearer may have been in the MGC (Cavalry). It may well be that this is not Thomas. You really need to find his Service Record, which should answer many of your questions. You seem to be in the UK, so you could perhaps go to the National Archives Kew to search through the microfilms of the Burnt and Unburnt Documents. If you can't do that, then you could ask a friend or hire a researcher to check for you, or order the microfilms through the LDS. Recently Ancestry has started to make some WW1 Service Records available on-line, and although they have only done surnames A and B of the Unburnt Documents, Baldwin falls nicely into that category. The index is at <http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=List&dbid=1114&ti=5538&r=5538&o_xid=30351&o_lid=30351&o_xt=26845&offerid=0%3a7935%3a0> and if you do a search for... Birth Parish = Burscough ...you will get just one record - a certain Thomas Baldwin! Although his estimated year of birth is 1895 rather than 1890, this shouldn't dissuade you from downloading the images to see what you can find out about this chap who has the same name and same place of birth as your relative. Forrest -- Forrest Anderson, Edinburgh, Scotland. E-mail: forrest@military-researcher.com Website: www.military-researcher.com Forrestdale Research - Military Genealogical Researcher

Hi again Michael, I consider perhaps that you only show one cap badge, the centre one is a shoulder/epaulette title, the other maybe a Sweetheart Broach. You are displaying left to right - A]. "The Kings (Liverpool Regiment)" pre 1926 issue. B]. Next is their epaulette insignia. C]. The Machine Gun Corps I cannot date, the ones I have do not have the wording underneath like yours, nor the horizontal pin fastener, mine are vertical bar fasteners as A].. As the pictures seemingly not of the same scale they do not seem to match size wise if the MGC badge is much smaller it could be a Sweetheart broach or perhaps is one of a pair of collar dogs. Try looking on http://www.arbeia.demon.co.uk/srs/collect/badges/corps/desc_c.htm# Alan ... Alan T... {East Midlands UK} Please visit our family genealogy site:- http://www.forefathers.homestead.com/

Again many thanks to all those who have replied. Over the weekend we had a sort through my brother-in-law's late father's effects and found these three badges. Obviously one is the Machine Gun Corps and the other two The Kings Regiment, but neither of the soldiers in Photos 1 and 2 appear to be in the Kings Regiment. A few people have said that photo 3 is the MGC but he is wearing the wrong things i.e. spurs. I mentioned this to my B-in-L and he tells me that family history says that Thomas was on horse back when he was killed. Three men on horse back went over the brow of a hill, Thomas was in the middle. He was hit by a shell that took him out, but the other two were untouched . My B-in-L's father Nathan was born in 1907 but his brothers where born John 1881, Robert March 1886 Thomas December 1890 Abel March 1898 James 1904 Nathan 1907 Pictures can be found at http://www.mylancashireroots.co.uk/3_capbadges.htm Thanks again Michael

Good morning, Re AWOL men. The use of the term, men, by Tom in his reply to the specific question from Geoff Foster, " Does anyone know of a case where a deserter in the UK was returned to the Western Front?" seems to refer only to men who deserted, not officers. Since some officers also undoubtedly deserted as well, was the protocol used for anybody who went AWOL the same regardless of their rank.? Tom continues, " I regularly see Police reports in AWOL men's service records - often making not entirely relevant comments about things like local gossip about his wife or the woman he had been living with ! - A common theme - .... " Does Tom know what the common theme was in the case of officers who went AWOL ? As to the matter of execution, we all know that the fate of anybody found guilty of desertion was very much influenced by their rank Have a nice day ? Patrick Holland. Perth Western Australia Tom Tulloch-Marshall wrote: > Geoff - the return of AWOL men to France was the norm; normally escorted by > the MP to the point of embarkation and then handed over to Draft Conducting > Officers. As I understand it such men were escorted direct to their unit and > not sent via Base Depots. > > Various clauses of King's Regulations 1912 are relevant, but particularly > 503 (notification in Regimental Orders), 514 & 515 (reports to Civil > Police), 536 (escorts / removal orders), 1504 (embarkation returns) ... etc. > > It was the Civil Police who normally made enquiries about an AWOL man and > then carried out an arrest if he was found - then handing him over to the > Military. I regularly see Police reports in AWOL men's service records - > often making not entirely relevant comments about things like local gossip > about his wife or the woman he had been living with ! - A common theme - but > if they couldn't just report that they'd caught the man I suppose they felt > obliged to say something. > > The vast majority of men who went AWOL did so in the UK, mainly (probably) > because it seems to have been relatively difficult to get back here from > France without the necessary paperwork ............... not impossible > though - for example 4/9170 George Hunter of the 2nd DLI managed it, though > subsequently caught and returned to his unit, he was executed 2/7/16. > regards > - > Tom Tulloch-Marshall > WW1 Military Research > website > > http://www.btinternet.com/~prosearch/index.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >