Derrick 1 & 2 - War memorials were the responsibility of local committees and were not nationally co-ordinated. These local committees were responsible for collecting the names and as a result one can point to omissions, duplications and errors. See this link for more information on this subject. http://www.ukniwm.org.uk/server/show/ConWebDoc.22/viewPage/8 3 The policy from mid-1915 was not to return the bodies to the UK. Prior to this date some 30-40 bodies were repatriated but because of the cost involved I understand they were all officers. If you are referring to the three men buried in Stoke Climsland Churchyard none fall in to this category. Of the two WW1 men both seem to have had family links to Cornwall - e-mail me if you want more details. The qualification for CWGC commemoration was - that the death of the individual was between 04/08/1914 and 31/08/1921. - that the individual was serving in the one of the services at the time of their death - or that the individual had been discharged due to illness/wounds which the authorities were satisfied had been the cause of their death. Though civilian deaths were not recorded during WW1 some civilian units did qualify. 4 With regard to death certificates:- - those issued during the war and to be found in the overseas military indexes do not usually detail cause or place of death. Instead they provide only broad details e.g., Died of Wounds, Killed in Action - France & Flanders - in the case of men died of wounds at home - and recorded in the civilian indexes - the details are fuller. A surviving service record might detail the cause of death. However only some 30-40% of British service records have survived and even those which did can be fragmentary. Hope this helps Mike Shingleton > Please bear with me while I pose some basic questions about WW1 memorials. > Maybe someone can shed some light on them? > 1. Who decided whose name was mentioned on the memorials? I'm > researching names on the memorial in Stoke Climsland (Cornwall) and am > puzzled by the inclusion of names with no apparent connection with the > parish. > 2. I'm also puzzled by the fact that there are two 'official' WW1 > headstones in the graveyard but no mentions on the War Memorial. > 3. There are a few soldiers buried in the graveyard, alongside other > family members. Can I assume that their bodies were shipped back to the UK > for burial or perhaps that they died of wounds in the UK? > 4. I have a couple who died in 1919, presumably of wounds from the war. > Would I find more details of their wounds etc, if I got their death > certificates? > Any information would be gratefully received. > Derrick Parsons > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear listers, Please bear with me while I pose some basic questions about WW1 memorials. Maybe someone can shed some light on them? 1. Who decided whose name was mentioned on the memorials? I'm researching names on the memorial in Stoke Climsland (Cornwall) and am puzzled by the inclusion of names with no apparent connection with the parish. 2. I'm also puzzled by the fact that there are two 'official' WW1 headstones in the graveyard but no mentions on the War Memorial. 3. There are a few soldiers buried in the graveyard, alongside other family members. Can I assume that their bodies were shipped back to the UK for burial or perhaps that they died of wounds in the UK? 4. I have a couple who died in 1919, presumably of wounds from the war. Would I find more details of their wounds etc, if I got their death certificates? Any information would be gratefully received. Derrick Parsons

You will probably get many replies to this, but from my research in Kingston, Ontario: There was no record kept of who enlisted, nor who died from the city. When the Council started its memorial, they simply collected all the names from other institutions' memorials. There is no home address on enlistment papers in the early part of the war, so it is impossible to now know who lived in Kingston. (Next of kin addresses are asked for) Who should qualify to be on a memorial. If you were born there, but moved away many years ago? If you worked there, but lived somewhere else? If your parents lived there, but you enlisted before they moved there? If ... When the lists were put together was sometimes six+ years after the death. Widows had no means of support had to remarry and may well have moved away. Parents may have moved on. Who would remember one person. So, you are right, local memorials are very inaccurate - not only with names, but with spellings and ranks, though I have never found a decoration error! I speak from experience. My father is omitted from the Sanderstead, Surrey WW2 memorial, presumably because we had moved away when the names were added. Best wishes with your research, Peter, Kingston, Ontario

I rather think that this or similar queries have been raised in the past but here goes. This is with regard to the interpretation of the various figures, letters and abbreviations which appear under 'Action taken' which I believe refer to the various procedures followed by the medal office . This is a Design 2 card in the TNA reference notes and I have also looked at the common abbreviations for which they give examples. Help, anyone? Regards Peter Gardner

I wonder if anyone can understand the reason the firm I bought a copy of my father's medal card would write "5a (Asia) = Hejaz" on the back? The Hejaz or Hijaz is a long way from Mesopotamia, where I believed he served. He was with 'S' Battery Royal Horse Artillery attached to 6 Indian Cavalry Brigade. He did mention that his unit was involved with T E Lawrence, but I later assumed that this was because Lawrence had visited Mesopotamia. His medal card notes his date of entry into the theatre of war as 23-2-15, is it possible that some of the British forces arrived in the Hejaz? Thanks, John Guy

Good evening, Here is a web site for the benefit of members of this list who have an interest in naval history of both WW1 and WW2.. http://www.naval-history.net/ * NAVAL-HISTORY.NET * * '.... excellent source for naval history ..... First and Second World Wars, campaign summaries and more. ** Imperial War Museum, London Regards. Patrick Holland Perth Western Australia. * * * * * * * * *

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:41:25 +0100, Jane Greenfield <jane.greenfield@care4free.net> wrote: >I have found the medal card for my ancestor but it has no mention of the >medals he was awarded. It's always good to give a soldier's regimental details in a post like this. Could you give us his name, number and regiment? >He was discharged "sick" and the reference was "List PP/993" He will have been awarded a Silver War Badge, which was a small circular silver badge with a serial number on the back, which looked like this: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=120132231656 The document which recorded the issue of the badge was called the SWB List or Roll. It contained the soldier's regimental details, the serial number of the badge, dates of enlistment and discharge, general cause of discharge, and sometimes his age and other details. Sometimes some of these details appear on the Medal Index Card, and in other cases they do not. In the following photo, the badge is sitting on the relevant SWB List: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320132645652 In your case, the reference number of the SWB List is PP/993. You can see the List at the National Archives at Kew. >Am I right in thinking this was something to do with a pension? There is an indirect link. The usual reason for the issue of a SWB was that the soldier had been medically discharged due to sickness or wounds, and soldiers who were medically discharged often applied for a pension. >How do I find out which medals he would have received and whether he did >actually receive them? If no campaign medals are listed on the Medal Index Card, then he may never have served abroad. If you have a look at the guide to MICs and then look at "Medal Card Design 3" you'll see that it says: ------------ The third most common design of MIC is one that was used for those individuals who received the "Silver War Badge" (SWB) only. This card, whilst retaining all of the data about an individual also gives the date of enlistment, date of discharge and reason for discharge. The MIC will also give the SWB roll reference. An example is shown below: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/dol/popups/medal-design-3.htm ------------ Alternatively, there may be another MIC in existence for him which gives details of his campaign medals. Forrest -- Forrest Anderson, Edinburgh, Scotland. E-mail: forrest@military-researcher.com Website: www.military-researcher.com Forrestdale Research - Military Genealogical Researcher

My thanks to all those who respondedto my queries on this topic and particularly to Forrest for his detailed response as below. Regards to all Peter Gardner > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 02:37:24 +0100 > From: Forrest Anderson <listmail@military-researcher.com> > Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Age of service > To: GREATWAR-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <ghn083p50ettkohkeeb1ck0g8m1772oib7@4ax.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 08:33:38 +0100, "Peter Gardner" > <pgassoc@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > >>Can anyone offer advice please on the upper age of service of men in the >>British army in WW1? >> >>What was the upper age limit for a man to volunteer? >> >>If serving in the regular army already in 1914, to what age could he be >>expected to serve? >> >>Having served earlier in the army pre-1914 , up to what age might he be >>recalled? > > Before the war there were upper and lower age limits for enlistment, > and upper age limits for discharge. Several factors governed these > ages, including type of engagement, rank, trade, and arm or service. > > For example, the lower age limit of enlistment into the Territorial > Force before war broke out was 17 (excluding Boys); the upper age > limit for enlistment was 35 (with exceptions for ex-Regulars and > certain trades, which could take the limit up to 50); and the upper > age limit for discharge was: > > Sergeants 50 (55 with Bde Comd's permission) > Rank and File and trumpeters etc 40 (45 with Bde Comd's permission) > Bandsmen and Clerks 55 > > The enlistment age limits for wartime volunteers was increased as war > progressed. An idea can be obtained by looking at the recruiting > posters that appeared in The Times ("Your King and Country Need You"), > since the ages were usually given. Here are some samples: > > 7 Aug 1914 Unmarried 19-30 > > 28 Aug 1914 Another 100,000 wanted. Extended to 19-35. > Ex-soldiers up to 45. Selected ex-NCOs up to 50 > > 28 Oct 1914 19-38, ex-soldiers up to 45. > > 4 Jan 1915 19-38 > > In 1916 conscription applied to men aged 18-41, and in 1918 the upper > age limit was extended to 50. > > As you can see, it's a bit of a complicated subject, with various > exceptions to the rule. it is made all the more difficult because so > many men lied about their age, with the young ones adding a few years, > and the older ones subtracting a few years. > > Forrest > > > -- > Forrest Anderson, Edinburgh, Scotland. > E-mail: forrest@military-researcher.com > Website: www.military-researcher.com > Forrestdale Research - Military Genealogical Researcher > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the GREATWAR list administrator, send an email to > GREATWAR-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the GREATWAR mailing list, send an email to > GREATWAR@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of GREATWAR Digest, Vol 2, Issue 118 > **************************************** >

I have found the medal card for my ancestor but it has no mention of the medals he was awarded. He was discharged "sick" and the reference was "List PP/993" Am I right in thinking this was something to do with a pension? How do I find out which medals he would have received and whether he did actually receive them? Thanks for any help anyone can give. Jane

Greeting all, I am looking into a Canadian soldier, 252905 William Killham, born and bred in Hull and emigrated to Canada worked as a farmer and later then enlisted in the CEF. William survived the war however on the front of his attestation papers [Canadian Overseas Expeditionary Force] it states: 'Discharged on 9/3/18 in accordance with [unreadable] dated 31/10/1917 having been placed in Category C III as a result of wounds' This is signed: '[Unreadable] Lt OC No 2 Casualty Unit.' My questions to the group are: 1] May I assume that Canadian and British forces had different medical categories?. My understanding of [British] categories is: C = Fit for home service only and C III = On sedentary works as clerks, storeman, batman cooks etc. But William as [Canadian] C III is discharged. 2] Is there was a difference between British and Canadian medical categories what were the differences. 3] I know its a very long shot but anyone hazard a guess as to what "Unreadable dated 31/10/1917" might be. I know there was ACI 1606 of 17 October 1917 that recalculated some of the [British] medical categories. Regards to all, Peter Fellowes

Greetings, May I offer some thoughts for consideration? Consider the fact that many people had never ventured further than the next villiage or town. It was an era of pride in King and Country/Queen and Country, to which perhaps you may need to add that the 'class' structure was alive and well, perhaps to support the idea or to hasten its demise. 'To do ones duty', or to 'see the world' and with promises of being home by Christmas, war was not reported in all its horror that came later. Allow goodly intentioned ladies who gave white feathers, depicting 'cowards', to apparant healthy citizens. Perhaps the good wife and kids at home were incentives to get away or to get swept up in the passion of the moment. Either way, they were our grandparents/ancestors, we should respect and honour these who made us what we are today. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Taylor" <alan.taylor-howe@ntlworld.com> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 5:35 AM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Age of service > Hello John, > My great grandfather was also KIA 16th June 1916 aged 41 with 13 children > at > home, the youngest being twins born 1913. He left one of the higher paid > jobs in > the area as a steelworker to answer the call to arms. I often wondered > why, was > great gran such a bad wife or what, my grandmother and my uncle and aunt's > opinions was that she was a very understanding soul ! > > Alan ... > > Alan Taylor... {East Midlands UK} > Please visit our family genealogy site:- > http://www.forefathers.homestead.com/ > > > This was an interesting question and certainly one that I have wondered > about. > My grandfather was killed 21st June 1915 aged 41, whilst in Suffolk > Regt he had as far as I am aware no previous military service. > What made it even harder to understand was that he was the father of 10 > children, the youngest just a few months old. > I guess it is hard to understand the motivation from those times. > Regards > John Taylor > QLD > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Part of the reason for Sam Hughes ignoring the Militia, and creating a new Expeditionary Force, was that the Militia was a very social club. The upper age for enlisting may have been 60, but many senior members were well over that age. The Colonel of the County Militia could only, and just, ride a horse in a parade. The Canadian Army would have been most interesting if all the Militia had been included.

This was an interesting question and certainly one that I have wondered about. My grandfather was killed 21st June 1915 aged 41, whilst in Suffolk Regt he had as far as I am aware no previous military service. What made it even harder to understand was that he was the father of 10 children, the youngest just a few months old. I guess it is hard to understand the motivation from those times. Regards John Taylor QLD -----Original Message----- From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gower Sent: Monday, 25 June 2007 3:35 AM To: greatwar@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Age of service Remember that whatever answers you get will be the legal answers. Just as boys of twelve were able to get accepted as eighteen year olds, so the elderly were able to pass themselves off as younger. There were certainly sixty-plus year olds, and I would not be surprised to know that there were seventy-year olds. One such was meant to have come from Brockville, Ontario, and was taken to meet King George when his age was discovered and he was sent home, but I have never found his attestation papers. Peter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello John, My great grandfather was also KIA 16th June 1916 aged 41 with 13 children at home, the youngest being twins born 1913. He left one of the higher paid jobs in the area as a steelworker to answer the call to arms. I often wondered why, was great gran such a bad wife or what, my grandmother and my uncle and aunt's opinions was that she was a very understanding soul ! Alan ... Alan Taylor... {East Midlands UK} Please visit our family genealogy site:- http://www.forefathers.homestead.com/ This was an interesting question and certainly one that I have wondered about. My grandfather was killed 21st June 1915 aged 41, whilst in Suffolk Regt he had as far as I am aware no previous military service. What made it even harder to understand was that he was the father of 10 children, the youngest just a few months old. I guess it is hard to understand the motivation from those times. Regards John Taylor QLD

One of my family emigrated to Canada from England in 1884 at the age of 20 and settled in Toronto, where he married six years later. On 21 Jul 1915 at the age of 51 he enlisted into Canadian Infantry (Quebec Regt.) Royal Highlanders of Canada falsifying his age as 43 During a visit to the Canadian War Museum I asked a question about the maximum enlistment age. This is part of their reply. David "We have been looking into your question on the upper age limit for enlisting in WWI and have found the following text in The Military Service Act, 1917. "Although the upper limit had previously been 60 in the Revised Statutes of Canada, 1906 of the Militia Act, it appears as though it was revised and lowered to 45 for The Military Service Act, 1917".

Hi Alan, My grandfather also joined up in 1914. He had previously served with the Irish Guards and went to France/Belgium as an Irish Guard. He was 30 and left 2 motherless children in the care of friends in order to go. I often wondered why too. >From what I've read fiction and non fiction, it was supposed to be a war that would be easily over by Christmas of that same year and without the terrible losses that occurred. My mother told us the few stories her father had told her about that war and the conditions in which they fought. He was honourably discharged in early 1915 as medically unfit to fight and the rest of his life suffered from the illness he contracted there. He was 47 when he died of that illness. There's a very good series, in my opinion, by Charles Todd written about (fiction) the effects of the war on men who survived it and the general disallusion amongst them regarding their time fighting in that war and the aftermath at least in England. Certainly the stories reminded me of what my Grandfather had revealed of his experience. Eleanor, B. C. Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Taylor" <alan.taylor-howe@ntlworld.com> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 2:35 AM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Age of service Hello John, My great grandfather was also KIA 16th June 1916 aged 41 with 13 children at home, the youngest being twins born 1913. He left one of the higher paid jobs in the area as a steelworker to answer the call to arms. I often wondered why, was great gran such a bad wife or what, my grandmother and my uncle and aunt's opinions was that she was a very understanding soul ! Alan ... Alan Taylor... {East Midlands UK} Please visit our family genealogy site:- http://www.forefathers.homestead.com/ This was an interesting question and certainly one that I have wondered about. My grandfather was killed 21st June 1915 aged 41, whilst in Suffolk Regt he had as far as I am aware no previous military service. What made it even harder to understand was that he was the father of 10 children, the youngest just a few months old. I guess it is hard to understand the motivation from those times. Regards John Taylor QLD ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.10/873 - Release Date: 6/26/2007 11:54 PM

On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:48:39 +0100, "Peter Appleton" <peter.appleton3@ntlworld.com> wrote: >I've always assumed that my grandfather was a bandsman in the 4th Yorks (in >a photo dateable to 1918 he is wearing a bandsman's badge). But in a photo >dated to 1913, shortly after he attested into the Territorial Force, he is >wearing a badge that comprises crossed fanfare trumpets, bell-ends uppermost >and intertwined in an Irish harp all surmounted by a crown. The crossed trumpets, harp and crown badge is the badge for a Bandsman which was introduced in the 1870s. The Bandsman's badge was revised to the better-known lyre, wreath and crown badge in the late 1880s to early 1890s. However the original badge lived on for a while, and some units were still wearing it at the outbreak of the war. The badge for Trumpeter was different, and was either the more common plain crossed trumpets (with bells up or down), or the rarer crossed trumpets (bells up) with a vertical laurel leaf through the middle. Your photos therefore both depict the badge for Bandsman, and his unit no doubt converted from the old badge to the new badge during the war. Photo of the later Bandsman's badge is at http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=260132849897 Photo of the more common Trumpeter's badge is at http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=120133071576 I can't immediately find a photo on the Internet of the early Bandsman's badge, but I can scan one from a book and e-mail it to you if you wish. Forrest -- Forrest Anderson, Edinburgh, Scotland. E-mail: forrest@military-researcher.com Website: www.military-researcher.com Forrestdale Research - Military Genealogical Researcher

Hi Carol, Possibly St Pol Hospital just west of Arras ? See http://chorleypalsmemorial.org.uk/gravesandmap.htm for some more details. Good luck. Regards, Gordon Kelly Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Lylyk" <clylyk@telus.net> To: <GREATWAR@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 12:01 AM Subject: [GREATWAR] John SCHNEIDER > > In the time he was in the hospital he made a belt with his initials, the > initials Y and L (York and Lanc.), 1917, a couple of flags and the > initials > S.P.H. > > Would anyone have any idea of what those last initials would stand for? > Could > it possibly be a convalescent hospital and if so would anyone know the > name? > Was this a common practice to have soldiers do this type of handy work > while > they were convalescing? > > Carol Lylyk > Calgary Alberta > Canada >

In a recent reply to a post under the subject of "Age of service" Forrest Anderson, quoting from various sources, seemed to imply that trumpeters were different from bandsmen. "... the upper age limit for discharge was: Sergeants 50 (55 with Bde Comd's permission) Rank and File and trumpeters etc 40 (45 with Bde Comd's permission) Bandsmen and Clerks 55..." Could Forrest, or anyone else, please enlighten me as to the difference (official or otherwise) between a trumpeter and a bandsman. I've always assumed that my grandfather was a bandsman in the 4th Yorks (in a photo dateable to 1918 he is wearing a bandsman's badge). But in a photo dated to 1913, shortly after he attested into the Territorial Force, he is wearing a badge that comprises crossed fanfare trumpets, bell-ends uppermost and intertwined in an Irish harp all surmounted by a crown. I'd welcome some enlightenment. regards, Peter Appleton My Family Tree website: http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/pappleton3 -----Original Message----- From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of greatwar-request@rootsweb.com Sent: 26 June 2007 08:23 To: greatwar@rootsweb.com Subject: GREATWAR Digest, Vol 2, Issue 118 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Age of service (Forrest Anderson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 02:37:24 +0100 From: Forrest Anderson <listmail@military-researcher.com> Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Age of service To: GREATWAR-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <ghn083p50ettkohkeeb1ck0g8m1772oib7@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 08:33:38 +0100, "Peter Gardner" <pgassoc@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >Can anyone offer advice please on the upper age of service of men in the British army in WW1? > >What was the upper age limit for a man to volunteer? > >If serving in the regular army already in 1914, to what age could he be expected to serve? > >Having served earlier in the army pre-1914 , up to what age might he be recalled? Before the war there were upper and lower age limits for enlistment, and upper age limits for discharge. Several factors governed these ages, including type of engagement, rank, trade, and arm or service. For example, the lower age limit of enlistment into the Territorial Force before war broke out was 17 (excluding Boys); the upper age limit for enlistment was 35 (with exceptions for ex-Regulars and certain trades, which could take the limit up to 50); and the upper age limit for discharge was: Sergeants 50 (55 with Bde Comd's permission) Rank and File and trumpeters etc 40 (45 with Bde Comd's permission) Bandsmen and Clerks 55 The enlistment age limits for wartime volunteers was increased as war progressed. An idea can be obtained by looking at the recruiting posters that appeared in The Times ("Your King and Country Need You"), since the ages were usually given. Here are some samples: 7 Aug 1914 Unmarried 19-30 28 Aug 1914 Another 100,000 wanted. Extended to 19-35. Ex-soldiers up to 45. Selected ex-NCOs up to 50 28 Oct 1914 19-38, ex-soldiers up to 45. 4 Jan 1915 19-38 In 1916 conscription applied to men aged 18-41, and in 1918 the upper age limit was extended to 50. As you can see, it's a bit of a complicated subject, with various exceptions to the rule. it is made all the more difficult because so many men lied about their age, with the young ones adding a few years, and the older ones subtracting a few years. Forrest -- Forrest Anderson, Edinburgh, Scotland. E-mail: forrest@military-researcher.com Website: www.military-researcher.com Forrestdale Research - Military Genealogical Researcher ------------------------------ To contact the GREATWAR list administrator, send an email to GREATWAR-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the GREATWAR mailing list, send an email to GREATWAR@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of GREATWAR Digest, Vol 2, Issue 118 ****************************************

Thank you Gordon. I will pass this onto my cousin who is a great nephew of John Schneider. Carol Lylyk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Kelly" <gorkell@optusnet.com.au> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] John SCHNEIDER | Hi Carol, | | Possibly St Pol Hospital just west of Arras ? | See http://chorleypalsmemorial.org.uk/gravesandmap.htm for some more | details. | Good luck. | | Regards, | Gordon Kelly | Sydney | |