Lindsay Soldiers Died in the Great War - first published in 1921 as an 81 volume set it lists 675,000 British soldiers and officers who died in the Great War. Its now available on CD (at a little over £330). You can also do pay per view lookups at a number of sites including findmypast and military-geneology. Regards Mike Shingleton -----Original Message----- From: Lindsay Graham <LDGraham@aapt.net.au> Sent Subject: [GREATWAR] Request for SDITGW look up > Pray tell, what is the SDITGW? > Lindsay Graham > Canberra, Australia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barry" <bmurray@austarnet.com.au> > To: "Great War List" <GREATWAR-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 10:19 PM > Subject: [GREATWAR] Request for SDITGW look up >> Greetings to all, >> I'm presently researching some of my ancestors who served in the British >> army during WW1. One, who was killed during the war Was Francis Grundy. >> I've looked him up on CWGC, and am wondering if someone who has the SDITGW >> would mind looking him up for me. CWGC has the following info: > <snip> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Barry >From SDGW Loyal North Lancashire Regiment 8th Battalion Private Francis Grundy, 18012 Born Farnworth Enlisted Farnworth Killed in Action 10/07/1916 France & Flanders IIRC correctly 8th Loyal North Lancashire Regiment were involved in fighting at Ovillers on the day your ancestor was killed. Other listers may have more information Regards Mike Shingleton -----Original Message----- From: Barry <bmurray@austarnet.com.au> Sent Subject: [GREATWAR] Request for SDITGW look up > Greetings to all, > I'm presently researching some of my ancestors who served in the British > army during WW1. One, who was killed during the war Was Francis Grundy. > I've looked him up on CWGC, and am wondering if someone who has the SDITGW > would mind looking him up for me. CWGC has the following info: > GRUNDY, FRANCIS > Rank: Private > Regiment/Service: > The Loyal North Lancashire Regiment > Unit Text: > 8th Bn. > Date of Death: > 10/07/1916 > Service No: > 18012 > Casualty Type: > Commonwealth War Dead > Grave/Memorial Reference: > Pier and Face 11 A. > Memorial: > THIEPVAL MEMORIAL. > Any additional information would be very much appreciated. > Thanks, > Barry Murray. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mike, Many thanks for the information. I'll see what happens when I try to order things. Thanks once again, Derrick -----Original Message----- From: Mike Shingleton [mailto:shinglma_64@btopenworld.com] Sent: 19 July 2007 12:53 To: Derrick Parsons Cc: GREATWAR@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] 1st Battalion: Auckland Regiment: NZEF Derrick I've not been down this road myself but I believe that NZ personnel files for WW1 are now held at the NZ National Archives in Wellington. See this link for more details (including access). <http://www.archives.govt.nz/doingresearch/nzdfpersonnelfiles.php> As for the battalion war diary it is held in the UK National Archives at Kew: <http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CA TID=-2244820&CATLN=7&Highlight=%2CAUCKLAND%2CREGIMENT&accessmethod=0> Hope this helps Mike Shingleton -----Original Message----- From: Derrick Parsons <derrick.parsons@btinternet.com> Sent Subject: [GREATWAR] 1st Battalion: Auckland Regiment: NZEF > Dear list, > I have a Private William Arthur Cornish 67960 who was killed in the NZEF on > 4th November 1918. Would anyone have any idea on how I can get his service > record and the battalion war diary for that period? > Many thanks, > Derrick Parsons > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think we are really fortunate to have the one's we have. Here's one that I'm glad was allowed over the 60 letter limit. I have a photo of this grave over my desk and it reminds me daily the grief the family of the dead must of felt. Capt H.W.M. Thomas 1-7-1916 Age 24 HE WAS BUT WORDS FAIL TO SAY WHAT THINK WHAT A GOOD SON SHOULD BE AND HE WAS THAT My g'grandparents left me this on the grave of their son Pte E.G. Vaux MM. HE DIED FOR US I think it was wonderful that the "US" is so ambiguous. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Evans" <terry_evans@btinternet.com> To: "ww1" <greatwar-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 12:35 PM Subject: [GREATWAR] Headstone Inscriptions > On some of the CWGC headstones there are inscriptions added at the > families request, does anyone have details on the "rules" governing these > additional insciptions? > Any help will be greatly appreciated > Terry Evans > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Derrick If you ever manage to get a transcript of the war diary for the regiment, I'd love to know. I was able to get a microfilm of a very small portion of it from the Australian War Memorial some years ago, but I believe they no longer provide films of this type as they are digitising the lot to go on line at a later date. There is an excellent book by 2nd Lieutenant Ormond E. Burton on the First, Second and Third Battalions of the regiment, but it was published in 1922, so it might be a bit difficult to get hold of (National Library of Australia has a copy, but that might not be much help to you). I have transcribed part of it, with a fairly detailed account of where the regiment was and when (sent off list). There are also Christopher Pugsley's "Gallipoli the New Zealand Story" and the 4 volume "Official History of New Zealand's Effort in the Great War" (Vol. I Gallipoli, Vol. II France, Vol. III Sinai & Palestine, Vol. 4 a miscellany including supply of reinforcements, Samoa, NZ army nurses, hospitals, hospital ships, dental corps, veterinary corps, finance, camps in England). Hope this helps Margaret ROSE Wagga Wagga NSW

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:59:35 -0500, "John Favill" <jfavill@wi.rr.com> wrote: >My father served in the Manchester Regiment in WW1 in >India... >I would ask therefore, if anyone can point me to a >source of information as I would have thought there would have been, for >instance regimental diaries of the WW1 service of the Manchester Regiment on >the Indian continent available somewhere. > >My father's name was Frederick William FAVILL and listed in the Medal Index >as "Fred FAVILL" >His army number was 45717 and his birthdate December 22, 1980. Researching units which served in India in WW1 can be difficult. Regimental histories concentrated on battalions which served in the theatres of war like the Western Front or Mesopotamia, and those units which stayed at home in the UK, or went to India, receive scant attention. Apart from the 1st Bn, which was in India at the start of the war and was recalled to fight on the Western Front, as far as I know only the 1st (Garrison) Battalion of the Manchester Regiment served in India. It was formed at Knowsley Park in Sep 1915 and left the UK for India in Feb 1916. >From his MIC, can you confirm which medal(s) he was awarded? If he only served in India, then I'd expect him to have got only the British War Medal. However, if he got more than the BWM, for example the Victory Medal, that indicates that he served apart from India, and therefore was also with another battalion. His Medal Roll, not available on-line, may confirm his battalion. I don't believe that you'll find any War Diaries for the 1st (Garrison) Bn, and if the Regimental Museum can't supply anything, then I think you could be a bit stuck as regards following its activities. Forrest -- Forrest Anderson, Edinburgh, Scotland. E-mail: forrest@military-researcher.com Website: www.military-researcher.com Forrestdale Research - Military Genealogical Researcher

John It might be worth trying this site - a great deal of Manchester Regiment experience there, and an associated Forum to ask questions: http://www.themanchesters.org/index.htm Sue Sue Light [Lancing, West Sussex]

Hello John, I list here some books that I know of that relate to the Manchester Regiment and are extracted from 'The Location of British Army Records 1914-1918' [4th Edition] Norman Holding, page 70. I also see you are USA based and therefore some [perhaps many] of these may be difficult if not impossible to locate or obtain. However having said that I have over the years been able to track down some obscure books via 'Albris' 'E Bay', or even just plain 'Google'. You do not mention which Bn your father served so you get the whole list relevant or not. The History of The Manchester Regiment, Vols 1 and 2. Col Wylly, Foster Groom and Co Ltd 1923-25. The Manchesters, Capt Campbell, A history of the Regular, Militia, Special Reserve, Territorial and New Army Bns. 1916. Sixteenth, Seventeenth, Eighteenth, Nineteenth Bns, The Manchester Regiment (1st City Brigade), A record 1914-18, Sherratt and Hughes 1923. Manchester City Bns of the 90th and 91st Infantry Brigades. Brigadier General Kempster. Sherratt and Hughes 1917. This may [or may not] be of some help Regards Peter Fellowes ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Favill" <jfavill@wi.rr.com> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 3:59 PM Subject: [GREATWAR] Manchester Regiment. > Hi All, > My father served in the Manchester Regiment in WW1 in > India. > When trying to find the history of his service I made contact with the > Kings Regiment Museum in Ardwick Green, Manchester and asked for > information. Much to my surprise all they could do was sell me a book > written by a serving soldier, but from 1923 onwards. > > Having almost given up trying to find information, as I originally wrote > to > the Museum in 2003, I can't help but notice the enclicopedic knowledge of > contributing member. I would ask therefore, if anyone can point me to a > source of information as I would have thought there would have been, for > instance regimental diaries of the WW1 service of the Manchester Regiment > on > the Indian continent available somewhere. > > My father's name was Frederick William FAVILL and listed in the Medal > Index > as "Fred FAVILL" > His army number was 45717 and his birthdate December > 22, > 1980. > > John > Favill, > > Brookfield > , Wisconsin, USA > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi List, The family of Albert FRENCH had his age added to his memorial as he was one of the enthusiastic youngsters that joined up in the early days of the war and died just short of his 17 birthday. See http://www.olioweb.me.uk/echoes/htmlpages/albert_french.html Regards Bob S NZ -----Original Message----- From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gower Sent: 19 July 2007 12:15 To: greatwar@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Headstone Inscriptions If I can dare to add to Forrest's comments: If a family at the time said that they did not want an inscription, then one can never be added. If at the time the family did not answer the request, then a family could later (and, I believe, still can) add an inscription. I suspect that only obscenities were not allowed. I must admit I have never counted to see how many letters were used, but there are some very factual inscriptions: SHOT AT DAWN was allowed, and Kingston's youngest deceased simply had his parents' names and address. Peter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.9/907 - Release Date: 18/07/2007 15:30

Derrick I've not been down this road myself but I believe that NZ personnel files for WW1 are now held at the NZ National Archives in Wellington. See this link for more details (including access). <http://www.archives.govt.nz/doingresearch/nzdfpersonnelfiles.php> As for the battalion war diary it is held in the UK National Archives at Kew: <http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATID=-2244820&CATLN=7&Highlight=%2CAUCKLAND%2CREGIMENT&accessmethod=0> Hope this helps Mike Shingleton -----Original Message----- From: Derrick Parsons <derrick.parsons@btinternet.com> Sent Subject: [GREATWAR] 1st Battalion: Auckland Regiment: NZEF > Dear list, > I have a Private William Arthur Cornish 67960 who was killed in the NZEF on > 4th November 1918. Would anyone have any idea on how I can get his service > record and the battalion war diary for that period? > Many thanks, > Derrick Parsons > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, My father served in the Manchester Regiment in WW1 in India. When trying to find the history of his service I made contact with the Kings Regiment Museum in Ardwick Green, Manchester and asked for information. Much to my surprise all they could do was sell me a book written by a serving soldier, but from 1923 onwards. Having almost given up trying to find information, as I originally wrote to the Museum in 2003, I can't help but notice the enclicopedic knowledge of contributing member. I would ask therefore, if anyone can point me to a source of information as I would have thought there would have been, for instance regimental diaries of the WW1 service of the Manchester Regiment on the Indian continent available somewhere. My father's name was Frederick William FAVILL and listed in the Medal Index as "Fred FAVILL" His army number was 45717 and his birthdate December 22, 1980. John Favill, Brookfield , Wisconsin, USA

Dear list, I have a Private William Arthur Cornish 67960 who was killed in the NZEF on 4th November 1918. Would anyone have any idea on how I can get his service record and the battalion war diary for that period? Many thanks, Derrick Parsons

Hi Derrick/Listers, Seems the 1st Btn. Auckland Rgt. was part of the 1st NZ Brigade: http://www.warpath.orbat.com/anzac/nz_div.htm#1nz Your young man is here with 2 different spelling of his first name: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sooty/akaA-J.html http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sooty/nzefrohco-cu.html http://www.firstaif.info/pages/nzef.htm Janice USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derrick Parsons" <derrick.parsons@btinternet.com> To: <GREATWAR@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 4:45 AM Subject: [GREATWAR] 1st Battalion: Auckland Regiment: NZEF > Dear list, > > I have a Private William Arthur Cornish 67960 who was killed in the NZEF > on > 4th November 1918. Would anyone have any idea on how I can get his > service > record and the battalion war diary for that period? > > Many thanks, > > Derrick Parsons > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Derrick, I'm thinking your young man's first name is Wilfred: http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=579452 I found him in the NZ Archives: http://archway.archives.govt.nz/FullItem.do http://archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewBreadcrumb.do Hope this helps, Janice USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derrick Parsons" <derrick.parsons@btinternet.com> To: <GREATWAR@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 4:45 AM Subject: [GREATWAR] 1st Battalion: Auckland Regiment: NZEF > Dear list, > > I have a Private William Arthur Cornish 67960 who was killed in the NZEF > on > 4th November 1918. Would anyone have any idea on how I can get his > service > record and the battalion war diary for that period? > > Many thanks, > > Derrick Parsons > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Forrest, Your generosity with your time and knowledge never ceases to impress me. Thank you so very much for helping to resolve the conundrum of H G BALDWIN's Army service. As for the link with Skelton-in-Cleveland, I'm hoping the 1911 census might shed some light on that. Only a couple of more years to wait before the first release of that! Once again: many, many thanks. regards, Peter Appleton My Family Tree website: http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/pappleton3 -----Original Message----- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 22:55:32 +0100 From: Forrest Anderson <listmail@military-researcher.com> Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] H G BALDWIN To: GREATWAR-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <mq1t931e9kk62njne5pkrqr0v4ui6dvtec@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:48:24 +0100, "Peter Appleton" <peter.appleton3@ntlworld.com> wrote: >I am working on a personal project to document as much as I can >about the men whose names are inscribed on the War Memorial that stands on >the village green at Skelton-in-Cleveland (my home village) in north-east >Yorkshire. I have a problem with one H G BALDWIN. >The War Memorial gives just his initials and surname. However, in the parish >church there is a "roll of honour" panel listing the men of the parish who >gave their lives during the Great War. On this he is listed as "Pte H G >Baldwin" under the unit heading of "Army Cyclist Corps". > >My problem is that I cannot find an individual on the CWGC database that >matches all four of his surname, initials, rank and unit. > >CWGC gives me two close "possibles" a Private A BALDWIN 7059 in the Army >Cyclist Corps or a Lance Corporal H G BALDWIN 20319 in 23rd (Tyneside >Scottish) Battalion Northumberland Fusiliers.... If you check the Medal Index Card database at <http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/browse-refine.asp?CatID= 10&searchType=browserefine&pagenumber=1&query=*&queryType=1> for: Last name = Baldwin Corps = Cyclist ...and then go through the 19 results, you'll find this record: ------------------------------------------------------ Medal card of Baldwin, Herbert G Corps Regiment No Rank Army Cyclist Corps 6245 Private Northumberland Fusiliers 20319 Lance Corporal Northumberland Fusiliers 20319 Private ------------------------------------------------------ This is one of your two primary suspects, and since he served in the Army Cyclist Corps, you now have a match to all four criteria. Soldiers Died in the Great War says: 20319 LCpl Herbert George BALDWIN, 23rd Battalion (Tyneside Scottish), Northumberland Fusiliers. Died 12/11/1917, France & Flanders. Born in Newcastle-on-tyne; Enlisted at Newcastle-on-tyne. Note that it says he "died", rather than "killed in action" or "died of wounds", and this often means that it was from natural causes, or as a POW. Sometimes Medal Index Cards are annotated if the soldier was a prisoner, so you might want to download his MIC. Unfortunately there's no explanation of why he's on the Skelton memorial. >I've searched CWGC looking for BALDWINs dying in December 1917 or after >(keeping a particular watch out for any buried in locations that might >possibly be attributable to PoW camps). This search turned up one H J >BALDWIN of the Middlesex Regiment who died on 24 Jan 1921 and is buried in >Cologne Southern Cemetery. Were there any PoW camps in the Cologne area? The problem with Cologne Southern Cemetery is that it is a concentration cemetery for 183 burial grounds elsewhere in Germany. This is where the war dead were gathered from other cemeteries and re-buried in the concentration cemetery. http://www.cwgc.org/search/cemetery_details.aspx?cemetery=34600&mode=1 gives details of Cologne Southern: ---------------- Cologne was entered by Commonwealth forces on 6 December 1918 and occupied under the terms of the Treaty of Versailles until January 1926. COLOGNE SOUTHERN CEMETERY was used during the war for the burial of more than 1,000 Allied prisoners, as well as German servicemen. After the Armistice it was used by the occupying garrison. In 1922 it was decided that the graves of Commonwealth servicemen who had died all over Germany should be brought together into four permanent cemeteries. Cologne Southern was one of those chosen and the following year, graves were brought in from 183 burial grounds* in Hanover, Hesse, the Rhine and Westphalia. There are now 2,482 First World War servicemen buried or commemorated in the Commonwealth plots at Cologne. The total includes special memorials to a number of casualties buried in other cemeteries in Germany whose graves could not be found. The Commonwealth section of the cemetery also contains 132 Second World War graves, mostly those of servicemen who died with the occupying forces. There are, in addition, 676 non-war graves and 29 burials of other nationalities. The COLOGNE MEMORIAL takes the form of panels set inside the north shelter building at the entrance to the Commonweatlh plots in Cologne Southern Cemetery. It commemorates 25 servicemen of the United Kingdom who died in Germany and who have no known grave. Of these, 19 are known to have died as prisoners and their places of burial are not recorded. The other six died after the Armistice by drowning and their bodies were not recovered. * The following cemeteries are among those from which graves were brought to Cologne: AACHEN MILITARY CEMETERY, 197 burials of sailors 1914-1919. BONN (POPPELSDORF) CEMETERY, 133 service and one civilian burial, all of 1919. The 47th General Hospital and the 21st Casualty Clearing Station were posted at Bonn. BUDERICH (FORT BLUCHER) PRISONERS OF WAR CEMETERY, 39 burials of 1914-1919. COBLENZ FRENCH MILITARY CEMETERY, KARTHAUSE, 59 burials of 1915-1918. Coblenz was occupied by United States troops in December 1918. DORTMUND SOUTH-WESTERN CEMETERY, 53 burials of 1914-1918. DUISBURG TOWN CEMETERY, 35 burials of 1914-1919. DULMEN PRISONERS OF WAR CEMETERY, 96 burials of 1915-1918. DUREN NEW TOWN CEMETERY, 79 burials, mostly of 1919. The 11th Stationary Hospital and the 17th Casualty Clearing Station were posted at Duren. DUSSELDORF NORTH CEMETERY, 24 burials of 1915-1918. ESSEN SOUTH-WESTERN CEMETERY, 21 burials of 1917-1918. EUSKIRCHEN NEW TOWN CEMETERY, 75 service and one civilian burials of 1918-1919. The 42nd Stationary Hospital and the 47th Casualty Clearing Station were posted at Euskirchen. FRIEDRICHSFELD PRISONERS OF WAR CEMETERY, 70 burials of 1916-1918. FRIEMERSHEIM CEMETERY, 20 burials of 1918. GELSENKIRCHEN WEST CEMETERY, 21 burials of 1917-1918. GEROLSTEIN MILITARY CEMETERY, 25 burials of 1918. JULICH MILITARY, 39 burials of 1915-1918. MULHEIM-AM-RUHR OLD TOWN CEMETERY, 49 burials of 1915-1918. MUNSTER (HAUSPITAL) PRISONERS OF WAR CEMETERY, 161 burials of 1914-1918. RECKLINGHAUSEN PROTESTANT, CATHOLIC AND SOUTH CEMETERIES, 26 burials of 1916-1918. TRIER TOWN CEMETERY, 48 burials of 1917-1918. --------------------- Forrest -- Forrest Anderson, Edinburgh, Scotland. E-mail: forrest@military-researcher.com Website: www.military-researcher.com Forrestdale Research - Military Genealogical Researcher

The British Government levied a charge for the inscription, of three and a half pence [old pennies] for each letter [or should that be 'threepence ha'penny!], up to a maximum cost of £1. Many relatives, even if they wanted an inscription, could not afford this, and so the headstone remained blank. This charge was unpopular and later became an optional contribution, and continued to be so up to WW2, when eventually it was abandoned. Sue Sue Light [Lancing, West Sussex]

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:48:24 +0100, "Peter Appleton" <peter.appleton3@ntlworld.com> wrote: >I am working on a personal project to document as much as I can >about the men whose names are inscribed on the War Memorial that stands on >the village green at Skelton-in-Cleveland (my home village) in north-east >Yorkshire. I have a problem with one H G BALDWIN. >The War Memorial gives just his initials and surname. However, in the parish >church there is a "roll of honour" panel listing the men of the parish who >gave their lives during the Great War. On this he is listed as "Pte H G >Baldwin" under the unit heading of "Army Cyclist Corps". > >My problem is that I cannot find an individual on the CWGC database that >matches all four of his surname, initials, rank and unit. > >CWGC gives me two close "possibles" a Private A BALDWIN 7059 in the Army >Cyclist Corps or a Lance Corporal H G BALDWIN 20319 in 23rd (Tyneside >Scottish) Battalion Northumberland Fusiliers.... If you check the Medal Index Card database at <http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/browse-refine.asp?CatID=10&searchType=browserefine&pagenumber=1&query=*&queryType=1> for: Last name = Baldwin Corps = Cyclist ...and then go through the 19 results, you'll find this record: ------------------------------------------------------ Medal card of Baldwin, Herbert G Corps Regiment No Rank Army Cyclist Corps 6245 Private Northumberland Fusiliers 20319 Lance Corporal Northumberland Fusiliers 20319 Private ------------------------------------------------------ This is one of your two primary suspects, and since he served in the Army Cyclist Corps, you now have a match to all four criteria. Soldiers Died in the Great War says: 20319 LCpl Herbert George BALDWIN, 23rd Battalion (Tyneside Scottish), Northumberland Fusiliers. Died 12/11/1917, France & Flanders. Born in Newcastle-on-tyne; Enlisted at Newcastle-on-tyne. Note that it says he "died", rather than "killed in action" or "died of wounds", and this often means that it was from natural causes, or as a POW. Sometimes Medal Index Cards are annotated if the soldier was a prisoner, so you might want to download his MIC. Unfortunately there's no explanation of why he's on the Skelton memorial. >I've searched CWGC looking for BALDWINs dying in December 1917 or after >(keeping a particular watch out for any buried in locations that might >possibly be attributable to PoW camps). This search turned up one H J >BALDWIN of the Middlesex Regiment who died on 24 Jan 1921 and is buried in >Cologne Southern Cemetery. Were there any PoW camps in the Cologne area? The problem with Cologne Southern Cemetery is that it is a concentration cemetery for 183 burial grounds elsewhere in Germany. This is where the war dead were gathered from other cemeteries and re-buried in the concentration cemetery. http://www.cwgc.org/search/cemetery_details.aspx?cemetery=34600&mode=1 gives details of Cologne Southern: ---------------- Cologne was entered by Commonwealth forces on 6 December 1918 and occupied under the terms of the Treaty of Versailles until January 1926. COLOGNE SOUTHERN CEMETERY was used during the war for the burial of more than 1,000 Allied prisoners, as well as German servicemen. After the Armistice it was used by the occupying garrison. In 1922 it was decided that the graves of Commonwealth servicemen who had died all over Germany should be brought together into four permanent cemeteries. Cologne Southern was one of those chosen and the following year, graves were brought in from 183 burial grounds* in Hanover, Hesse, the Rhine and Westphalia. There are now 2,482 First World War servicemen buried or commemorated in the Commonwealth plots at Cologne. The total includes special memorials to a number of casualties buried in other cemeteries in Germany whose graves could not be found. The Commonwealth section of the cemetery also contains 132 Second World War graves, mostly those of servicemen who died with the occupying forces. There are, in addition, 676 non-war graves and 29 burials of other nationalities. The COLOGNE MEMORIAL takes the form of panels set inside the north shelter building at the entrance to the Commonweatlh plots in Cologne Southern Cemetery. It commemorates 25 servicemen of the United Kingdom who died in Germany and who have no known grave. Of these, 19 are known to have died as prisoners and their places of burial are not recorded. The other six died after the Armistice by drowning and their bodies were not recovered. * The following cemeteries are among those from which graves were brought to Cologne: AACHEN MILITARY CEMETERY, 197 burials of sailors 1914-1919. BONN (POPPELSDORF) CEMETERY, 133 service and one civilian burial, all of 1919. The 47th General Hospital and the 21st Casualty Clearing Station were posted at Bonn. BUDERICH (FORT BLUCHER) PRISONERS OF WAR CEMETERY, 39 burials of 1914-1919. COBLENZ FRENCH MILITARY CEMETERY, KARTHAUSE, 59 burials of 1915-1918. Coblenz was occupied by United States troops in December 1918. DORTMUND SOUTH-WESTERN CEMETERY, 53 burials of 1914-1918. DUISBURG TOWN CEMETERY, 35 burials of 1914-1919. DULMEN PRISONERS OF WAR CEMETERY, 96 burials of 1915-1918. DUREN NEW TOWN CEMETERY, 79 burials, mostly of 1919. The 11th Stationary Hospital and the 17th Casualty Clearing Station were posted at Duren. DUSSELDORF NORTH CEMETERY, 24 burials of 1915-1918. ESSEN SOUTH-WESTERN CEMETERY, 21 burials of 1917-1918. EUSKIRCHEN NEW TOWN CEMETERY, 75 service and one civilian burials of 1918-1919. The 42nd Stationary Hospital and the 47th Casualty Clearing Station were posted at Euskirchen. FRIEDRICHSFELD PRISONERS OF WAR CEMETERY, 70 burials of 1916-1918. FRIEMERSHEIM CEMETERY, 20 burials of 1918. GELSENKIRCHEN WEST CEMETERY, 21 burials of 1917-1918. GEROLSTEIN MILITARY CEMETERY, 25 burials of 1918. JULICH MILITARY, 39 burials of 1915-1918. MULHEIM-AM-RUHR OLD TOWN CEMETERY, 49 burials of 1915-1918. MUNSTER (HAUSPITAL) PRISONERS OF WAR CEMETERY, 161 burials of 1914-1918. RECKLINGHAUSEN PROTESTANT, CATHOLIC AND SOUTH CEMETERIES, 26 burials of 1916-1918. TRIER TOWN CEMETERY, 48 burials of 1917-1918. --------------------- Forrest -- Forrest Anderson, Edinburgh, Scotland. E-mail: forrest@military-researcher.com Website: www.military-researcher.com Forrestdale Research - Military Genealogical Researcher

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:35:48 +0100, "Terry Evans" <terry_evans@btinternet.com> wrote: >On some of the CWGC headstones there are inscriptions added at the families request, does anyone have details on the "rules" governing these additional insciptions? "Courage Remembered: The story behind the construction and maintenance of the Commonwealth's Military Cemeteries and Memorials of the Wars of 1914-1918 and 1939-1945", by MAJOR EDWIN GIBSON MBE and G KINGSLEY WARD has a couple of paragraphs about this: ------------------------ When the Commission got in touch with the next of kin to check the details it intended to inscribe on the headstone, it invited them to provide a personal inscription of up to 60 letters. (But not in the case of New Zealand war dead, as its government decided that their headstones should have no personal inscription. There are, however, a few exceptions – in Courcelles-au-Bois Cemetery, France, for example.) These are often poignant, expressing as they do the family's feelings of grief and loss: L. CPL. H.G. CROSS "FINE SON, WHOSE FATHER WAS KILLED AT ARRAS 1918" PRIVATE L.W. DWANEY AGE 18 "HE WENT TO WAR SO YOUNG A LAD" Some are in a different vein: the headstone in Brookwood Military Cemetery marking the grave (XXI A 11) of Pilot Officer Ken Farnes RAF (VR), a famous cricketer, reads: 'HE DIED AS HE LIVED – PLAYING THE GAME" -------------------------- The 60 letter limit wasn't rigidly enforced, as one of the CWGC gravestones near me has the following inscription at the bottom, which has 64 characters (without spaces): DEARLY LOVED HUSBAND OF MURIEL MITCHELL AND BELOVED SON OF ALEX. AND ANN ROSS Forrest -- Forrest Anderson, Edinburgh, Scotland. E-mail: forrest@military-researcher.com Website: www.military-researcher.com Forrestdale Research - Military Genealogical Researcher

I ask the indulgence of the members of this list whilst I set the background. I am working on a personal project to document as much as I can about the men whose names are inscribed on the War Memorial that stands on the village green at Skelton-in-Cleveland (my home village) in north-east Yorkshire. I have a problem with one H G BALDWIN. The War Memorial gives just his initials and surname. However, in the parish church there is a "roll of honour" panel listing the men of the parish who gave their lives during the Great War. On this he is listed as "Pte H G Baldwin" under the unit heading of "Army Cyclist Corps". My problem is that I cannot find an individual on the CWGC database that matches all four of his surname, initials, rank and unit. CWGC gives me two close "possibles" a Private A BALDWIN 7059 in the Army Cyclist Corps or a Lance Corporal H G BALDWIN 20319 in 23rd (Tyneside Scottish) Battalion Northumberland Fusiliers. The former individual is attributed to 37th Division Cyclist Company and his sister is shown living at an address in Birmingham. This, to my mind, makes him an unlikely candidate. A local history webpage hosted on a site sponsored by Northumbria University gives additional information for H G BALDWIN as follows: Home address: 1 Harker Street, Skelton (this puts him firmly in the village community!) Taken PoW December 1917. I'm trying to make contact with the webmaster of this site to try and ascertain the source of this extra information. I've searched CWGC looking for BALDWINs dying in December 1917 or after (keeping a particular watch out for any buried in locations that might possibly be attributable to PoW camps). This search turned up one H J BALDWIN of the Middlesex Regiment who died on 24 Jan 1921 and is buried in Cologne Southern Cemetery. Were there any PoW camps in the Cologne area? The regiment is not a good fit for a man from the north-east of England. Isn't this more likely to be an individual serving with the post-war Occupation Army? Of the three individuals, H G BALDWIN has the right initials and is associated with a Northern regiment. If he originally joined up as Army Cyclist Corps is it possible he then transferred or was transferred to Northumberland Fusiliers? If so, would he retain his original service number or receive a new one from his new regiment? Any thoughts or ideas would be very much appreciated. I've traced all the rest of the 70 individuals in the CWGC database. It's annoying not to have a good, solid matching "hit" for H G BALDWIN. regards, Peter Appleton My Family Tree website: http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/pappleton3

On some of the CWGC headstones there are inscriptions added at the families request, does anyone have details on the "rules" governing these additional insciptions? Any help will be greatly appreciated Terry Evans