Gail My understanding is that all service files of doctors who were granted temporary commissions for wartime service with the Royal Army Medical Corps were not retained - i.e. they were destroyed during the 1920s. Regards ----- Sue Sue Light [Lancing, West Sussex] www.scarletfinders.co.uk On 05/08/07, Gail Arkins <jarkins@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > > Thanks for this info. The four men mentioned below were all part of > Kitchener's Hundred. I believe they only signed up for a year. > > Is there any way I can get a copy of his enlistment form or service > record? > I know they arrived in London and signed up there. > > > >Could any kind lister help me with tracing my grandfather who, although > >Australian joined the Royal Army Medical Corps, as a result of a request > for > >100 doctors from Lord Kitchener at the beginning of 1915. > > >Can anyone locate his records, please?? >

Hi Forrest, Thanks for this info. The four men mentioned below were all part of Kitchener's Hundred. I believe they only signed up for a year. Is there any way I can get a copy of his enlistment form or service record? I know they arrived in London and signed up there. Gail Arkins 0417 177 718 -----Original Message----- From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Anderson Sent: Sunday, 5 August 2007 2:15 AM To: GREATWAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Henry Cecil Colville On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 21:29:15 +1000, "Gail Arkins" <jarkins@bigpond.net.au> wrote: >Could any kind lister help me with tracing my grandfather who, although >Australian joined the Royal Army Medical Corps, as a result of a request for >100 doctors from Lord Kitchener at the beginning of 1915. >Can anyone locate his records, please?? The London Gazette announced when officers were commissioned, and gave details of some promotions. It is searchable at http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveSearch.asp?WebType=0&Referer=WW1 The edition for 12 May 1915 at <http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveDownload.asp?webType=0&issueNumber= 29160&pageNumber=3&PageDuplicate=n> gives the following announcement: ---------------- ARMY MEDICAL SERVICE. Royal Army Medical Corps. The undermentioned to be temporary Lieutenants:- Dated 17th March, 1915. Keith Gemmell Colquhoun, M.B. Clive Travers Stephen, M.B. Henry Cecil Colville, M.B. Alan Pryde, M.B. --------------- So we now know that he was commissioned as a Lieutenant in the RAMC on 17 Mar 1915. The following then appeared in the London Gazette of 10 Apr 1916 at <http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveDownload.asp?webType=0&issueNumber= 29542&pageNumber=4&PageDuplicate=n> ---------------- ARMY MEDICAL SERVICE. Royal Army Medical Corps. The undermentioned temporary Lieutenants relinquish their commissions: - Dated 17th March, 1916. Keith G. Colquhoun, M.B. Clive T. Stephen, M.B. Henry C. Colville, M.B. Alan Pryde, M.B. ----------------- This seemed odd, as all four officers relinquished their commissions after exactly one year. Exploring a bit further, it was amended in December at <http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveDownload.asp?webType=0&issueNumber= 29882&pageNumber=4&PageDuplicate=n> ------------------ ARMY MEDICAL SERVICE. RAMC The date on which temp. Lt. Henry C. Colville, M.B., relinquished his commn. is 7th May 1916, and not as in the Gazette of 10th Apr. 1916. ------------------ There's no reason why he relinquished his commission though. Service Records for WW1 officers generally appear in the WO 339 and WO 374 series at the National Archives, and there is a leaflet at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=6 You can search the national Archives' catalogue at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/search.asp but I couldn't see a suitable entry for him. Not all records have survived, and not all records have been released to the public. Since he was a doctor, I suggest you look through contemporary editions of the Medical Directory and Medical Register, and hopefully you'll find something about his medical career. Forrest -- Forrest Anderson, Edinburgh, Scotland. E-mail: forrest@military-researcher.com Website: www.military-researcher.com Forrestdale Research - Military Genealogical Researcher ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.4/935 - Release Date: 3/08/2007 5:46 PM -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 398 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

As far as I can see not all pension records are online at Ancestry. My grandfather had a pension and his records are not there. Funnily, the records are there for a gt uncle who only served for 11 days. He surely didn't receive a pension. He was 'fit' on the 19th and medically 'unfit' on the 29th! This probably sounds silly but, what exactly does 'embodied' mean in the promotions, reductions and casualties column. Kind regards Judith K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Shingleton" <shinglma_64@btopenworld.com> To: "William longmore" <w.longmore@btinternet.com> Cc: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Missing soldier dilemma > Bill, > >> are all Great War soldiers service papers published on Ancestry" > > Simple answer - no. Only some 30% to 40% of records have survived. > The vast majority of records of First World War soldiers were > destroyed during WW2. Those which survived are fire and water > damaged, often fragmentary (in terms of both individual pages and > complete records) and are known as 'the burnt records'. They can be > found on microfilm under catalogue class WO 363 at the National > Archives at Kew in London. > > There is another set of service records held on microfilm at the > National Archives in catalogue class WO 364. These papers are service > records which were being used for pensions purposes and being held > elsewhere survived the attentions of the Luftwaffe. > > It is these records which have just appeared online at Ancestry. > > My understanding is that Ancestry intend to put the 'burnt records' > in WO 363 online by the end of 2008. > > Hope this helps > > > > > Mike S > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bill, > are all Great War soldiers service papers published on Ancestry" Simple answer - no. Only some 30% to 40% of records have survived. The vast majority of records of First World War soldiers were destroyed during WW2. Those which survived are fire and water damaged, often fragmentary (in terms of both individual pages and complete records) and are known as 'the burnt records'. They can be found on microfilm under catalogue class WO 363 at the National Archives at Kew in London. There is another set of service records held on microfilm at the National Archives in catalogue class WO 364. These papers are service records which were being used for pensions purposes and being held elsewhere survived the attentions of the Luftwaffe. It is these records which have just appeared online at Ancestry. My understanding is that Ancestry intend to put the 'burnt records' in WO 363 online by the end of 2008. Hope this helps Mike S

Greetings, Could any kind lister help me with tracing my grandfather who, although Australian joined the Royal Army Medical Corps, as a result of a request for 100 doctors from Lord Kitchener at the beginning of 1915. He left Australia and apparently joined up in London. Can anyone locate his records, please?? Gail Arkins 0417 177 718 _____ I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 396 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter <http://www.spamfighter.com/len> for free now!

Hi Mike, I hope you don't mind me butting in, but are all Great War soldiers service papers published on Ancestry. I am looking for my grandfather's service records. He was with the South Staffs and was wounded in 1916. After discharge from hospital in 1917 he was attached to the Notts & Derby T/R until his medical Discharge in December'17. Do I need to subscribe to Ancestry to get to find his papers? Talk to you soon, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Shingleton" <shinglma_64@btopenworld.com> To: "Derrick Parsons" <derrick.parsons@btinternet.com> Cc: <GREATWAR@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Missing soldier dilemma > Hello Derrick, > > As Lou had pointed out the papers for Horace John Griffin are amongst > the papers in WO 364 now published on Ancestry. > > They give some indication as to his background and circumstances. He > attested on 07/01/1917 was assigned to the Army Reserve the following > day and mobilised on 26/04/1917. A member of the Army Service Corps > (Its probably Corps not COEDS) he joined the depot at Grove Park on > 04/05/1917 and moved to Camberwell on 03/06/1917. > > Much of the rest of the papers are given up to medical reports > on the Bronchitis with which he was suffering. This led eventually to > his being discharged as physically unfit for service on 11/10/1918. > He was discharged on that date from Battersea Motor Transport Depot. > There is no indication that he ever served overseas and if so that > would explain his absence from the medal index cards. > > His next of kin is given as his mother Laura D Griffin (I can't make > out the middle name) and her address is given as Downgate Post Office, > Stoke Climsland, Cornwall. > > He appears, aged 2, with his mother and father on the 1901 census for > Milton Abbot in Devon. His father's name is given there as Frederick > and in 1901 he was a grocer and draper aged 32. There is a death > registered in the first quarter of 1908 for a Frederick Griffin (aged > 39) in Launceston Registration District (Vol 5c p21). This would > appear to be his father. > > I've only highlighted some of the information from the service record > and would suggest you look over the complete document yourself. I too > am happy to e-mail you a copy. > > Kind regards > > > > Mike Shingleton > > Saturday, August 4, 2007, 9:43:17 AM, you wrote: > >> Good morning list, > >> I wonder if someone can help with a little puzzle. > >> I am researching names on the WW1 memorial in Stoke Climsland and >> have a >> H.Griffin. By a process of deduction, elimination and luck I think >> I've >> identified him as Horace Johns Griffin. I have his death certificate >> and he >> died locally in 1918, aged 19, of pleurisy and TB. On the >> certificate he is >> described as ex-Private, Army Service, COEDs (just about legible. >> Can >> anyone translate this for me?). No 318066 (Engineer). I cannot find >> his >> name mentioned on the WW1 Medal Rolls, CWGC or any records I can >> access via >> the internet. Given that he was only 19 when he died, I presume that >> he >> might not have spent any time abroad. > >> Has anyone any suggestions for where I go next to get some more >> details of >> him? Any idea what COEDs stands for? > >> Many thanks in advance. > >> Derrick Parsons >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the >> word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >> the message > > > > -- > Best regards, > Mike mailto:shinglma_64@btopenworld.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.4/935 - Release Date: > 03/08/2007 17:46 > >

On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 21:29:15 +1000, "Gail Arkins" <jarkins@bigpond.net.au> wrote: >Could any kind lister help me with tracing my grandfather who, although >Australian joined the Royal Army Medical Corps, as a result of a request for >100 doctors from Lord Kitchener at the beginning of 1915. >Can anyone locate his records, please?? The London Gazette announced when officers were commissioned, and gave details of some promotions. It is searchable at http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveSearch.asp?WebType=0&Referer=WW1 The edition for 12 May 1915 at <http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveDownload.asp?webType=0&issueNumber=29160&pageNumber=3&PageDuplicate=n> gives the following announcement: ---------------- ARMY MEDICAL SERVICE. Royal Army Medical Corps. The undermentioned to be temporary Lieutenants:— Dated 17th March, 1915. Keith Gemmell Colquhoun, M.B. Clive Travers Stephen, M.B. Henry Cecil Colville, M.B. Alan Pryde, M.B. --------------- So we now know that he was commissioned as a Lieutenant in the RAMC on 17 Mar 1915. The following then appeared in the London Gazette of 10 Apr 1916 at <http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveDownload.asp?webType=0&issueNumber=29542&pageNumber=4&PageDuplicate=n> ---------------- ARMY MEDICAL SERVICE. Royal Army Medical Corps. The undermentioned temporary Lieutenants relinquish their commissions: — Dated 17th March, 1916. Keith G. Colquhoun, M.B. Clive T. Stephen, M.B. Henry C. Colville, M.B. Alan Pryde, M.B. ----------------- This seemed odd, as all four officers relinquished their commissions after exactly one year. Exploring a bit further, it was amended in December at <http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveDownload.asp?webType=0&issueNumber=29882&pageNumber=4&PageDuplicate=n> ------------------ ARMY MEDICAL SERVICE. RAMC The date on which temp. Lt. Henry C. Colville, M.B., relinquished his commn. is 7th May 1916, and not as in the Gazette of 10th Apr. 1916. ------------------ There's no reason why he relinquished his commission though. Service Records for WW1 officers generally appear in the WO 339 and WO 374 series at the National Archives, and there is a leaflet at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=6 You can search the national Archives' catalogue at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/search.asp but I couldn't see a suitable entry for him. Not all records have survived, and not all records have been released to the public. Since he was a doctor, I suggest you look through contemporary editions of the Medical Directory and Medical Register, and hopefully you'll find something about his medical career. Forrest -- Forrest Anderson, Edinburgh, Scotland. E-mail: forrest@military-researcher.com Website: www.military-researcher.com Forrestdale Research - Military Genealogical Researcher

David, That would make sense and would also explain his own middle name. Another piece of the jigsaw! Regards Mike S Saturday, August 4, 2007, 2:00:25 PM, you wrote: > His mother's maiden name was Laura Dennis Johns - see FreeBMD Marriages 1897 Launceston. > David > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Shingleton" <shinglma_64@btopenworld.com> > To: "Derrick Parsons" <derrick.parsons@btinternet.com> > Cc: <GREATWAR@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 8:10 AM > Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Missing soldier dilemma >> Hello Derrick, >> >> As Lou had pointed out the papers for Horace John Griffin are amongst >> the papers in WO 364 now published on Ancestry. >> >> They give some indication as to his background and circumstances. He >> attested on 07/01/1917 was assigned to the Army Reserve the following >> day and mobilised on 26/04/1917. A member of the Army Service Corps >> (Its probably Corps not COEDS) he joined the depot at Grove Park on >> 04/05/1917 and moved to Camberwell on 03/06/1917. >> >> Much of the rest of the papers are given up to medical reports >> on the Bronchitis with which he was suffering. This led eventually to >> his being discharged as physically unfit for service on 11/10/1918. >> He was discharged on that date from Battersea Motor Transport Depot. >> There is no indication that he ever served overseas and if so that >> would explain his absence from the medal index cards. >> >> His next of kin is given as his mother Laura D Griffin (I can't make >> out the middle name) and her address is given as Downgate Post Office, >> Stoke Climsland, Cornwall. >> >> He appears, aged 2, with his mother and father on the 1901 census for >> Milton Abbot in Devon. His father's name is given there as Frederick >> and in 1901 he was a grocer and draper aged 32. There is a death >> registered in the first quarter of 1908 for a Frederick Griffin (aged >> 39) in Launceston Registration District (Vol 5c p21). This would >> appear to be his father. >> >> I've only highlighted some of the information from the service record >> and would suggest you look over the complete document yourself. I too >> am happy to e-mail you a copy. >> >> Kind regards >> >> >> >> Mike Shingleton >> >> Saturday, August 4, 2007, 9:43:17 AM, you wrote: >> >>> Good morning list, >> >>> I wonder if someone can help with a little puzzle. >> >>> I am researching names on the WW1 memorial in Stoke Climsland and have a >>> H.Griffin. By a process of deduction, elimination and luck I think I've >>> identified him as Horace Johns Griffin. I have his death certificate and he >>> died locally in 1918, aged 19, of pleurisy and TB. On the certificate he is >>> described as ex-Private, Army Service, COEDs (just about legible. Can >>> anyone translate this for me?). No 318066 (Engineer). I cannot find his >>> name mentioned on the WW1 Medal Rolls, CWGC or any records I can access via >>> the internet. Given that he was only 19 when he died, I presume that he >>> might not have spent any time abroad. >> >>> Has anyone any suggestions for where I go next to get some more details of >>> him? Any idea what COEDs stands for? >> >>> Many thanks in advance. >> >>> Derrick Parsons >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the >>> word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Mike mailto:shinglma_64@btopenworld.com >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with >> the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Best regards, Mike mailto:shinglma_64@btopenworld.com

Hello Derrick, As Lou had pointed out the papers for Horace John Griffin are amongst the papers in WO 364 now published on Ancestry. They give some indication as to his background and circumstances. He attested on 07/01/1917 was assigned to the Army Reserve the following day and mobilised on 26/04/1917. A member of the Army Service Corps (Its probably Corps not COEDS) he joined the depot at Grove Park on 04/05/1917 and moved to Camberwell on 03/06/1917. Much of the rest of the papers are given up to medical reports on the Bronchitis with which he was suffering. This led eventually to his being discharged as physically unfit for service on 11/10/1918. He was discharged on that date from Battersea Motor Transport Depot. There is no indication that he ever served overseas and if so that would explain his absence from the medal index cards. His next of kin is given as his mother Laura D Griffin (I can't make out the middle name) and her address is given as Downgate Post Office, Stoke Climsland, Cornwall. He appears, aged 2, with his mother and father on the 1901 census for Milton Abbot in Devon. His father's name is given there as Frederick and in 1901 he was a grocer and draper aged 32. There is a death registered in the first quarter of 1908 for a Frederick Griffin (aged 39) in Launceston Registration District (Vol 5c p21). This would appear to be his father. I've only highlighted some of the information from the service record and would suggest you look over the complete document yourself. I too am happy to e-mail you a copy. Kind regards Mike Shingleton Saturday, August 4, 2007, 9:43:17 AM, you wrote: > Good morning list, > I wonder if someone can help with a little puzzle. > I am researching names on the WW1 memorial in Stoke Climsland and have a > H.Griffin. By a process of deduction, elimination and luck I think I've > identified him as Horace Johns Griffin. I have his death certificate and he > died locally in 1918, aged 19, of pleurisy and TB. On the certificate he is > described as ex-Private, Army Service, COEDs (just about legible. Can > anyone translate this for me?). No 318066 (Engineer). I cannot find his > name mentioned on the WW1 Medal Rolls, CWGC or any records I can access via > the internet. Given that he was only 19 when he died, I presume that he > might not have spent any time abroad. > Has anyone any suggestions for where I go next to get some more details of > him? Any idea what COEDs stands for? > Many thanks in advance. > Derrick Parsons > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Best regards, Mike mailto:shinglma_64@btopenworld.com

Hi list, Further to my earlier e-mail, it looks as if Horace John's service number on his death certificate is prefixed by "no.tr/tn". Presumable the no. is number but the tr or tn is a mystery, Any suggestions? Derrick Parsons _____________________________________________ From: Derrick Parsons [mailto:derrick.parsons@btinternet.com] Sent: 04 August 2007 09:43 To: 'GREATWAR@rootsweb.com' Subject: Missing soldier dilemma Good morning list, I wonder if someone can help with a little puzzle. I am researching names on the WW1 memorial in Stoke Climsland and have a H.Griffin. By a process of deduction, elimination and luck I think I've identified him as Horace Johns Griffin. I have his death certificate and he died locally in 1918, aged 19, of pleurisy and TB. On the certificate he is described as ex-Private, Army Service, COEDs (just about legible. Can anyone translate this for me?). No 318066 (Engineer). I cannot find his name mentioned on the WW1 Medal Rolls, CWGC or any records I can access via the internet. Given that he was only 19 when he died, I presume that he might not have spent any time abroad. Has anyone any suggestions for where I go next to get some more details of him? Any idea what COEDs stands for? Many thanks in advance. Derrick Parsons

Good morning list, I wonder if someone can help with a little puzzle. I am researching names on the WW1 memorial in Stoke Climsland and have a H.Griffin. By a process of deduction, elimination and luck I think I've identified him as Horace Johns Griffin. I have his death certificate and he died locally in 1918, aged 19, of pleurisy and TB. On the certificate he is described as ex-Private, Army Service, COEDs (just about legible. Can anyone translate this for me?). No 318066 (Engineer). I cannot find his name mentioned on the WW1 Medal Rolls, CWGC or any records I can access via the internet. Given that he was only 19 when he died, I presume that he might not have spent any time abroad. Has anyone any suggestions for where I go next to get some more details of him? Any idea what COEDs stands for? Many thanks in advance. Derrick Parsons

His mother's maiden name was Laura Dennis Johns - see FreeBMD Marriages 1897 Launceston. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Shingleton" <shinglma_64@btopenworld.com> To: "Derrick Parsons" <derrick.parsons@btinternet.com> Cc: <GREATWAR@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 8:10 AM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Missing soldier dilemma > Hello Derrick, > > As Lou had pointed out the papers for Horace John Griffin are amongst > the papers in WO 364 now published on Ancestry. > > They give some indication as to his background and circumstances. He > attested on 07/01/1917 was assigned to the Army Reserve the following > day and mobilised on 26/04/1917. A member of the Army Service Corps > (Its probably Corps not COEDS) he joined the depot at Grove Park on > 04/05/1917 and moved to Camberwell on 03/06/1917. > > Much of the rest of the papers are given up to medical reports > on the Bronchitis with which he was suffering. This led eventually to > his being discharged as physically unfit for service on 11/10/1918. > He was discharged on that date from Battersea Motor Transport Depot. > There is no indication that he ever served overseas and if so that > would explain his absence from the medal index cards. > > His next of kin is given as his mother Laura D Griffin (I can't make > out the middle name) and her address is given as Downgate Post Office, > Stoke Climsland, Cornwall. > > He appears, aged 2, with his mother and father on the 1901 census for > Milton Abbot in Devon. His father's name is given there as Frederick > and in 1901 he was a grocer and draper aged 32. There is a death > registered in the first quarter of 1908 for a Frederick Griffin (aged > 39) in Launceston Registration District (Vol 5c p21). This would > appear to be his father. > > I've only highlighted some of the information from the service record > and would suggest you look over the complete document yourself. I too > am happy to e-mail you a copy. > > Kind regards > > > > Mike Shingleton > > Saturday, August 4, 2007, 9:43:17 AM, you wrote: > >> Good morning list, > >> I wonder if someone can help with a little puzzle. > >> I am researching names on the WW1 memorial in Stoke Climsland and have a >> H.Griffin. By a process of deduction, elimination and luck I think I've >> identified him as Horace Johns Griffin. I have his death certificate and he >> died locally in 1918, aged 19, of pleurisy and TB. On the certificate he is >> described as ex-Private, Army Service, COEDs (just about legible. Can >> anyone translate this for me?). No 318066 (Engineer). I cannot find his >> name mentioned on the WW1 Medal Rolls, CWGC or any records I can access via >> the internet. Given that he was only 19 when he died, I presume that he >> might not have spent any time abroad. > >> Has anyone any suggestions for where I go next to get some more details of >> him? Any idea what COEDs stands for? > >> Many thanks in advance. > >> Derrick Parsons >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the >> word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > Best regards, > Mike mailto:shinglma_64@btopenworld.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Being an ex-Private he was probably discharged from the army before his death. Go to the local Record Office or library where they have the old newspapers on microfilm and there will almost certainly be a report of his death which should help. Regards Peter

Hi Derrick, I should have said that his discharge papers are on ancestry. Lou

Hi Derrick, The record of Horace John Griffin is on ancestry. If you don't have access I will be happy to download it and send it to you. Best wishes Lou

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I'm on the trail of another of "my men" - 30517 Walter Edwin DAY. CWGC gives his date of death as 23 May 1919 and his place of burial as Kranji War Cemetery, Singapore. According to CWGC he was a Company Serjeant Major with 78th Company, Royal Garrison Artillery. According to his MIC he was a Battery Serjeant Major in the Royal Garrison Artillery. Q1. In the context of the Royal Garrison Artillery, is Company Serjeant Major the same as Battery Serjeant Major? Q2. If not, could someone please enlighten me as to the correct hierarchical order of the various "Serjeant" ranks? Q3. Why would someone dying in Singapore in 1919 qualify for CWGC status? CWGC gives his age at death as 42. I have found him in both the 1881 and 1891 censuses but, whilst I can find his parents and siblings in the 1901 census, I cannot find Walter. Q4. Given his rank, his age at death and his posting (to Singapore) how likely is it that he was a career regular soldier? And therefore already serving overseas in 1901 (when he would have been 24 years old). Any additional information about 78th Company/Battery Royal Garrison Artillery or about the Royal Garrison Artillery in Singapore during WW1 would be much appreciated. regards, Peter Appleton Researching the men whose names are inscribed on the Skelton-in-Cleveland War Memorial

Hi there, According to the book "Ships of The Royal Navy" the last ship of that name was built in Bombay Dock Yard dated 19/01/1824, became a guardship in 1858 and was sold 07/04/1908. Unless there was a landbased depot called HMS Asia the only other mentioned and one that seems to fit the bill was a trawler requesitioned by the Admiralty in October 1914 and converted to a Minesweeper. It was lost on 12/09/1917 after being mined off Bressay. The Admiralty number of the vessel was 653 and the Port Registration No H. 829. Hopethis may be of some use toyou. Regards Gordon

Hello Charlotte, Whilst looking for something else, I did a search on Google for H.M.S.Asia and came up with over 1500 hits. Perhaps there is some info. amongst that lot which will help. Good luck, Regards, Mick.

Sorry should have added 12 Sep Asia H829 1905 Mined, North Sea, off Bressay Islands, Shetlands Regards Geoff Foster _www.thinblueline.org.uk_ (http://www.thinblueline.org.uk)