I have some questions for you very knowledgable people. I am researching seven soldiers from my home town who were discharged through illness during the war and died shortly after. I found the pension records of only five of them on Ancestry. One of those I couldn't find was definitely pensioned off as his obituary says so. The other was demobbed then died of pneumonia shortly after so perhaps he wasn't in receipt of a pension. Of the other five, one of the records clearly has two pages missing. There were supposed to eleven but there were only nine though parts of the missing pages could be seen in the photographs. My question is will I have to view the original records in Kew to copy these pages or will they be on the microfilm copy (or is it fiche)? Though these records are very informative, will there also be records of these men in WO 363? Finally, I have a good digital camera and was wondering if they copy well from microfilm or fiche. Regards Peter

There are any number of good books on the AEF which include material on training in France, which is where most real training took place. Information on occupation duty is harder to find. See for example The AEF and Coalition Warmaking, 1917-1918, David Trask (Kansas 1993) and Pershing and his Generals: Command and Staff in the AEF, James J. Cooke, Greenwood 1997). There are also any number of histories of the US Marine Brigade of the Second Division and its heroics at Belleau Wood. See Len's Bookshelf (_www.wfa-usa.org_ (http://www.wfa-usa.org) ) for the newest entry in this group of histories. Look under RESOURCES. There are several unit histories of the Second Division of the AEF. One is available from The Digital Book Shelf (_www.thedigitalbookshelf.us_ (http://www.thedigitalbookshelf.us) ); others will appear in a Google or other search. LGS ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Are there any good books about AEF training upon arrival in France or the Occupation of the Rhine bridgehead area after the Armistice? I am specifically interested in these subjects in regard to the AEF 2nd Division. Thanks, Mitch

Just been looking at these for a family member and there is a small form, W3214, that I have never seen before. It's a receipt for an 'Armlet and Pamphlet' dated 1 12 1916 any one know what this 'Armlet' was ? iain

Hello, everyone I'm new to this forum and I wonder if any of your ancestors were in the same unit as my grandfather? I've recently obtained his military papers and so have learned a little bit more about him. His name: Robert DAVIES. He enlisted in Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England, in September, 1909. >From what I can decipher from his papers, he began his short military career as a gunner with the 126th Battery, Royal Field Artillery. His unit mobilized at Preston, August 6, 1914. He was injured in Ypres on November 11, 1914. Abdominal shrapnel wound and a bullet through the elbow. He was transferred to the 7th Reserve Battery and later discharged from the RFA in April 1915 after it was determined that he was physically unfit to continue service. I've posted 3 photographs of my grandfather and fellow gunners here: http://kindredspirits.rootschat.net If any of you have any information about this specific unit or it you recognize others in the photograph, I'd be very pleased to hear from you. Thanks, Ros

Hi List, Just to thank everyone who replied with regard to John Hills service in the Labour Corps.Very much appreciated. Best wishes Lou

Ivor Lee sent 08 August 2007 17:44 > His number of 117718 indicates that he was one of the > early members of the Corps and served, initially at > least in 197 Company. ... Ivor, Many thanks for this - and the rest of your e-mail. Anything is very welcomed as it helps put something on the bare bones of this simple record. Chris

Chris I can add a little to his Labour Corps service. His number of 117718 indicates that he was one of the early members of the Corps and served, initially at least in 197 Company. I say initially as it was quite common for LC men to be moved to other companies. 197 was formed from Permanent Base men already serving in France so I think you can assume he was in this category - that is men who were medically unfit for front line service. 197 did not keep their own War Diary and there is little information about where they served. In January 1918 they were at Abancourt and in October 1918 they moved to Poperinghe. However there is very little on their duties - they were used to work on the roads and a few men were attached to the Central Purchasing Board in August 1917. Ivor

Mike I think that was my point :>) Until a year or so ago, the advanced viewer was incompatible with Firefox. I only changed to Firefox about 18 months ago, and was used to the advantages of viewing Ancestry via IE - when I switched, although some people might have found the basic viewer OK, I didn't find it a patch on the IE version. Even now, I still find Firefox slower to load the Ancestry pages, and the number of crashes increasing - this never happens with IE. Firefox is my browser of choice, but I still revert to IE for Ancestry. Regards ----- Sue On 06/08/07, Mike Shingleton <shinglma_64@btopenworld.com> wrote: > > Hello Sue, > > That surprises me because I've been using Firefox for a number of > years without any difficulty. I seem to recall that until about a > year ago the advanced viewer was incompatible with Firefox but the > basic viewer worked fine. > > I do think these pages failing to load are probably a browser issue > however. > > Regards > > > Mike S > > Sunday, August 5, 2007, 7:09:44 PM, you wrote: > > > Mike > > > Firefox has never handled Ancestry very well - census, BMDs, everything > > really. Until about a year ago it wasn't possible to access some of the > > features, like the buttons at the top of the page that let you scroll > > backwards and forwards through the pages. Then there was some sort of > > tweaking, and it improved, but now I get quite a few pages that fail to > load > > and just remain white, often followed by the inevitable crash. I tend > to > > use IE all the time now. But I do believe that many of the reported > > 'missing pages' are the result of browser incompatibility with Ancestry. > It > > would be interesting to know which browsers are being used when images > are > > failing to load. > > > Sue > > >

Hello Sue, That surprises me because I've been using Firefox for a number of years without any difficulty. I seem to recall that until about a year ago the advanced viewer was incompatible with Firefox but the basic viewer worked fine. I do think these pages failing to load are probably a browser issue however. Regards Mike S Sunday, August 5, 2007, 7:09:44 PM, you wrote: > Mike > Firefox has never handled Ancestry very well - census, BMDs, everything > really. Until about a year ago it wasn't possible to access some of the > features, like the buttons at the top of the page that let you scroll > backwards and forwards through the pages. Then there was some sort of > tweaking, and it improved, but now I get quite a few pages that fail to load > and just remain white, often followed by the inevitable crash. I tend to > use IE all the time now. But I do believe that many of the reported > 'missing pages' are the result of browser incompatibility with Ancestry. It > would be interesting to know which browsers are being used when images are > failing to load. > Sue > On 05/08/07, Mike Shingleton <shinglma_64@btopenworld.com> wrote: >> >> Hello Sue, >> >> That's interesting. I've not been getting missing pages but Firefox >> frequently crashes on these records whilst IE seems ok. >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> Mike S >> >> Sunday, August 5, 2007, 11:55:33 AM, you wrote: >> >> > Can I just add that I am frequently getting blank pages when using >> Firefox >> > as my browser, but that the same pages load perfectly well in Internet >> > Explorer. >> >> > Regards ----- Sue >> >> >> > Sue Light >> > [Lancing, West Sussex] >> > www.scarletfinders.co.uk >> >> >> >> >> >> > On 05/08/07, Mike Shingleton <shinglma_64@btopenworld.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hello Paul, >> >> >> >> Its a problem with Ancestry. A number of people have experienced >> >> this. I'm able to access the record. My advice would be to keep >> >> trying. >> >> >> >> If it continues to be a problem let me know and I will download them >> >> on your behalf. I could zip them and put them on my webspace for you >> >> to download from there. >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> >> >> Mike S >> >> >> >> Sunday, August 5, 2007, 10:53:59 AM, you wrote: >> >> >> >> > Mike, >> >> >> >> > I tried to look at the pension record of my grandfather Wilfred >> George >> >> > Glover on ancestry.com but when I click on view original image it is >> >> > blank. Do you think this is an error by ancestry.com or is it because >> >> > the document is missing/damaged/burnt? >> >> >> >> > Regards, >> >> > Paul Glover >> >> > Germany >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the >> > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Mike mailto:shinglma_64@btopenworld.com >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Best regards, Mike mailto:shinglma_64@btopenworld.com

Hi Mike and Sue, I still get a blank page irrespective of whether I use Netscape or Internet Explorer. Mike, thanks for the offer - I'll contact you off list. Regards, Paul Glover Mike Shingleton schrieb: >Hello Sue, > >That's interesting. I've not been getting missing pages but Firefox >frequently crashes on these records whilst IE seems ok. > >Regards > > > >Mike S > >Sunday, August 5, 2007, 11:55:33 AM, you wrote: > > > >>Can I just add that I am frequently getting blank pages when using Firefox >>as my browser, but that the same pages load perfectly well in Internet >>Explorer. >> >> > > > >>Regards ----- Sue >> >> > > > > >>Sue Light >>[Lancing, West Sussex] >>www.scarletfinders.co.uk >> >> > > > > > > > >>On 05/08/07, Mike Shingleton <shinglma_64@btopenworld.com> wrote: >> >> >>>Hello Paul, >>> >>>Its a problem with Ancestry. A number of people have experienced >>>this. I'm able to access the record. My advice would be to keep >>>trying. >>> >>>If it continues to be a problem let me know and I will download them >>>on your behalf. I could zip them and put them on my webspace for you >>>to download from there. >>> >>>Regards >>> >>> >>>Mike S >>> >>>Sunday, August 5, 2007, 10:53:59 AM, you wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Mike, >>>> >>>> >>>>I tried to look at the pension record of my grandfather Wilfred George >>>>Glover on ancestry.com but when I click on view original image it is >>>>blank. Do you think this is an error by ancestry.com or is it because >>>>the document is missing/damaged/burnt? >>>> >>>> >>>>Regards, >>>>Paul Glover >>>>Germany >>>> >>>> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the >>word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > >

On 05/08/07, Sue Light <light.sue@gmail.com> wrote: > > Firefox has never handled Ancestry very well - census, BMDs, everything > really. I've been using Firefox for about 4 years now and I've never had any problem accessing Ancestry using it and I've always been able to use the scroll buttons All in all I think it's a far superior browser than IE Diane

Mike Firefox has never handled Ancestry very well - census, BMDs, everything really. Until about a year ago it wasn't possible to access some of the features, like the buttons at the top of the page that let you scroll backwards and forwards through the pages. Then there was some sort of tweaking, and it improved, but now I get quite a few pages that fail to load and just remain white, often followed by the inevitable crash. I tend to use IE all the time now. But I do believe that many of the reported 'missing pages' are the result of browser incompatibility with Ancestry. It would be interesting to know which browsers are being used when images are failing to load. Sue On 05/08/07, Mike Shingleton <shinglma_64@btopenworld.com> wrote: > > Hello Sue, > > That's interesting. I've not been getting missing pages but Firefox > frequently crashes on these records whilst IE seems ok. > > Regards > > > > Mike S > > Sunday, August 5, 2007, 11:55:33 AM, you wrote: > > > Can I just add that I am frequently getting blank pages when using > Firefox > > as my browser, but that the same pages load perfectly well in Internet > > Explorer. > > > Regards ----- Sue > > > > Sue Light > > [Lancing, West Sussex] > > www.scarletfinders.co.uk > > > > > > > On 05/08/07, Mike Shingleton <shinglma_64@btopenworld.com> wrote: > >> > >> Hello Paul, > >> > >> Its a problem with Ancestry. A number of people have experienced > >> this. I'm able to access the record. My advice would be to keep > >> trying. > >> > >> If it continues to be a problem let me know and I will download them > >> on your behalf. I could zip them and put them on my webspace for you > >> to download from there. > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> > >> Mike S > >> > >> Sunday, August 5, 2007, 10:53:59 AM, you wrote: > >> > >> > Mike, > >> > >> > I tried to look at the pension record of my grandfather Wilfred > George > >> > Glover on ancestry.com but when I click on view original image it is > >> > blank. Do you think this is an error by ancestry.com or is it because > >> > the document is missing/damaged/burnt? > >> > >> > Regards, > >> > Paul Glover > >> > Germany > >> > >> > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the > > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > > -- > Best regards, > Mike mailto:shinglma_64@btopenworld.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The Labour Corps was formed in Feb 1915 and disbanded in 1921. I wonder if this entry should be read as "ex-cpl Labour Corps" David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delilah" <diamond6468@mindspring.com> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Query about Service > is this in the US, if so can you send me a copy to my e-mail? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Bellbo99@aol.com> > To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 4:30 PM > Subject: [GREATWAR] Query about Service > > > | Hi List, > | > | I am helping a friend find her grandfather,John William Aubrey > Hill,born > | about 1875. > | > | We received yesterday his youngest daughters birth certificate and it > reads > | > | Ex Cjol(?) Labour Co. > | > | Could anyone tell me what this means please. > | > | Thanks very much,and best wishes > | > | Lou > | > | > | > | > | > | ------------------------------- > | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > | > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

is this in the US, if so can you send me a copy to my e-mail? ----- Original Message ----- From: <Bellbo99@aol.com> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 4:30 PM Subject: [GREATWAR] Query about Service | Hi List, | | I am helping a friend find her grandfather,John William Aubrey Hill,born | about 1875. | | We received yesterday his youngest daughters birth certificate and it reads | | Ex Cjol(?) Labour Co. | | Could anyone tell me what this means please. | | Thanks very much,and best wishes | | Lou | | | | | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message |

Hi List, I am helping a friend find her grandfather,John William Aubrey Hill,born about 1875. We received yesterday his youngest daughters birth certificate and it reads Ex Cjol(?) Labour Co. Could anyone tell me what this means please. Thanks very much,and best wishes Lou

Hello Sue, That's interesting. I've not been getting missing pages but Firefox frequently crashes on these records whilst IE seems ok. Regards Mike S Sunday, August 5, 2007, 11:55:33 AM, you wrote: > Can I just add that I am frequently getting blank pages when using Firefox > as my browser, but that the same pages load perfectly well in Internet > Explorer. > Regards ----- Sue > Sue Light > [Lancing, West Sussex] > www.scarletfinders.co.uk > On 05/08/07, Mike Shingleton <shinglma_64@btopenworld.com> wrote: >> >> Hello Paul, >> >> Its a problem with Ancestry. A number of people have experienced >> this. I'm able to access the record. My advice would be to keep >> trying. >> >> If it continues to be a problem let me know and I will download them >> on your behalf. I could zip them and put them on my webspace for you >> to download from there. >> >> Regards >> >> >> Mike S >> >> Sunday, August 5, 2007, 10:53:59 AM, you wrote: >> >> > Mike, >> >> > I tried to look at the pension record of my grandfather Wilfred George >> > Glover on ancestry.com but when I click on view original image it is >> > blank. Do you think this is an error by ancestry.com or is it because >> > the document is missing/damaged/burnt? >> >> > Regards, >> > Paul Glover >> > Germany >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Best regards, Mike mailto:shinglma_64@btopenworld.com

Can I just add that I am frequently getting blank pages when using Firefox as my browser, but that the same pages load perfectly well in Internet Explorer. Regards ----- Sue Sue Light [Lancing, West Sussex] www.scarletfinders.co.uk On 05/08/07, Mike Shingleton <shinglma_64@btopenworld.com> wrote: > > Hello Paul, > > Its a problem with Ancestry. A number of people have experienced > this. I'm able to access the record. My advice would be to keep > trying. > > If it continues to be a problem let me know and I will download them > on your behalf. I could zip them and put them on my webspace for you > to download from there. > > Regards > > > Mike S > > Sunday, August 5, 2007, 10:53:59 AM, you wrote: > > > Mike, > > > I tried to look at the pension record of my grandfather Wilfred George > > Glover on ancestry.com but when I click on view original image it is > > blank. Do you think this is an error by ancestry.com or is it because > > the document is missing/damaged/burnt? > > > Regards, > > Paul Glover > > Germany > > >

Mike, I tried to look at the pension record of my grandfather Wilfred George Glover on ancestry.com but when I click on view original image it is blank. Do you think this is an error by ancestry.com or is it because the document is missing/damaged/burnt? Regards, Paul Glover Germany Mike Shingleton schrieb: >Bill, > > > >>are all Great War soldiers service papers published on Ancestry" >> >> > >Simple answer - no. Only some 30% to 40% of records have survived. >The vast majority of records of First World War soldiers were >destroyed during WW2. Those which survived are fire and water >damaged, often fragmentary (in terms of both individual pages and >complete records) and are known as 'the burnt records'. They can be >found on microfilm under catalogue class WO 363 at the National >Archives at Kew in London. > >There is another set of service records held on microfilm at the >National Archives in catalogue class WO 364. These papers are service >records which were being used for pensions purposes and being held >elsewhere survived the attentions of the Luftwaffe. > >It is these records which have just appeared online at Ancestry. > >My understanding is that Ancestry intend to put the 'burnt records' >in WO 363 online by the end of 2008. > >Hope this helps > > > > >Mike S > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hello Paul, Its a problem with Ancestry. A number of people have experienced this. I'm able to access the record. My advice would be to keep trying. If it continues to be a problem let me know and I will download them on your behalf. I could zip them and put them on my webspace for you to download from there. Regards Mike S Sunday, August 5, 2007, 10:53:59 AM, you wrote: > Mike, > I tried to look at the pension record of my grandfather Wilfred George > Glover on ancestry.com but when I click on view original image it is > blank. Do you think this is an error by ancestry.com or is it because > the document is missing/damaged/burnt? > Regards, > Paul Glover > Germany > Mike Shingleton schrieb: >>Bill, >> >> >> >>>are all Great War soldiers service papers published on Ancestry" >>> >>> >> >>Simple answer - no. Only some 30% to 40% of records have survived. >>The vast majority of records of First World War soldiers were >>destroyed during WW2. Those which survived are fire and water >>damaged, often fragmentary (in terms of both individual pages and >>complete records) and are known as 'the burnt records'. They can be >>found on microfilm under catalogue class WO 363 at the National >>Archives at Kew in London. >> >>There is another set of service records held on microfilm at the >>National Archives in catalogue class WO 364. These papers are service >>records which were being used for pensions purposes and being held >>elsewhere survived the attentions of the Luftwaffe. >> >>It is these records which have just appeared online at Ancestry. >> >>My understanding is that Ancestry intend to put the 'burnt records' >>in WO 363 online by the end of 2008. >> >>Hope this helps >> >> >> >> >>Mike S >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with >>the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Best regards, Mike mailto:shinglma_64@btopenworld.com