There is much guidance for researching Doughboy service records at the Doughboy Center website _www.worldwar1.com.dbc_ (http://www.worldwar1.com.dbc) (look under Second Army). Good luck! LGS ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Good afternoon, Is there a way to find more military information on a WWI vet? My grandfather Llewelyn Pierce Phillips came to the US with his family in 1907. They immigrated from Wales. He and his brothers all served in the war and became citizens after the war. His brothers are: John William PhillipsJr. Robert Pierce Phillips Roderick H. Phillips Ernest Phillips I would love to have military records or any military records on my grandfather or his brothers. Llewelyn was born 11 Nov 1892, immigration 5 May 1907, died June 1983. I don't know what is military rate or rank was but, I believe he and his brothers were all in the Army. Any information is greatly appreaciated. Thanks you, Barbara Ann Phillips bphil1@earthlink.net

All of the ships you mention were US Navy transports used to ferry troops to and from Europe in during WWI. The USS Aeolus was the former German passenger liner Grosser Kurfurst. The George Washington was also a former German liner of the same name seized when America joined the war in April 1917. Both of these also served in WWII as transports. You should Google the ships' names to find photos and other information. Or go the US Navy History Center site. LGS ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Hi Listers, Can some kind soul tell me where to find some info on the whereabouts of the above battalion on the 6th May 1916. My grandfather Joseph Longmore (14794) enlisted 7-10-14 at Brierley Hill in Staffordshire. He was sent to (Fort Staddon ?) Plymouth with the 10th Batt. until 31-12-1914. From the 1-1-15 until 31-5-1915 he was in Tavistock and then to Harrogate on the 1-6-15. On the will he made just before going to France he gives his name and number and 8th batt of the South Staffs. he went to France on 3-9-15. He was wounded (I think by shrapnel) 6-5-1916 in the Knee and elbow. He was then shipped home 3-6-16 to hospital, It looks like Metropolitan but I'm not sure, perhaps one of you would know, and from there to Lichfield Military Hospital. He was then transferred to the 14th Training Reserve with a new number TR/6/13091 until his medical discharge on 13-12-1917. I am interested to find out what part of France he was in and what Battles (if any) did he take part in. Thank you all for taking the time to read this email, and I would be very grateful for any and all help. Talk to you soon, Bill

I have posted some photographs of the USS Pastores, USS Aeolus and the USS George Washington at http://cdf-oregon.com/cdf/ww1/pastores.htm . If anyone can tell me the locations, dates they could have been taken or any other details I'd be grateful for the information. Thanks, Mitch

Could any kind lister tell me what the sentence below means:- "or evidence of having been marked with the letters D. or BC." On a Medical Certificate Examination dated on 27/ 06/1916. Thanks Gail Arkins _____ I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 419 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter <http://www.spamfighter.com/len> for free now!

On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 09:01:11 +1000, "Gail Arkins" <jarkins@bigpond.net.au> wrote: >Could any kind lister tell me what the sentence below means:- > "or evidence of having been marked with the letters D. or BC." >On a Medical Certificate Examination dated on 27/ 06/1916. Until 1871 soldiers were marked (called branding, but often a stamp or a tattoo) with the letter D to indicate they had deserted, and BC to indicate Bad Conduct. Doctors looked for these marks when they carried out medical examinations to see whether the soldier in front of them had previously deserted or been discharged for bad conduct. The following is taken from Diana Henderson's "Highland Soldier: A Social Study of Highland Regiments 1820-1920": ----------- Desertion was ex facie a serious offence, frequently coupled with making away with accoutrements or the sale of necessaries. The incidence of desertion was, it seems, often linked with an unpopular commander, an impending move overseas, the station of a regiment and the time of year. By virtue of the fact that the Articles of War were read at the head of the regiments regularly, the men must have been aware that desertion carried a penalty of transportation, stamping or tattooing (it was not really branding in the modern sense) with the letter 'D', corporal punishment or imprisonment, and yet some men persistently deserted and were equally regularly caught until they were transported or imprisoned. ----------- WO 33/22 at the National Archives apparently contains papers regarding the abolition of branding 1871. Forrest -- Forrest Anderson, Edinburgh, Scotland. E-mail: forrest@military-researcher.com Website: www.military-researcher.com Forrestdale Research - Military Genealogical Researcher

Hello Dominic, Might I suggest that you scan the photo & try posting the image to a Picasa web album. These albums can be viewed by invitation. No charge for the service & a free program download. I have tried this & seems to work fine. I posted a pix this way & there is a facility for it to be viewed by others. I have posted such an invitation ex GooglePicasa as an example. Off the cuff, your leather sash sounds like a leather bandolier - holds .303 ammunition clips. Regards, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cleary, Dominic" <Dominic.Cleary@aig.com> To: <GREATWAR@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 6:43 PM Subject: [GREATWAR] Prince of Wales's Own, West Yorkshire Regiment? > Dear listers, > > I have a WWI photo of a British uniformed soldier believed to be my great > grandfather. I have searched www.military-genealogy.com and discovered > what I believe to be the death notation for my great-grandfather. He was > West Yorkshire born and bred and the online record indicates that he was > in the Prince of Wales's Own (West Yorkshire Regiment), 2nd Battalion. > > I wish to know if this unmarked photo could be my great grandfather (my > grandmother strongly resembles the photo). > > Unfortunately it isn't a great image as the lower half of the photo is > quite faded. You can however see his uniform and make out the badge on > his cap, which looks like a crown of some description on top and beneath > that appears to be a horse (head/torso/front leg, facing towards the > wearers right side). The back of the horse appears to be covered by a > shape I can't make out - maybe a shield. This sits on a sort of > double/triple twisted/folded banner. > > It is quite a drab uniform otherwise. Obviously very heavy weave, nothing > on the epaulets except perhaps for some embroidery near the shoulder and > of course the required button to secure it. > > Interesting leather shoulder sash, almost appears like a series of pistol > holster top-flaps secured together, with flaps off each which I think I > can see between (not pockets?) > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Kind regards, > Dominic > > IMPORTANT NOTICE: > The information in this email (and any attachments) is confidential. If > you are not the intended recipient, you must not use or disseminate the > information. If you have received this email in error, please immediately > notify me by "Reply" command and permanently delete the original and any > copies or printouts thereof. Although this email and any attachments are > believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any > computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the > responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no > responsibility is accepted by American International Group, Inc. or its > subsidiaries or affiliates either jointly or severally, for any loss or > damage arising in any way from its use. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi David, He ended up being a gunner in the Royal Field Artillery. My first guess wasn't even close. Kind rgds, Dominic -----Original Message----- From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of David Dixon Sent: Friday, 17 August 2007 3:15 PM To: greatwar@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Prince of Wales's Own, West Yorkshire Regiment? Hello Dominic, Might I suggest that you scan the photo & try posting the image to a Picasa web album. These albums can be viewed by invitation. No charge for the service & a free program download. I have tried this & seems to work fine. I posted a pix this way & there is a facility for it to be viewed by others. I have posted such an invitation ex GooglePicasa as an example. Off the cuff, your leather sash sounds like a leather bandolier - holds .303 ammunition clips. Regards, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cleary, Dominic" <Dominic.Cleary@aig.com> To: <GREATWAR@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 6:43 PM Subject: [GREATWAR] Prince of Wales's Own, West Yorkshire Regiment? > Dear listers, > > I have a WWI photo of a British uniformed soldier believed to be my great > grandfather. I have searched www.military-genealogy.com and discovered > what I believe to be the death notation for my great-grandfather. He was > West Yorkshire born and bred and the online record indicates that he was > in the Prince of Wales's Own (West Yorkshire Regiment), 2nd Battalion. > > I wish to know if this unmarked photo could be my great grandfather (my > grandmother strongly resembles the photo). > > Unfortunately it isn't a great image as the lower half of the photo is > quite faded. You can however see his uniform and make out the badge on > his cap, which looks like a crown of some description on top and beneath > that appears to be a horse (head/torso/front leg, facing towards the > wearers right side). The back of the horse appears to be covered by a > shape I can't make out - maybe a shield. This sits on a sort of > double/triple twisted/folded banner. > > It is quite a drab uniform otherwise. Obviously very heavy weave, nothing > on the epaulets except perhaps for some embroidery near the shoulder and > of course the required button to secure it. > > Interesting leather shoulder sash, almost appears like a series of pistol > holster top-flaps secured together, with flaps off each which I think I > can see between (not pockets?) > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Kind regards, > Dominic > > IMPORTANT NOTICE: > The information in this email (and any attachments) is confidential. If > you are not the intended recipient, you must not use or disseminate the > information. If you have received this email in error, please immediately > notify me by "Reply" command and permanently delete the original and any > copies or printouts thereof. Although this email and any attachments are > believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any > computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the > responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no > responsibility is accepted by American International Group, Inc. or its > subsidiaries or affiliates either jointly or severally, for any loss or > damage arising in any way from its use. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message IMPORTANT NOTICE: The information in this email (and any attachments) is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use or disseminate the information. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify me by "Reply" command and permanently delete the original and any copies or printouts thereof. Although this email and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by American International Group, Inc. or its subsidiaries or affiliates either jointly or severally, for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use.

Thank you very much for the explanation and website. I have since done a simple Google search for Percy Thomas Etherton and found a wealth of information on him- quite the explorer and man by all accounts. Why I didn't think of it before I don't know!! Linda LShurtleff@aol.com wrote: The British Indian Army of 1914 was officered almost entirely by British subjects, King's Commissioned officers many of whom were schooled in the languages of their troops. The entire Indian subcontinent (now Pakistan, Bangladesh and India) was a British colonial possession until 1947. The 39th Garawal Rifles were part of the Indian Army Corps fighting on the Western Front in 1914-15. For a history of the British Indian Army on the Western Front in WWI see: Sepoys in the Trenches, Gordon Corrigan, Tempus, 2006. For suggestions on tracing the service of British soldiers, consult the WFA-UK website at _www.westernfrontassociaton.com_ (http://www.westernfrontassociaton.com) . LGS ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The British Indian Army of 1914 was officered almost entirely by British subjects, King's Commissioned officers many of whom were schooled in the languages of their troops. The entire Indian subcontinent (now Pakistan, Bangladesh and India) was a British colonial possession until 1947. The 39th Garawal Rifles were part of the Indian Army Corps fighting on the Western Front in 1914-15. For a history of the British Indian Army on the Western Front in WWI see: Sepoys in the Trenches, Gordon Corrigan, Tempus, 2006. For suggestions on tracing the service of British soldiers, consult the WFA-UK website at _www.westernfrontassociaton.com_ (http://www.westernfrontassociaton.com) . LGS ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Hi: Percy Thomas ETHERTON appears on the Indian Army Quarterly List for January 1912, rank Lieutenant, first commissioned 4 July 1903, in the 39th Garhwal Rifles. On Googling the Garhwals it seems that they were made up of mainly men from India - how would he have qualified to be in them? How could I find out more about his career, and what action he would have seen during WW1? Thank you, Linda

Hi Dominic, You don't give your ggfather's name or Brigade number, but a number of War Diaries can be downloaded for a fee from the website at the National Archives at Kew. Your ggfather's may be one of them. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cleary, Dominic" <Dominic.Cleary@aig.com> To: <GREATWAR@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 2:47 AM Subject: [GREATWAR] WWI Diaries - RFA > Dear listers, > > Having found my great grandfather's death, memorial and medal records, I > would like to obtain a copy of the war dairies for his unit and if > possible his service record. He was a gunner in the RFA so his name is > not likely to be mentioned in the diary, however I would like to > understand more of what his days and life would have been like before he > died. > > I have searched as best I can on the net, but have not been able to locate > them. A couple of listers have mentioned that they are held in the > archives at Kew. I live in Hong Kong so a personal visit is out of the > question. > > My question is this - does anyone know of a reliable and reasonably priced > researcher in that location who has had experience in locating and > retrieving copies of these diaries and service records? > > Kind regards, > Dominic > > IMPORTANT NOTICE: > The information in this email (and any attachments) is confidential. If > you are not the intended recipient, you must not use or disseminate the > information. If you have received this email in error, please immediately > notify me by "Reply" command and permanently delete the original and any > copies or printouts thereof. Although this email and any attachments are > believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any > computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the > responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no > responsibility is accepted by American International Group, Inc. or its > subsidiaries or affiliates either jointly or severally, for any loss or > damage arising in any way from its use. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Further to my impending visit to Kew, some of the men I am researching, apart from WW1 also served in the Boer War and one took part in the Boxer Rebellion so am I right to assume these service records will not be in WO 363 or 364? I also have a few Royal Navy and two Merchant Navy to research who died in the war. Are these records in the same department as the army and what is the reference please? Regards Peter

Dear listers, Having found my great grandfather's death, memorial and medal records, I would like to obtain a copy of the war dairies for his unit and if possible his service record. He was a gunner in the RFA so his name is not likely to be mentioned in the diary, however I would like to understand more of what his days and life would have been like before he died. I have searched as best I can on the net, but have not been able to locate them. A couple of listers have mentioned that they are held in the archives at Kew. I live in Hong Kong so a personal visit is out of the question. My question is this - does anyone know of a reliable and reasonably priced researcher in that location who has had experience in locating and retrieving copies of these diaries and service records? Kind regards, Dominic IMPORTANT NOTICE: The information in this email (and any attachments) is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use or disseminate the information. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify me by "Reply" command and permanently delete the original and any copies or printouts thereof. Although this email and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by American International Group, Inc. or its subsidiaries or affiliates either jointly or severally, for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use.

Peter, The records you want can probably be ordered from the Latter Day Saint (LDS) main library in Salt Lake City to be viewed at your local LDS Family History Center (FHC) library . I searched the WW1 records for my uncles that way. You order the roll of films you want to look at from your local LDS FHC. You pay a small fee and have to wait for a few weeks for the rolls of films to arrive at your local LDS FHC centre from Salt Lake City but its worth it to be able to look at the them locally rather than traipsing down to Kew. If you find what you are looking for you can get photocopies of them for a modest sum. Good Luck. Patrick Holland. Perth ,Western Australia Peter Metcalfe wrote: > I have some questions for you very knowledgable people. > > I am researching seven soldiers from my home town who were discharged through illness during the war and died shortly after. > > I found the pension records of only five of them on Ancestry. One of those I couldn't find was definitely pensioned off as his obituary says so. The other was demobbed then died of pneumonia shortly after so perhaps he wasn't in receipt of a pension. > > Of the other five, one of the records clearly has two pages missing. There were supposed to eleven but there were only nine though parts of the missing pages could be seen in the photographs. > > My question is will I have to view the original records in Kew to copy these pages or will they be on the microfilm copy (or is it fiche)? > > Though these records are very informative, will there also be records of these men in WO 363? > > Finally, I have a good digital camera and was wondering if they copy well from microfilm or fiche. > > Regards > > Peter > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Forrest These are the two names I have been unable to find on Ancestry. Perhaps it was because they died after the war. John Foulkes Owen (Pte) No. 13262 Depot Cheshire Regt Born: 1870 in Flint, Flintshire Address: Quarry Farm, Oakenholt, Flintshire He died in Feb 1920 and had only been recently demobilized from the Army Joseph Stanley Owen(s) No. Not Known Born: 1896 in Flint, Flintshire 1/5th RWF Address: Chester Road, Flint, Flintshire He was discharged at the close of 1918 and granted a pension He died in August 1920 I don't know his rank Thanks Peter

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 07:47:23 +0000 (UTC), "Peter Metcalfe" <Peter-redfern@runbox.com> wrote: >I am researching seven soldiers from my home town who were discharged through illness during the war and died shortly after. >Of the other five, one of the records clearly has two pages missing. There were supposed to eleven but there were only nine though parts of the missing pages could be seen in the photographs. In at least one case I have found that Ancestry did not take me to the first page when I went to view a record. I therefore had to use the Prev button to go backwards through the pages of the service record until I got to the beginning. Could you let us have the details of these two men so we could have a look ourselves? Forrest -- Forrest Anderson, Edinburgh, Scotland. E-mail: forrest@military-researcher.com Website: www.military-researcher.com Forrestdale Research - Military Genealogical Researcher

Patrick Great idea but I'm researching 180 men in total so even if only a third have survived it wouldn't be viable and it would take too long I fear. Beside I really want to visit Kew which I have put back now until early next month. Thanks anyway. Regards Peter

Hello Peter, See below Monday, August 13, 2007, 8:47:23 AM, you wrote: > I have some questions for you very knowledgable people. > I am researching seven soldiers from my home town who were discharged through illness during > the war and died shortly after. > I found the pension records of only five of them on Ancestry. One of those I couldn't find > was definitely pensioned off as his obituary says so. The other was demobbed then died of > pneumonia shortly after so perhaps he wasn't in receipt of a pension. Ancestry have confused matters by calling these pension records - these are service records which survived the blitz because they were being used for pension purposes and were therefore held offsite. They do not include records for every pensioner and they include an awful lot of records for men who never received a pension. Its even been known for one or two casualties to turn up. > Of the other five, one of the records clearly has two pages missing. There were supposed to > eleven but there were only nine though parts of the missing pages could be seen in the > photographs. This might be browser related. Let me know the details and I'll see if I experience the same difficulties. > My question is will I have to view the original records in Kew to copy these pages or will > they be on the microfilm copy (or is it fiche)? You can't view the original papers for this series - only the microfilms. There has been a rumour that the microfilms will be withdrawn once these papers are online for reasons of space (presumably the rationale being that the FRC has to move in to the NA and you can't fit a quart in to a pint pot). > Though these records are very informative, will there also be records of these men in WO 363? Yes there is some duplication. I would normally check both as papers can be found in both series. > Finally, I have a good digital camera and was wondering if they copy well from microfilm or > fiche. I've not tried it but a pal of mine swears by it. He reckons the result is much better that the microfilm printers (which is not saying much). The flexibility would be an obvious asset. Hope this helps > Regards > Peter > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Best regards, Mike mailto:shinglma_64@btopenworld.com