Hi Mike, Would you look up Samuel William or Guy Harvey MALLORY for me please? Both were b. in Ks. Thanks for your kindness, Marie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Shingleton" <shinglma_64@btopenworld.com> To: <Norfolk12@aol.com> Cc: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] re ww1 pensions

Vicky, The only Frank Read of the Coldstream Guards recorded on the Soldiers Died in the Great War CD was born in Quainton, Bucks. He died on 14th Sept. 1914. He was born about 1891. There are 9 other Frank Reads named on the CD but none born in Glos. Have you tried looking through all of the men named 'F Read' on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission website? They often have next of kin details recorded, which might help. Other than that you could try 'The Great War Forum'. One of the members there has a particular interest in the Coldstream Guards and there are many other knowledgeable members who might be able to help. Good luck, Ken -----Original Message----- From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Victoria Read Sent: 06 September 2007 09:53 To: greatwar@rootsweb.com Subject: [GREATWAR] Finding Frank Read Hello List I am trying to find information about my great uncle FRANK EUSTACE READ born 1894 Haresfield Wheatenhurst Glos to Thomas and Margaret. >From what I can tell he served in WW1 - and family legend has it that he served in the Coldstream Guards and never returned from the war. I have searched and searched records but I keep coming up against the proverbial brick wall and this is now frustrating and intriguing me. Does anyone have any information /methods of searching /look ups / tip /hints /ideas or even Frank in their collections please. Gratefully yours (and many thanks) Vicky ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List I am trying to find information about my great uncle FRANK EUSTACE READ born 1894 Haresfield Wheatenhurst Glos to Thomas and Margaret. >From what I can tell he served in WW1 - and family legend has it that he served in the Coldstream Guards and never returned from the war. I have searched and searched records but I keep coming up against the proverbial brick wall and this is now frustrating and intriguing me. Does anyone have any information /methods of searching /look ups / tip /hints /ideas or even Frank in their collections please. Gratefully yours (and many thanks) Vicky

Gunner's Mate 1st Class, Osmond Kelly Ingram's ship was the destroyer USS Cassin DD43, hit by a torpedo fired from a German U-Boot U-61 off the coast of Ireland on 16 Sep 1917, making Ingram the first official US naval casualty in WWI. Around here, they actually used to teach that sort of thing in the public schools. They renamed West Park "Kelly Ingram Park," and there was a statue. David Crider Birmingham, AL ======================================== Delilah <diamond6468@mindspring.com> wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delilah" Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 7:07 PM Subject: [ALJEFF] WW1 - FYI | Article printed in Birmingham Age-Herald, October 18, 1917 | | | "The first man on an American war vessel to give his life in the fight for | world freedom (World War 1) was a Birmingham, Alabama man, Gunner's Mate | OSMOND KELLY INGRAM, of the United States Navy. When a German torpedo struck | the destroyer on which INGRAM was a gunner, he was blown overboard by the | shock of the explosion and his body was not recovered. The attack took place | in the war zone waters off England." | | He was the son of Mrs. Betty INGRAM of Pratt City, had been a fireman for | Pratt City FD. | | Does anyone know the name of the ship? | | | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message | ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.

Does anyone know what the procedure would have been to bring home a war bride from Eastern Europe? Supposedly my cousin married another cousin while he was overseas with the army. His name was Morris Philmus and he was a mess sergeant in France. His bride, Eva Filmus, lived in Poland. The family thinks they were married in Poland. Would he have needed permission from the military authorities to marry? How would he have gotten her back to the states? Any guidance would be appreaciated. Thanks, Linda E. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/

-----Original Message----- From: Norfolk12@aol.com <Norfolk12@aol.com> Subject: [GREATWAR] re ww1 pensions > can any one check if there is any records for either > Cecil Stangroome or Thomas Christopher Stangroome > sorry i dont know of their regiments Carolynn Records found for both names. Cecil Stangroome - 4690, 24th County of London Regiment. Home service only (31/07/1915 - 20/05/1915). Discharged having made a mis-statement of age on enlistment. Thomas Christopher Stangroome - 2624, Reserve Battalion Post Office Rifles. Home service only. (09/09/1914 - 16/09/1914). Discharged medically unfit. Regards Mike S

Ministry of Pensions publication published by IWM states No 17 CCS at Remy Siding from 15.7.15 until 8.4.18. Dennis on 5/9/07 9:43 PM, Terry Evans at terry_evans@btinternet.com wrote: > Does anyone know the location of Number 17 Casualty Clearing Station in France > in June 1916?

Terry, No 17 CCS Hazebrouck Jul 15; Remy Siding Jul 15 - Apr 18; Arques Apr 18 - Jun 18; Ana Jana Siding Apr 18 and Sep 18 - Nov 18; Bourg Jun 18 - Sep 18; Les Trois Tilleuls Nov 18; Hal Nov 18 - Dec 18; Desrlych Nov 18; Verviers Dec 18; Duren Dec 18 - Apr 19; Cologne Apr 19 onward So it was at Remy Sidings in 1916. Remy Siding was in the hamlet of Lijssenthoek near Poperinge. Aye Malcolm -----Original Message----- From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Terry Evans Sent: 05 September 2007 22:44 To: ww1 Subject: [GREATWAR] Number 17 CCS Does anyone know the location of Number 17 Casualty Clearing Station in France in June 1916? Any help will be greatly appreciated Terry Evans ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone know the location of Number 17 Casualty Clearing Station in France in June 1916? Any help will be greatly appreciated Terry Evans

----- Original Message ----- From: "Delilah" <diamond6468@mindspring.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 7:07 PM Subject: [ALJEFF] WW1 - FYI | Article printed in Birmingham Age-Herald, October 18, 1917 | | | "The first man on an American war vessel to give his life in the fight for | world freedom (World War 1) was a Birmingham, Alabama man, Gunner's Mate | OSMOND KELLY INGRAM, of the United States Navy. When a German torpedo struck | the destroyer on which INGRAM was a gunner, he was blown overboard by the | shock of the explosion and his body was not recovered. The attack took place | in the war zone waters off England." | | He was the son of Mrs. Betty INGRAM of Pratt City, had been a fireman for | Pratt City FD. | | Does anyone know the name of the ship? | | | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message |

can any one check if there is any records for either Cecil Stangroome or Thomas Christopher Stangroome sorry i dont know of their regiments many thanks regards carolynn

Thank you to Forrest Anderson & to Derek Driscoll (who responded off list) to my request for information on Captain Beauchamp Proctor. I'll pass the information on to the Old Boys Union of his old school, SACS in Cape Town, this week. I know that the archive section of the schools history society will find the information of interest & store it in the school's archives for use at the appropriate time. The school's fallen are remembered at an annual comemoration parade Once again many thanks to forrest & Derek for the information Regards, Keith Kendal Keith Kendal

On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:16:37 +0200, "Kendal" <kendal@telkomsa.net> wrote: >I attended the last winter sports games at a local school in Cape Town this morning. After the matches we gathered in the sports pavilion. There is a photograph there of Captain A F Beauchamp Proctor, R.F.C. & lists his military awards. >I'm in doubt whether the school has any further information on him as his photograph is alongside that of J H Hofmeyr on whom there is more information >I will be very grateful if someone could possibly put on list the relevant extracts from the various London Gazettes.(I don't have broadband) >The awards are: V.C., D.S.O., M.C & bar, D.F.C. >I can then print out the information & pass it on to the archive section of his old alma mater. (Spectomur Agendo) Here are transcripts of the citations for this extraordinary young officer. Commissioned on 24 May 1917 at the age of 22, Andrew Frederick Weatherby Beauchamp-Proctor was awarded five gallantry medals within the space of just over 5 months (22 Jun 1918 to 30 Nov 1918). MC: -------------------------------------- LG 22 Jun 1918 <http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveViewFrameSetup.asp?IssueNumber=30761&pageNumber=11&SearchFor=&PageDuplicate=n&selMedalType=&selHonourType=> T./2nd Lt. Andrew Weatherby Beauchamp- Proctor, Gen. List, and R.F.C. For conspicuous gallantry and devotion to duty. While on offensive patrol he observed an enemy two-seater plane attempting to cross our lines. He engaged it and opened fire, with the result that it fell over on its side and crashed to earth. On a later occa- sion, when on patrol, he observed three enemy scouts attacking one of our bombing machines. He attacked one of these, and after firing 100 rounds in it, it fell over on its back and was seen to descend in that position from 5,000 feet. He then attacked another group of hostile scouts, one of which he shot down completely out of control, and another crumpled up and crashed to earth. In addition to these, he has destroyed another hostile machine, and shot down three completely out of control. He has at all times displayed the utmost dash and initiative, and is a patrol leader of great merit and resource. --------------------------------------- DFC: --------------------------------------- LG 3 Aug 1918 <http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveViewFrameSetup.asp?IssueNumber=30827&pageNumber=2&SearchFor=&PageDuplicate=n&selMedalType=&selHonourType=> Lt. (T./Capt.) Andrew Weatherby Beauchamp- Proctor, M.C.* A brilliant and fearless leader of our offensive patrols. His formation has destroyed thirteen enemy machines and brought down thirteen more out of control in a period of a few months. On a recent morning his patrol of five aeroplanes attacked an enemy formation of thirty machines and was successful in destroying two of them. In the evening he again attacked an enemy formation with great dash, destroying one machine and forcing two others to collide, resulting in their destruction. NOTE.—The asterisk denotes that the announcement of the reward has been published in the London Gazette, No. 30775, dated 2nd July, 1918, without the statement of service. --------------------------------------- Bar to MC: --------------------------------------- LG 16 Sep 1918 <http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveViewFrameSetup.asp?IssueNumber=30901&pageNumber=29&SearchFor=&PageDuplicate=n&selMedalType=&selHonourType=> T./2nd Lt. (T./Capt.) Andrew Weatherby Beauchamp-Proctor, M.C., Gen. List., attd. R.A.F. For conspicuous gallantry and devotion to duty while leading offensive patrols. He has lately destroyed three enemy machines, driven down one other completely out of control, and carried out valuable work in attacking enemy troops and transport on the ground from low altitudes. He has done splendid service. (M.C. gazetted 22nd June, 1918.) --------------------------------------- DSO --------------------------------------- LG 2 Nov 1918 <http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveViewFrameSetup.asp?IssueNumber=30989&pageNumber=3&SearchFor=&PageDuplicate=n&selMedalType=&selHonourType=> AWARDED THE DISTINGUISHED SERVICE ORDER. Lieut. (T./Capt.) Andrew Weatherby Beauchamp-Proctor, M.C., D.F.C. A fighting pilot of great skill, and a splendid leader. He rendered brilliant service on the 22nd August, when his Flight was detailed to neutralise hostile balloons. Having shot down one balloon in flames, he attacked the occupants of five others in succession with machine-gun fire, compelling the occupants in each case to take to parachutes. He then drove down another balloon to within fifty feet of the ground, when it burst into flames. In all he has accounted for thirty-three enemy machines and seven balloons. (M.C. gazetted 22nd June, 1918; Bar to M.C., 16th September, 1918; D.F.C. gazetted 2nd July, 1918.) --------------------------------------- VC: --------------------------------------- LG 30 Nov 1918 <http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveViewFrameSetup.asp?IssueNumber=31042&pageNumber=2&SearchFor=&PageDuplicate=n&selMedalType=&selHonourType=> Lieut. (A./Capt.) Andrew Weathorby Beauchamp- Proctor, D.S.O., M.C., D.F.C., No. 84 Sqn., R.A. Force. Between August 8th, 1918, and October 8th, 1918, this officer proved himself victor in twenty-six decisive combats, destroying twelve enemy kite balloons, ten enemy aircraft, and driving down four other enemy aircraft completely out of control. Between October 1st, 1918, and October 5th, 1918, he destroyed two enemy scouts, burnt three enemy kite balloons, and drove down one enemy scout completely out of control. On October 1st, 1918, in a general engagement with about twenty-eight machines, he crashed one Fokker biplane near Fontaine and a second near Ramicourt; on October 2nd he burnt a hostile balloon near Selvigny; on October 3rd he drove down, completely out of control, an enemy scout near Mont d'Origny, and burnt a hostile balloon; on October 5th, the third hostile balloon near Bohain. On October 8th, 1918, while flying home at a low altitude, after destroying an enemy two-seater near Maretz, he was painfully wounded in the arm by machine-gun fire, but, continuing, he landed safely at his-aerodrome, and after making his report was admitted to hospital. In all he has proved himself conqueror over fifty-four foes, destroying twenty-two enemy machines, sixteen enemy kite balloons, and driving down sixteen enemy aircraft completely out of control. Captain Beauchamp-Proctor's work in attacking enemy troops on the ground and in reconnaissance during the withdrawal following on the Battle of St. Quentin from March 21st, 1918, and during the victorious advance of our Armies commencing on August 8th, has been almost unsurpassed in its brilliancy, and as such has made an impression on those serving in his squadron and those around him that will not be easily forgotten. Capt. Beauchamp-Proctor was awarded Military Cross on 22nd June, 1918; D.F. Cross on 2nd July, 1918; Bar to M.C. on 16th September, 1918; and Distinguished Service Order on 2nd November, 1918. ------------------------------------------- You should check the page images yourself, at the links shown, to ensure that there are no errors in the transcription. Although he survived the war, and lived for another 2 1/2 years, he is commemorated by the Commonwealth War Graves Commission - see http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=127327 The following interesting extract is taken from "Courage Remembered: The story behind the construction and maintenance of the Commonwealth's Military Cemeteries and Memorials of the Wars of 1914-1918 and 1939-1945" by Major Edwin Gibson MBE and G. Kingsley Ward: ------------------------------------------- Captain A. F. .W. Beauchamp-Proctor VC DSO MC and Bar, DFC RAF Died: 21.6.1921 Buried: Mafeking Cemetery, South Africa Captain Beauchamp-Proctor was credited with shooting down 54 enemy aircraft before the Armistice of 1918, and subsequently left the RAF to return to his native South Africa. Later, however, he rejoined the RAF and, following aerobatics in his aircraft near Upavon, on Salisbury Plain, crashed and was killed on 21st June 1921, within the war period which ended on 31st August of that year. He was buried in the Church Cemetery at Upavon on 24th June 1921, as the church records clearly show. According to some authorities, however – but not the Church in Upavon nor any ecclesiastical authority in England – his body was exhumed and reburied in Mafeking, contrary to the policy of nonrepatriation. Some years later, a non World War service-pattern headstone was erected by the service authorities over his 'empty' grave in Upavon and it still stands. The South Africans had held an impressive funeral at Mafeking for their 'air hero' and are convinced that he is buried there. It seems odd that Church records which so meticulously state the date of death and burial, and grave location, should not state that the body was exhumed shortly afterwards – surely an important event, and obviously very much more unusual than burial. The service authorities probably erected the headstone in the belief that, as Captain Beauchamp-Proctor had died in 'peace-time', it was their responsibility to do so, having overlooked the fact that all service burials were the responsibility of the Commission until 31st August 1921, no matter what the manner of death. The Commission recognises Captain Beauchamp-Proctor's burial place as Mafeking, but others may wish to draw their own conclusions. ----------------------------------------------- Forrest -- Forrest Anderson, Edinburgh, Scotland. E-mail: forrest@military-researcher.com Website: www.military-researcher.com Forrestdale Research - Military Genealogical Researcher

Hi List: I attended the last winter sports games at a local school in Cape Town this morning. After the matches we gathered in the sports pavilion. There is a photograph there of Captain A F Beauchamp Proctor, R.F.C. & lists his military awards. I'm in doubt whether the school has any further information on him as his photograph is alongside that of J H Hofmeyr on whom there is more information I will be very grateful if someone could possibly put on list the relevant extracts from the various London Gazettes.(I don't have broadband) The awards are: V.C., D.S.O., M.C & bar, D.F.C. I can then print out the information & pass it on to the archive section of his old alma mater. (Spectomur Agendo) Many thanks Keith Kendal

Actually, the law creating the Army National Guard (replacing state militia) dates back to before World War One. The Guard performed most of the same duties then as it does now... LGS ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

A lot of these units came from the state National Guard units (not as we think National Guard today) and most of the Rainbow Divisision was made up of these units - I have a photo of the 151st Machine Corps group in the Rainbow Division. delilah evans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane wynne" <thewynnes@gmail.com> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] 3 photos of soldiers | On 15/06/07, George Smith <airforce@localdial.com> wrote: | > I don't think any are of the Machine Gun Corps as they all appear to be | > wearing Spurs which would indicate to me the are all from different | > regiments of cavalry. | | My grandfather enlisted in the Dorsetshire yeomanry. However, he ended | up in the infantry as I believe cavalry/yeomanry units were not viable | throughout WW1 | | So your relatives could also have started in such units and been | transferred. I have a similar picture of my grandfather, taken when he | first volunteered in similar uniform (especially the puttees) but none | taken later during the war. | | Diane | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message |

Irv Thanks for your reply. Many moons ago I visited Copenhagen Western Cemetery with my parents looking for the grave of Cpl THOMPSON. I had forgotten about this until Yesterday when I visited Agecroft cemetery in Salford, where I found the grave of my Great Granddad. At the bottom was inscribed Also Cpl Isaac Thompson Interred at Copenhagen This linked to the above. We have some of my dads old slides in the attic of the cemetery in Copenhagen. If I find them I will gladly send you a copy. Chris Gleave > > Indeed your man was a PoW on his way home. I have a medal group to a Rifleman Dimpsey who died at sea and was buried at Copenhagen - virtually identical details to your man. He was noted in the 1914 KRRC Chronicle as 'Missing' - but I've not been able to find documentation of Dimpsey's exact details as a PoW. His service history details are:> > > Trio to: Rifleman William George Dimpsey> 1914 Star with Bar, to:> > 7673 PTE W. DIMPSEY. 1/K.R.RIF:C.> > British War Medal, and Victory Medal, to:> > 7673 PTE. W. DIMPSEY. 1/K.R.RIF.C.> > Entitled to Memorial Plaque, to: WILLIAM GEORGE DIMPSEY> > [To France 22 August 1914 with the first reinforcement for the 1st KRRC]> > [Prisoner of War 2 November 1914 - Died at sea 4 January 1919> > File: Birth, Marriage and Death Index details> > 1891 British Census details> > Medal Index Card details> > Medal Roll details> > Commonwealth War Graves details> > Photo of Copenhagen (Denmark) Western Cemetery> > Served: 1st KRRC> > > > Irv Mortenson _________________________________________________________________ 100’s of Music vouchers to be won with MSN Music https://www.musicmashup.co.uk/index.html

Hi I am looking for any information on (or where I can start looking) 123342, Cpl Isaac THOMPSON of 6th Btn. Machine Gun Corps. He died 1 Jan 1919 and is buried in Copenhagen Western Cemetery, and I believe he was a released POW on his way home. He was born 1891 in Pendleton, Lancashire Chris. _________________________________________________________________ Try Live.com - your fast, personalised homepage with all the things you care about in one place. http://www.live.com/?mkt=en-gb

Chris: Indeed your man was a PoW on his way home. I have a medal group to a Rifleman Dimpsey who died at sea and was buried at Copenhagen - virtually identical details to your man. He was noted in the 1914 KRRC Chronicle as 'Missing' - but I've not been able to find documentation of Dimpsey's exact details as a PoW. His service history details are: Trio to: Rifleman William George Dimpsey 1914 Star with Bar, to: 7673 PTE W. DIMPSEY. 1/K.R.RIF:C. British War Medal, and Victory Medal, to: 7673 PTE. W. DIMPSEY. 1/K.R.RIF.C. Entitled to Memorial Plaque, to: WILLIAM GEORGE DIMPSEY [To France 22 August 1914 with the first reinforcement for the 1st KRRC] [Prisoner of War 2 November 1914 - Died at sea 4 January 1919 File: Birth, Marriage and Death Index details 1891 British Census details Medal Index Card details Medal Roll details Commonwealth War Graves details Photo of Copenhagen (Denmark) Western Cemetery Served: 1st KRRC Irv Mortenson ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Gleave To: Rootsweb Great War Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 2:40 PM Subject: [GREATWAR] New to list Hi I am looking for any information on (or where I can start looking) 123342, Cpl Isaac THOMPSON of 6th Btn. Machine Gun Corps. He died 1 Jan 1919 and is buried in Copenhagen Western Cemetery, and I believe he was a released POW on his way home. He was born 1891 in Pendleton, Lancashire Chris. _________________________________________________________________ Try Live.com - your fast, personalised homepage with all the things you care about in one place. http://www.live.com/?mkt=en-gb ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the info. I appreciate it. Barbara Ann Phillips bphil1@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <LShurtleff@aol.com> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] War Vet Llewelyn P. Phillips > There is much guidance for researching Doughboy service records at the > Doughboy Center website _www.worldwar1.com.dbc_ > (http://www.worldwar1.com.dbc) > (look under Second Army). > > Good luck! > > LGS > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message