Hi Denise, > On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:42:48 +0800 > You wrote: > "... on his second daughters birth in 1921 he is listed as Steam Pipe Fitter, Army Pensioner." In my own family history researches I have come across phrases like "Army Pensioner" on birth, baptism and census entries (all my examples are from the 1800s) and in each case it has turned out to be a statement that the individual was an out-pensioner of the Royal Chelsea Hospital. You may be looking in the wrong place if you are looking in the WW1 pensions database. It's so long since I did that research that I cannot remember how to set about finding out more. I'm sure that a search in both Google and the UK National Archives website (www.nationalarchives.gov.uk) will produce some fresh leads for you to follow up. Kindest regards, Peter Appleton

Hello, Does anyone know if the WW1 pension records on Ancestry are complete?, I have been having a devil of a time trying to find my Grandfather Edward Clayton b 1884 Bollington, Cheshire. On his first daughters birth certificate in 1917 his occupation is Munition worker, on his second daughters birth in 1921 he is listed as Steam Pipe Fitter, Army Pensioner. His address on both certificates was 17 Tennyson St, Salford. I have looked under every variation I could think of including his mother's maiden name of Fannon. Does anyone have any other ideas? Kind regards Denise

Denise Depends what you means by complete. The whole set of records is online so it is complete in that sense. However is you mean are these records for every soldier who received a pension then the answer is no. Let me explain. These are the records held in catalogue class WO 364 at the UK National Archives. They were commonly known until recently as the 'unburnt' records in comparison to those held in WO 363 which were known as the 'burnt' records having been largely destroyed during the blitz in WW2. The term 'pension records' wasn't really used until these records went online and is misleading primarily because they are service rather than pension records. The reason that they survived the bombing in WW2 was that they were being held elsewhere because they were being used for pensions purposes. It is this which has led them to being mistitled 'pensions records'. The problem with this is primarily that; a) they don't include records for every soldier that received a pension. b) they include records for soldiers who made a pension claim which was later refused. If you cannot find a record for Edward Clayton it is likely that it does not exist amongst these records regardless of whether he received a pension. It could be that a service record survives amongst the burnt records in WO 363 though only some 30% of records have survived. The records in WO 363 are due to go online by the end of 2008. Do you know the unit with which Edward Clayton served? Regards Mike Shingleton -----Original Message----- From: denise <djervis@dodo.com.au> Sent Subject: [GREATWAR] Edward Clayton WW1 English pension record > Hello, > > Does anyone know if the WW1 pension records on Ancestry are complete?, I > have been having a devil of a time trying to find my Grandfather Edward > Clayton b 1884 Bollington, Cheshire. On his first daughters birth > certificate in 1917 his occupation is Munition worker, on his second > daughters birth in 1921 he is listed as Steam Pipe Fitter, Army Pensioner. > His address on both certificates was 17 Tennyson St, Salford. > > I have looked under every variation I could think of including his mother's > maiden name of Fannon. Does anyone have any other ideas? > > Kind regards > Denise > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Forrest A follow-up on my research into Philip E Westney, together with a few more queries- Regrettably, Westney's service records appear to have been lost in the 'Burnt Records', however, I have found him in the National Archives First World War Pension Records which provides basic details of his military history from which the bulk of the following information was received. These records tie in with the info already held but also raise a few anomalies requiring some explanation which I feel you may be able to assist with. Westney originally enlisted on 29 December 1902. On 13 October 1905 he extended his service to complete "8 years with the colours" and went to India on 21 September 1906. On 1 October 1910 he transferred to the Army Reserve B, at his own request. He is recorded as have remained in India until 18 December 1914 and is credited with serving there for 8 years 89 days. First anomaly - (from Australian Immigration and Military records) Westney arrived in Melbourne, Australia, on 31 JULY 1914, from Calcutta on the ship Janus. On 4 August 1914 he 're-enlisted' in Melbourne, departed for the UK on 20 October 1914, and was mobilized at Woolwich England on 19 December 1914. HOW COULD A SOLDIER MIGRATE TO AUSTRALIA, GAIN EMPLOYMENT, RE-ENLIST IN THE IMPERIAL ARMY RESERVE, RETURN TO ENGLAND FOR MOBILIZATION, WHEN HE WAS ON RECORD AS HAVING BEEN IN INDIA ALL OF THAT TIME? Accumulated Rec Leave in the Army Reserve? Westney went to France from 18 February 1915 to 5 September 1918 from whence he went on furlough (presumably UK) before returning to France on 22 September 1918. Anomaly 2 Westney married Alma Rebecca Daly (a widow) in London on (Friday) 27 JULY 1917 (as per the Military History sheet in the pension records). IF HE HAD LEAVE FROM THE WAR, WOULD IT NOT HAVE BEEN MARKED ON HIS RECORDS! On 15 June 1917 Westney was awaiting trial for an unknown offence and was tried, sentenced and demoted (A/Cpl to Gunner) on 23 June 1917. IS THERE ANY WAY I CAN FIND OUT MORE ABOUT HIS CHARGE? Anomaly 3 A little over 3 weeks later (18 July) the London Gazette reported that Westney had been awarded the Distinguished Conduct Medal "For conspicuous gallantry and devotion to duty ......" FROM BAD BOY TO HERO IN 3 WEEKS! In India, Westney received two 'good conduct' badges and in France was mentioned in dispatches and received a Military Medal as well as his DSM. Any assistance you can provide to assist clarify these apparent anomalies would be appreciated. Geoff Dare -----Original Message----- From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Dare Sent: Tuesday, 27 March 2007 1:29 PM To: 'Forrest Anderson'; greatwar@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Westney P E, DCM. MM Forrest Thanks again The picture is starting to come together. Westney enlisted in Melbourne on 8 August 1914, three days before Australian enlistments began. So it makes sense that enlistment, even from Australia, at that date was in the British Army. This would also explain a very simple two page 'enlistment' record in our archives. When he first arrived in Australia is yet to be ascertained however he apparently left a young lady very pregnant in London. Perhaps that is why he came over here in the first place - shame and scandal in the family!!!!. Three weeks before enlisting, this young lady gave birth to a son in London. To give Westney his due, he eventually married this young lady, and together with his son, came back to Australia after the war. This son served in the Australian Army in the 2nd World War. They also adopted a family of British war orphans. The name Westney is very rare in Australia, with only about 6 in the national white pages. I suspect that they may well be related and will more than likely follow up on these. What started out as curiosity over an unusual entry on the Honour Roll has turned into a rather interesting, albeit small, piece of research. Your assistance has been very much appreciated. Regards Geoff -----Original Message----- From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Anderson Sent: Tuesday, 27 March 2007 2:57 AM To: GREATWAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Westney P E, DCM. MM On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 23:13:32 +1000, you wrote: >Westney was obviously a late addition to the memorial with his name being >out of order and his honours also being out of order. Perhaps someone thought they should be written in chronological order! >The past 48 hours, with a new bloodhound on the trail, has revealed all the >evidence I need to ensure that his name remains on the memorial as the most >highly decorated WWI veteran from the district. Good! He may not have been born in the area, which is the most common criteria for being on a local war memorial, but it looks like he settled there at some point and probably looked upon it as home. I wonder if he's got family down there? >To complete the story I think that I will obtain a copy of his service >records. Could you please tell me where I can obtain these? Is it from the >PRO in Kew? It is so long since I have researched this area that I have >forgotten. So long as he didn't serve in the British Army after about 1920-1921, there is a chance that his Service Record is at the National Archives at Kew. Not all these Service Records have survived, but for the 30-40% that have, they are on microfilm in the Burnt or Unburnt Documents collections (WO363 and WO 364). See <http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pathways/firstworldwar/service_records/s r_soldiers.htm> for more information. The microfilms are also available through the LDS Family History Library system. If he did serve after about 1920-1921, and the documents survived the bombing in WW2, then the Ministry of Defence probably still has them. Next of kin can apply for a copy for a fee of 30 GBP, as can other people with the written permission of the NOK - see http://www.veteransagency.mod.uk/service_records/service_records.html and http://www.veteransagency.mod.uk/service_records/army.html for info. Forrest -- Forrest Anderson, Edinburgh, Scotland. E-mail: forrest@military-researcher.com Website: www.military-researcher.com Forrestdale Research - Military Genealogical Researcher ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My apologies for the confusion caused by my typo; 1918 instead of 1917. All o/s matters are now in hand so thank you to everybody who offered help and advice. Alan Merryweather.

Chris The December 1918 date is a red herring - it should be December 1917. Flesquieres is on the battlefield of Cambrai. Though that battle officially finished on 7th December 1917 it would appear that 1/21 London Regiment were still taking casualties there three days later, viz; Addis, George Henry, 652948, Rifleman, NEUVILLE-BOURJONVAL BRITISH CEMETERY Merryweather, William John Edward, 653775, Rifleman, Flesquieres Hill British Cemetery Mills, Henry, 653400, Sergeant, Flesquieres Hill British Cemetery Nash, Frank Edward, 653256, Rifleman, Flesquieres Hill British Cemetery Philips, Mark Aubrey, 653913, Rifleman, Flesquieres Hill British Cemetery Smith, Gilbert Edgar, 652155, Rifleman, Arras Memorial all killed in action on 10th December 1917. Regards Mike S -----Original Message----- From: Chris Coomber <lechat@btconnect.com> Sent Subject: [GREATWAR] 18th Battn London regiment - War Diary August 1918 > Hi > > I recently obtained a book describing the movements of the 17th Battn London regiment (the > poplars) during WW1 based on a combination of a personal and War Diaries > > Is Flequieres Hill British Cemetery during December 1918 relevant to any particular battle? > > I could cross-reference it with my book? > > However, surely your's uncle medal record card would give you the relevant regiment with > which he was serving? > > Thanks > > Chris > ________________________________ > From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Alan Merryweather > Sent: Mon 10/09/2007 19:36 > To: Middlesex_County_UK-L@rootsweb.com; GREATWAR@rootsweb.com; LONDON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [GREATWAR] 18th Battn London regiment - War Diary August 1918 > Many years ago I looked at the War Diary which I believed was the one relevant to the unit of > The London Regiment my uncle served in when he was killed 10 December 1918. I had no means of > being sure it was the right one > He lies buried at Flequieres Hill British Cemetery > Have any other diaries been transcribed? > Alan Merryweather > Have now added my transcription of the war diary for the London Irish Rifles > for August 1918 where it seems that most casualties were caused by either > the enemy being "warned" of the attack or by our own barrage falling short > onto our own soldiers. > Details in the miltary section of my website at the link below. > Best Regards > Peter Rimell > http://www.rimell.u-net.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Chris There were no battles in December 1918, hostilities ceased at 1100 on 11 November 1918. Do you mean December 1917? Regards John Milner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Coomber" <lechat@btconnect.com> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] 18th Battn London regiment - War Diary August 1918 > Hi > > I recently obtained a book describing the movements of the 17th Battn > London regiment (the poplars) during WW1 based on a combination of a > personal and War Diaries > > Is Flequieres Hill British Cemetery during December 1918 relevant to any > particular battle? > > I could cross-reference it with my book? > > However, surely your's uncle medal record card would give you the relevant > regiment with which he was serving? > > Thanks > > Chris > > ________________________________ > > From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Alan Merryweather > Sent: Mon 10/09/2007 19:36 > To: Middlesex_County_UK-L@rootsweb.com; GREATWAR@rootsweb.com; > LONDON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [GREATWAR] 18th Battn London regiment - War Diary August 1918 > > > > Many years ago I looked at the War Diary which I believed was the one > relevant to the unit of The London Regiment my uncle served in when he was > killed 10 December 1918. I had no means of being sure it was the right one > He lies buried at Flequieres Hill British Cemetery > > Have any other diaries been transcribed? > > Alan Merryweather > > > > > Have now added my transcription of the war diary for the London Irish > Rifles > for August 1918 where it seems that most casualties were caused by either > the enemy being "warned" of the attack or by our own barrage falling short > onto our own soldiers. > > Details in the miltary section of my website at the link below. > Best Regards > > > Peter Rimell > > > http://www.rimell.u-net.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi I recently obtained a book describing the movements of the 17th Battn London regiment (the poplars) during WW1 based on a combination of a personal and War Diaries Is Flequieres Hill British Cemetery during December 1918 relevant to any particular battle? I could cross-reference it with my book? However, surely your's uncle medal record card would give you the relevant regiment with which he was serving? Thanks Chris ________________________________ From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Alan Merryweather Sent: Mon 10/09/2007 19:36 To: Middlesex_County_UK-L@rootsweb.com; GREATWAR@rootsweb.com; LONDON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GREATWAR] 18th Battn London regiment - War Diary August 1918 Many years ago I looked at the War Diary which I believed was the one relevant to the unit of The London Regiment my uncle served in when he was killed 10 December 1918. I had no means of being sure it was the right one He lies buried at Flequieres Hill British Cemetery Have any other diaries been transcribed? Alan Merryweather Have now added my transcription of the war diary for the London Irish Rifles for August 1918 where it seems that most casualties were caused by either the enemy being "warned" of the attack or by our own barrage falling short onto our own soldiers. Details in the miltary section of my website at the link below. Best Regards Peter Rimell http://www.rimell.u-net.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Chris, Perhaps this can help: http://www.cwgc.org/search/cemetery_details.aspx?cemetery=35500&mode=1 Janice USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Coomber" <lechat@btconnect.com> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] 18th Battn London regiment - War Diary August 1918 > Hi > > I recently obtained a book describing the movements of the 17th Battn > London regiment (the poplars) during WW1 based on a combination of a > personal and War Diaries > > Is Flequieres Hill British Cemetery during December 1918 relevant to any > particular battle? > > I could cross-reference it with my book? > > However, surely your's uncle medal record card would give you the relevant > regiment with which he was serving? > > Thanks > > Chris > > ________________________________ > > From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Alan Merryweather > Sent: Mon 10/09/2007 19:36 > To: Middlesex_County_UK-L@rootsweb.com; GREATWAR@rootsweb.com; > LONDON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [GREATWAR] 18th Battn London regiment - War Diary August 1918 > > > > Many years ago I looked at the War Diary which I believed was the one > relevant to the unit of The London Regiment my uncle served in when he was > killed 10 December 1918. I had no means of being sure it was the right one > He lies buried at Flequieres Hill British Cemetery > > Have any other diaries been transcribed? > > Alan Merryweather > > > > > Have now added my transcription of the war diary for the London Irish > Rifles > for August 1918 where it seems that most casualties were caused by either > the enemy being "warned" of the attack or by our own barrage falling short > onto our own soldiers. > > Details in the miltary section of my website at the link below. > Best Regards > > > Peter Rimell > > > http://www.rimell.u-net.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Alan - in order for anybody to be able to help you, you have to give some relevant information - such as your uncle's ID (name, number, etc). Also - killed 10 December 1918 ??? regards - Tom Tulloch-Marshall WW1 Military Research website - http://www.btinternet.com/~prosearch/index.html

Hello Peter, I would be happy to take a look at them. Kind regards Mike Shingleton Tuesday, September 11, 2007, 8:44:06 AM, you wrote: ===8<==============Original message text=============== >> Have any other diaries been transcribed? < > I was at the National Archives last week and photographed 11 pages of the diary of the 2/19th > London Regt 60th Division 180th Brigade covering the period 15th June 1916 to 31st July 1916 > but is difficult to read in parts so if anyone would like to attempt to transcribe it I will > gladly send it to them. > Peter > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ===8<===========End of original message text=========== -- Regards, Mike mailto:shinglma_64@btopenworld.com

Hello Alan, A number of war diaries have been transcribed by individuals such as Peter. However I personally don't know of any others for the London Regiment at present. That said the National Archives have started placing a number of war diaries online including some to battalions of the London Regiment. What was your uncle's name and battalion (the latter should be listed on CWGC)? Is that date of death correct? - there seem to have been a number of London men buried there who were killed on 10 December 1917. Regards Mike Shingleton Monday, September 10, 2007, 7:36:31 PM, you wrote: ===8<==============Original message text=============== > Many years ago I looked at the War Diary which I believed was the one relevant to the unit of > The London Regiment my uncle served in when he was killed 10 December 1918. I had no means of > being sure it was the right one > He lies buried at Flequieres Hill British Cemetery > Have any other diaries been transcribed? > Alan Merryweather > Have now added my transcription of the war diary for the London Irish Rifles > for August 1918 where it seems that most casualties were caused by either > the enemy being "warned" of the attack or by our own barrage falling short > onto our own soldiers. > Details in the miltary section of my website at the link below. > Best Regards > Peter Rimell > http://www.rimell.u-net.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ===8<===========End of original message text=========== -- Regards, Mike mailto:shinglma_64@btopenworld.com

> Have any other diaries been transcribed? < I was at the National Archives last week and photographed 11 pages of the diary of the 2/19th London Regt 60th Division 180th Brigade covering the period 15th June 1916 to 31st July 1916 but is difficult to read in parts so if anyone would like to attempt to transcribe it I will gladly send it to them. Peter

Hello manaia, Please make sure you address your comments to the correct list member. It's not Tom who is having difficulty in unsubscribing from this list. Otherwise your advice holds true. Regards Mike S Monday, September 10, 2007, 8:00:59 PM, you wrote: ===8<==============Original message text=============== > Hello Tom: > Please change the Subject line to reflect what it is > you are trying to convey to the list. > If you'd like to un-subscribe, please send your email > to the following address: > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com. > (NOTE: the word request) > If you are having difficulties un-subscribing from the > list, please give the list-admin a contact: > GREATWAR-admin@rootsweb.com > ~~ and/or ~~ > give me a contact (see addy above). > If you are are one of the "special people", I can > understand your malady regarding technology. > Or maybe a child is just having fun on your computer > today? (It's happened to me.) > Not a great idea to "piggyback" on posts that are > trying to benefit others doing genealogy. > Thanks and Bon Chance. > .... > Regards, > --Manaia > ++++++++ > --- Tom Tulloch-Marshall <prosearch@btinternet.com> > wrote: >> Please remove _dekerderk@aol.com_ >> (mailto:dekerderk@aol.com) from your >> mailing list Thank you >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >> to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's > Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. > http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ===8<===========End of original message text=========== -- Regards, Mike mailto:shinglma_64@btopenworld.com

Well Tom, you've spelt it out more than once to this person, but let's look again at this persons subscription, maybe they are too dense if they need to use AOL for their emails, and are not getting the footnotes with their emails. One must feel sorry for these AOL users who need AOL's excellent child protection programming - enough said. My apologies to Claire, but if this person needs assistance in unsubscribing why not save future hassle and permanently block this user from re-subscribing if they persist in using AOL. Alan ... Alan T... {East Midlands UK} Please visit our family genealogy site:- http://www.forefathers.homestead.com/ -----Original Message----- From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tom Tulloch-Marshall Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 6:48 PM To: greatwar@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] H.V. Tattersall died 10.2.1916 Please remove _dekerderk@aol.com_ (mailto:dekerderk@aol.com) from your mailing list Thank you ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message It isnt rocket science ! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many years ago I looked at the War Diary which I believed was the one relevant to the unit of The London Regiment my uncle served in when he was killed 10 December 1918. I had no means of being sure it was the right one He lies buried at Flequieres Hill British Cemetery Have any other diaries been transcribed? Alan Merryweather Have now added my transcription of the war diary for the London Irish Rifles for August 1918 where it seems that most casualties were caused by either the enemy being "warned" of the attack or by our own barrage falling short onto our own soldiers. Details in the miltary section of my website at the link below. Best Regards Peter Rimell http://www.rimell.u-net.com/

Please remove _dekerderk@aol.com_ (mailto:dekerderk@aol.com) from your mailing list Thank you ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message It isnt rocket science !

In a conversation last week with our 13 year old grandson regarding the Great War, my wife remembered she had, stored away in her box of treasures, a rosary given to her in the late 1930's by her grandmother. The story was that grandmother's brother had brought the rosary back from France and given it to his sister, but even this is conjecture as nothing is known about grandmother's brother except his name was Tudor and he came from Black Country in England. It is not known even if he survived the war. The rosary is obviously hand made with hand carved round beads made from bone that are linked with chain. The hand carved cross is unique in that in the centre of the cross ( not too accurately in the centre), is a very small circular brass holder containing a glass lens which if raised up to the eye with a bright light behind, reveals a collection of minute photographs. The heading above the photographs is ALBERT (SOMME), then BASILIDUE DE N.D.DE BREBIERES and BOMBARDEE PARLES ALLEMANDES with three photographs below. The first is of the original statue (VIERGE DE CLOCHER) of Mary holding above her head the babe Jesus. The second is of the Church ( AVANT LE BOMBARDEMENT) with the third photograph ETAT ACTUEL showing the church with the leaning statue at the top. There is a fourth photograph below the group of three but only the top is visible showing the leaning statue and it is impossible to read if there is a title. If one refers to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert,_Somme the story of the statue and the church during the Great War is told and photographs of the rebuilt church with it's remade statue are shown. My interest is in the origins of the rosary as the minute photographs shown point to the origin being between the German original bombardment and the British second bombardment, there is no date shown anywhere on the rosary or on the photographs. The assumption has to be that this rosary was quite common and with a guess they were probably made for sale to the "visiting" soldiers, but was this during or after the war ended and who would have made them? Any information or comments would be welcome.

LOL! My sincerest apologies to Tom - <G> - man with a great sense of humour. And "thank you" Mike S for sharing that tidbit. Well, <dekerderk@aol.com> (whomever you may be... un-subscribed I hope) you've certainly got my attention. LMAO! .... Regards, --Manaia +++++++++ --- manaia alofa <manaiaalofa@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hello Tom: > > > Please change the Subject line to reflect what it is > you are trying to convey to the list. > > If you'd like to un-subscribe, please send your > email > to the following address: > > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com. > > (NOTE: the word request) > > If you are having difficulties un-subscribing from > the > list, please give the list-admin a contact: > > GREATWAR-admin@rootsweb.com > > ~~ and/or ~~ > > give me a contact (see addy above). > > If you are are one of the "special people", I can > understand your malady regarding technology. > > Or maybe a child is just having fun on your computer > today? (It's happened to me.) > > Not a great idea to "piggyback" on posts that are > trying to benefit others doing genealogy. > > Thanks and Bon Chance. > .... > > > Regards, > --Manaia > > ++++++++ > > > --- Tom Tulloch-Marshall <prosearch@btinternet.com> > wrote: > > > Please remove _dekerderk@aol.com_ > > (mailto:dekerderk@aol.com) from your > > mailing list Thank you > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > > to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and > > the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433

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