As, I hope, you know, Rootsweb (and hence this list) is closing down tomorrow. The usage doesn't make it sensible to create a direct follow-on list but you might like to consider joining either (1) Nivard Ovington's WW1-UK group which has already migrated: https://groups.io/g/WW1-UK Note it says "For research into all facets of World War One concentrating on but not exclusive to the UK" so it should cover everything this list covers. (2) The newly migrated: https://groups.io/g/UKI-Military-Records Note the explicit inclusion of Ireland, and the stress on historic records (of personnel and units). We don't want discussions on current politics and campaigns! Malcolm. -- Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk>

Many thanks to all over the years for the help, advice and information given. Peter in Canada > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk> > Date: January 12, 2020 at 7:54 AM > > > On Sun, 12 Jan 2020 12:17:02 -0000, Peter Metcalfe > <Peter-redfern@runbox.com> wrote: > > > It looks like Rootsweb are closing down all their groups so I would just > > like to thank everyone who has helped me with my research over the > > years. It was very much appreciated. > > Indeed so Peter. From 2 March no more posts but the archive will remain. > The usage of this list is low, so I think I should suggest that you all > join Nivard Ovington's WW1-UK group which has already migrated: > > https://groups.io/g/WW1-UK > > Note it says "For research into all facets of World War One concentrating > on but not exclusive to the UK" so it should cover everything this list > covers. With reduced usage this is a good time to avoid duplication. > > Malcolm. > > -- > Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk> > > _______________________________________________ > >>> Please remove this footer from your reply <<< > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/greatwar@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community

On Sun, 12 Jan 2020 12:17:02 -0000, Peter Metcalfe <Peter-redfern@runbox.com> wrote: > It looks like Rootsweb are closing down all their groups so I would just > like to thank everyone who has helped me with my research over the > years. It was very much appreciated. Indeed so Peter. From 2 March no more posts but the archive will remain. The usage of this list is low, so I think I should suggest that you all join Nivard Ovington's WW1-UK group which has already migrated: https://groups.io/g/WW1-UK Note it says "For research into all facets of World War One concentrating on but not exclusive to the UK" so it should cover everything this list covers. With reduced usage this is a good time to avoid duplication. Malcolm. -- Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk>

It looks like Rootsweb are closing down all their groups so I would just like to thank everyone who has helped me with my research over the years. It was very much appreciated. Regards Peter

His medal roll sheet is (mis)indexed on Ancestry with surname Charles! : Henry Crossdaile Bowen CHARLES WO329/2389 frame 501 of 522  (Indian Army, letter R (as in Railway or Royal or Rajput) incidentally Frame 500 is for someone from the same Indian defence force unit as CHCB: Madras and Southern Mahratta Railway Rifles. but this adds absolutely nothing to what is on the Medal Index Card. More info anyone???? Pretty please! Happy New Year to all Harriet

The name of our man - with pleasure, provided it is just for members of this List.    Charles Henry Croasdaile BOWEN. Born New Zealand 1882. Always known to his mother and sisters as Henry. We know a lot about him in general (altho a few civilian gaps, perhaps to be pursued in other lists in due course).   It is really just the detailed war service that we are looking for, at the moment. He usually used the full 3 initials, but the Dec 1918 newspaper report in NZ for his Order of British Empire medal strangely only shows Henry C rather than CHC.  This report - see NZ Past Papers online - was presumably provided by his family and originated directly from him.  It says he was R.E. and constructing railways for the Mesopotamian Expeditionary Force. Technically the medal was an MBE, but he always referred to it in later life as an OBE.    I hope I have snipped excess stuff correctly! Harriet > We are trying to identify anything (!) more specific about our man's WWI   > service/unit, so that we can start to look for War Diaries.  But   > currently baffled by holes and contradictions in the available data. > Or - new idea - might all this ambiguity and vagueness actually suggest   > Military Intelligence or other covert activity? Christmas is over, Bah Humbug ...  Even Scrooge would be happy to do some elementary snipping of the message  being responded to in the interests of making the list archive less  cluttered and easier to work with. Happy New Year, Malcolm (list-admin)

On Sat, 29 Dec 2018 15:55:00 -0000, Harriet Garfitt via GREATWAR <greatwar@rootsweb.com> wrote: > We are trying to identify anything (!) more specific about our man's WWI > service/unit, so that we can start to look for War Diaries. But > currently baffled by holes and contradictions in the available data. > Or - new idea - might all this ambiguity and vagueness actually suggest > Military Intelligence or other covert activity? Christmas is over, Bah Humbug ... I have asked Harriett to post the name of this man. I have also not let through follow-ups asking for the name when they: (a) fail to remove the old list footer (b) needlessly repeat the entire original message Even Scrooge would be happy to do some elementary snipping of the message being responded to in the interests of making the list archive less cluttered and easier to work with. Happy New Year, Malcolm (list-admin) -- Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk>

Hello, I am new to this GreatWar list. You kind folks have been strongly recommended to me by someone on a more general UK Military Rootsweb list. We are trying to identify anything (!) more specific about our man's WWI service/unit, so that we can start to look for War Diaries.  But currently baffled by holes and contradictions in the available data. Or - new idea - might all this ambiguity and vagueness actually suggest Military Intelligence or other covert activity? What we have is: 1.The Indian Army Lists show him from mid-1915 in Indian Army Reserve of Officers as Infantry Lt and later Capt, but his Medal Roll Index card (and family tradition) simply says IARO and Royal Engineers, with no other ref number or any corps or unit or battalion.  The only other thing on his Index card is what appears to be a reference to a communication from India that listed his (two, very basic) medals - he is not in the Medal Rolls themselves, it seems.  2.Family tradition, and his gazetted MBE, suggest Mespot/Mesopotamia.  By trade he was a railway engineer in southern India, basically a civil engineer building bridges embankments etc although never a member of ICE.  So perhaps a very useful person in the REs in Mesopotamia.  After the war he was back in India, retiring to the UK in the 1930s.    3.Fortunately (but strangely - why still in the army beyond 1920?) he shows up on the MoD's list of army people serving beyond 1920 and born before 1901, which has given us a P number.  So for £30 the MoD might apparently condescend to tell us a bit more of what they might know about his wartime service. 4.Unsurprisingly, he is not in the 1916-onwards IARO recruitment index on the shelves of the British Library. 5.He is not in WO338/9, the surviving Correspondence files on officers. Does anyone have any experience of approaching the RE Museum in Kent with this limited type of vague info?   Can anyone else suggest anywhere else to look? Does anything here trigger any other ideas of how to tackle our problem? Any guidance on getting the best (?!) from the latest MoD search procedures would also be very welcome. Many thanks, and Happy New Year to all! Harriet in Wiltshire

You might like to know that I have checked with Rootsweb and confirmed that they no longer have a plain-text-and-no-attachments policy. This means that you can now post in HTML if you wish and you can attach images if you wish ... BUT ... The message size limit is going to stay at 40kb (at least for the time being) which means that many messages making use of HTML and/or attachments will be held for moderation. I will make the call as to whether the message is OK. For example, I will probably let through a 20kb image attachment but I'll not let through a 2Mb image attachment! In case you are unaware, an HTML message will be about three times the size of the equivalent plain text email. Also, an image attachment will 'swell' by about 30% in an email. So an image that is 20kb in your local disk will add about 26kb to the size of the email. Common sense should prevail. As an example, gratuitous HTML animations will not be appreciated! If you can say it in plain text, please do so. Malcolm. -- Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk>

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I won't pretend to understand what's been going of with rootsweb lists but, for better or worse, I have been made owner of this list and will remain so until Jim sorts out with Rootsweb why they thought it was an orphan. Meanwhile, can we please limit discussion to the GREAT WAR and drop the discussion about list adoption. If you do feel a need to reply to this message, please do so privately rather than to the list. Just carry on as before, Malcolm. -- Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk>

I find it odd that the email was signed "The Roots Web Team".  RootsWeb is the normal usage -- I've seen Rootsweb used, but never Roots Web. Is it for real? Lindsay Graham Canberra, Australia On 20/7/18 17:31, Peter Metcalfe wrote: > I've seen this on other Lists too. > > Peter > > > > On Thu, 19 Jul 2018 13:14:26 -0500, James Hatridge <James.Hatridge@gmx.de> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I thought that I was the admin for this group. What's up with this? >> >> JIM >> >> On 07/19/2018 10:02 AM, rwmailinglists@ancestry.com wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> RootsWeb Mailing Lists are up and running but we could use some help in getting discussions going again and maintaining the lists. This list is currently up for adoption! >>> >>> What does it mean to adopt a list? >>> >>> You will need to make sure your email is registered and verified. You can find instructions on how to do that here: https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/lists/setupadmin >>> >>> Once you are made the admin, you will receive emails asking you to approve messages and sometimes subscriptions. Once a month or so you should post something interesting to the list to try and encourage conversation -- even if it is something simple like a roll call. >>> >>> The time required is likely a few hours a month. >>> >>> If you are interested in being the administrator of this list, please send an email to rwmailinglists@ancestry.com with the list name in it and we will send you instructions. >>> >>> It doesn't take much time at all to maintain a list and getting reacquainted with your lists members. And it might just open some new genealogy doors for you. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> The Roots Web Team >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >>> >>> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/greatwar@rootsweb.com/ >>> >>> Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/greatwar@rootsweb.com/ >>> >>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>> >>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/greatwar >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/greatwar > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >

I've seen this on other Lists too. Peter On Thu, 19 Jul 2018 13:14:26 -0500, James Hatridge <James.Hatridge@gmx.de> wrote: > Hi, > > I thought that I was the admin for this group. What's up with this? > > JIM > > On 07/19/2018 10:02 AM, rwmailinglists@ancestry.com wrote: > > Hello, > > > > RootsWeb Mailing Lists are up and running but we could use some help in getting discussions going again and maintaining the lists. This list is currently up for adoption! > > > > What does it mean to adopt a list? > > > > You will need to make sure your email is registered and verified. You can find instructions on how to do that here: https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/lists/setupadmin > > > > Once you are made the admin, you will receive emails asking you to approve messages and sometimes subscriptions. Once a month or so you should post something interesting to the list to try and encourage conversation -- even if it is something simple like a roll call. > > > > The time required is likely a few hours a month. > > > > If you are interested in being the administrator of this list, please send an email to rwmailinglists@ancestry.com with the list name in it and we will send you instructions. > > > > It doesn't take much time at all to maintain a list and getting reacquainted with your lists members. And it might just open some new genealogy doors for you. > > > > Thanks, > > The Roots Web Team > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/greatwar@rootsweb.com/ > > > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/greatwar@rootsweb.com/ > > > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/greatwar > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi - I don't know - but suggest that you log on as admin and see what the settings are. Chris -----Original Message----- From: James Hatridge <James.Hatridge@gmx.de> Sent: 19 July 2018 19:14 To: greatwar@rootsweb.com Subject: [GREATWAR] Re: The GREATWAR list is up for adoption! Hi, I thought that I was the admin for this group. What's up with this? JIM On 07/19/2018 10:02 AM, rwmailinglists@ancestry.com wrote: > Hello, > > RootsWeb Mailing Lists are up and running but we could use some help in getting discussions going again and maintaining the lists. This list is currently up for adoption! > > What does it mean to adopt a list? > > You will need to make sure your email is registered and verified. You > can find instructions on how to do that here: > https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/lists/setupadmin > > Once you are made the admin, you will receive emails asking you to approve messages and sometimes subscriptions. Once a month or so you should post something interesting to the list to try and encourage conversation -- even if it is something simple like a roll call. > > The time required is likely a few hours a month. > > If you are interested in being the administrator of this list, please send an email to rwmailinglists@ancestry.com with the list name in it and we will send you instructions. > > It doesn't take much time at all to maintain a list and getting reacquainted with your lists members. And it might just open some new genealogy doors for you. > > Thanks, > The Roots Web Team > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/greatwar@rootsweb. > com/ > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/greatwar@rootsweb. > com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/greatwar Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi, I thought that I was the admin for this group. What's up with this? JIM On 07/19/2018 10:02 AM, rwmailinglists@ancestry.com wrote: > Hello, > > RootsWeb Mailing Lists are up and running but we could use some help in getting discussions going again and maintaining the lists. This list is currently up for adoption! > > What does it mean to adopt a list? > > You will need to make sure your email is registered and verified. You can find instructions on how to do that here: https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/lists/setupadmin > > Once you are made the admin, you will receive emails asking you to approve messages and sometimes subscriptions. Once a month or so you should post something interesting to the list to try and encourage conversation -- even if it is something simple like a roll call. > > The time required is likely a few hours a month. > > If you are interested in being the administrator of this list, please send an email to rwmailinglists@ancestry.com with the list name in it and we will send you instructions. > > It doesn't take much time at all to maintain a list and getting reacquainted with your lists members. And it might just open some new genealogy doors for you. > > Thanks, > The Roots Web Team > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/greatwar@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/greatwar@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >

Pte William Edmund Wheeler, No 241229 1/5th RWF Born in Portsea Island, Hampshire in 1872 Lived in Flint, Flintshire KIA in the battle of Gaza 26th March 1917 Pte Reuben Wiggins, No 240192 1/5th RWF Born in Wolverhampton in 1893 Lived in Flint, Flintshire Died of dysentery and pneumonia in Egypt 21st October 1918 On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 19:35:48 +0100, Tom Tulloch-Marshall via GREATWAR <greatwar@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Peter - Their identities would be usefull. > Tom Tulloch-Marshall > > WW1 Military Research > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Metcalfe [mailto:Peter-redfern@runbox.com] > Sent: 14 June 2018 16:42 > To: GREATWAR > Subject: [GREATWAR] Gaza or Egypt > > I have a soldier who died at the battle of Gaza yet the SDGW says he died in > Egypt. He is remembered on the Jerusalem Memorial. > > I have another soldier who died in 1918 of dysentery in Egypt (according to > the SDGW) but is buried in Jerusalem. > > Both were with the 1/5th RWF. > > I'm a little confused. > > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/greatwar@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/greatwar@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/greatwar@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/greatwar@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Peter - Their identities would be usefull. Tom Tulloch-Marshall WW1 Military Research -----Original Message----- From: Peter Metcalfe [mailto:Peter-redfern@runbox.com] Sent: 14 June 2018 16:42 To: GREATWAR Subject: [GREATWAR] Gaza or Egypt I have a soldier who died at the battle of Gaza yet the SDGW says he died in Egypt. He is remembered on the Jerusalem Memorial. I have another soldier who died in 1918 of dysentery in Egypt (according to the SDGW) but is buried in Jerusalem. Both were with the 1/5th RWF. I'm a little confused. Peter _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/greatwar@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/greatwar@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 16:42:12 +0100, Peter Metcalfe <Peter-redfern@runbox.com> wrote: > I have a soldier who died at the battle of Gaza yet the SDGW says he > died in Egypt. He is remembered on the Jerusalem Memorial. > > I have another soldier who died in 1918 of dysentery in Egypt (according > to the SDGW) but is buried in Jerusalem. It's not my area of expertise but might Egypt be the campaign or 'field of battle' rather than the country? I note from Wikipedia "The First Battle of Gaza was fought on 26 March 1917, during the first attempt by the Egyptian Expeditionary Force (EEF) to invade the south of Palestine in the Ottoman Empire during the Sinai and Palestine Campaign of the First World War." Malcolm. -- Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk>

I have a soldier who died at the battle of Gaza yet the SDGW says he died in Egypt. He is remembered on the Jerusalem Memorial. I have another soldier who died in 1918 of dysentery in Egypt (according to the SDGW) but is buried in Jerusalem. Both were with the 1/5th RWF. I'm a little confused. Peter

Petr > "He was not commemorated by the CWGC and there is no mention of a Silver War Badge on his medal card. The only "evidence" I have is from the two local newspapers ..." It would appear then that your man went under the radar, always assuming that his death resulted from war service. "One newspaper said he was discharged with a pension but there is no service record, which is rather odd I would have thought." Newspapers are notoriously innacurate. "There are two other names on the town memorial for which I can find no reason for. One was discharged with a pension due to a heart condition "not caused or aggravated by army service" and died two years later." If this man wasn't "In and by"(ie not caused or aggravated by army service) then its maybe strange that he is on the CWGC database (and I therefore assume he is in SDITGW as well ?). "And the other died on 29th Aug 1921 of cirrhosis of the liver and heart failure. .... There is another man whose name is not on it who died in 1920 and is commemorated by the CWGC." Not enough info to comment on those two. "I shall pass his name on to the RBL, along with a few others, and let them decide." Do the RBL have some influence over this memorial ? Tom Tom Tulloch-Marshall WW1 Military Research