I have it, we are now back to 1720 on the Gorin family tree (a 40 year gain) and when I get my brain together and can work on the family and still earn a living (tips are appreciated! <grin>) ... finally pieced together what I'd been working on - off and on all these year. I knew that somehow this had to fit, but kept putting it aside because I couldn't find the documentation. I am going to give you in dribs and drabs the skeletal finds; I have almost 100 pages of data to input to my genealogy program gedcom and I have to correct errors and flag some made by others. The family we tie into is a very confusing one and no matter what record you check - there are differences. But for now, here is the bare-bones pedigree with no flourishes. Background on the Gorin side. John Gorin, the eldest of the 3 mystery trio of John, Henry and Gladin, said, in his Revolutionary War pension app, that he was called on a couple of times during the war (he was a mere 13-14 yr old when he served) - one to provide more horses for the war effort and once to guard Washington's house. Henry Gorin, his younger brother, who also served, had horses. They came to Barren and Warren Co after being in other parts of the state in 1798. John still had beautiful horses; Henry wrote that he finally gave up his stables during the war of 1812 when the army kept taking them for the war. Back in the Fairfax area (John always said he was born in Fairfax Co "near Alexandria"), there lived in the same neighborhood per maps from that time, Gladins (of all spellings), Sanfords (of variant spellings), Harrisons, Pells and this unusual family whose name was spelled Goin, Goen, Gowen, Gowan, Goram, Gorum and Gorham. This is our family and explans why none of the Gorin biographies ever went back past the generation of John, Henry and Gladin. By the way, the Harrisons came to Logan Co KY at the same time and one of their sons married one of Henry's daughters. Now jump forward to Logan Co KY. It was early settled by a Gorham family from Fairfax Co VA who strangely enough named their children, John, Henry (normal names), Sanford, Gladin and Presylia. The earliest one in Logan Co was one Thomas Gorham whom I will soon cite. His children started marrying and having children in the early 1800's and in 1821, two of John Gorin's sons from here in Glasgow, moved to Logan Co. I wondered why - what was the attraction there? No interaction, on paper, is found between the two families, but the naming traditions continue (some until this day in both families). Well, Henry and I believe John's names also appear over there in the tax records very early. Some of the Gorham family head off early to Bourbon Co KY - I find a few references to our guys up there. A few of the early Gorhams were in PA at one time. I find in the Franklin Gorin book that I cherish so much, references to John Gorin making tobacco runs to Philadelphia before he came to Barren Co. One of his family moved to PA - I just found their family recently. Too many coincidences! So here as I said, is the barebone pedigree. I will get back farther - think I have it in my papers. John Gorham (of many spellngs) was born ca 1720 either in Deleware or somewhere on the east coast. He married a Mary _____, he died 1769 in VA - from all indications, in Fairfax Co VA. He had the following children: Thomas, born abt 1740 in Fairfax Co VA, known as the "Sir Knight". He died 1814 in Fairfax; married Margaret Cotton there in 1761. This is the line I'm tracing, but John also had John, Sanford, William, Thomas and Alexander. Sir Knight Thomas and Margaret had the following children: John W, Frances, Sanford, William B, Thomas J, Alexander, Elizabeth, Margaret, Elic, Mary Ann, Nancy, Joshua and Susan ... at least. John W was born 1762-64. There is a gap in children between Alexander and Elizabeth in 1770 and 1772; and there is a gap between Thomas J and Alexander 1767-1770. Henry was born in 1768 and Gladin in 1771. Of all the children of Thomas, the major one never traced is John W born 1762--63. One old letter states that he may have been a farmer in Logan Co (sometime after the Rev. War). But the man writing the letter made a lot of mistakes which have been caught. I believe within a .10 error margin that this is our John. Everything ties in from top to bottom. I searched today the census records on yet another Sanford Gorham, born by some records in 1798, born in most records 1811-1812, son of Sir Knight Thomas Gorham. He married a gal named Hulda and bounced back and forth between Logan Co KY, IN, TN and in 1880 was in LA. On the 1880 census, when he was a 68 yr old man, place of birth of parents is filled in. WALES. Now, it was his great-grandparents, not his parents who were born in Wales but he likely didn't undestand how the census taker asked the questions - sometimes they just asked "where was your family from?" Henry Gorin in telling his family said the Gorin's came from Wales and settled in "the Carolinas." Many, many of the Fairfax Co VA Gorhams moved back and forth and had family in South Carolina. In my next post tomorrow - I'll tell you the tale of three Goen brothers in Fairfax Co (which also was part of many other counties) and a long law suit involving horses and land not belonging to them that sounds very interesting! Sandi Colonel Sandi Gorin SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html SCKY surname registry sites: http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyclinto/reg.html http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyclinto/forms/SCKYreg.html Gorin Publishing: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/