First - it appears that you can't pull the information from ancestry.com unless you're a subscriber. That used to be a freebie, but it appears there is now a charge for it. I'm so sorry ... One of the greatest puzzles on the Henry Gorin line is on the Pells. We know that Sarah Pell, wife of Henry, was the granddaughter of one Richard Pell. He was known lovingly as the pig killer who fled or was forced to America. Stack that up against one of the meanings of the name Gorin which is "he who keeps pigs and dwells at the foot of the moutain". Think that one through - a marriage made in heaven! Anyway Dick Grigg is a Pell descendant and a Mormon and has been working for many years for documentation of the original Richard Pell's being a pig killer and arriving here in America. It's always been "oral history" and unproven. Here is what he found: Hi Folks, I recently put a querie on the Surrey, England Genealogy Forum and amazingly got an answer from William Hartley This was the original post made by Dick: Posted By:Dick and Angie Grigg Email: Subject:Richard Pell the pig killer Post Date:November 02, 2005 at 15:45:58 Message Looking for information on 3 men who were convicted of pig steeling in 1737 Richard Pell, James Matthews and Nathaniel Price. All were sentenced to Transportation and sent to Virginia. Here is the data that he was provided: Court Record as follows: > > Then in the first bundle I chose at random, after > only about half an hour's > searching I came across Richard Pell. I nearly > missed him because he is the > last of three people to be listed on quite a small > document. I couldn't > believe my luck, though the information in the > document is rather limited. It > reads:- > > 'Surry The Jurors for our Lord the King upon > their oath present that James > Matthews late of the Parish of St Mary Magdalen > Bermondsey in the County of > Surry Labourer Nathaniel Price late of the same > Labourer and Richard Pell > late of the same Labourer on the twenty third day of > ffebruary in the tenth > year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord George the > Second now King of Great > Britain [i.e.1737] &c[?] with force and arms at the > parish aforesaid in the > county aforesaid one pigg of price value of ffive > shillings of the goods and > chattells of one John Valentine then and there being > found feloniously did > steal take and carry away against the peace of our > said Lord the King his > Crown & dignity. > Michells' > > The following note in a different hand appears > against each of the three > accused: 'Pnts [Presents?] himself &c[?]- Guilty - > no chattels To be > transported for seven years'. So, the story is true. The term "late of so and so" meant formerly of. What a find and I'm thankful Dick Grigg pursued this. It was noted by another researcher that she had the same information and a copy of the sheepskin upon which the above was written! So the pig killer came to America, had children, one of whom (believed to be Richard Jr) married and had Sarah Pell who married our Henry. Sandi Col. Sandi Gorin - Publishing: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/ GORIN worldconnect website: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~sgorin