I've had a hectic week (and it's not done yet!) but thanks to a kind subber to this list, I've been given access to some records that I'm hoping will give us more clues to when and how and who of the Gorin family came to America. I searched the records for all variant spellings of Gorin in a time frame of 1600-1660. According to Henry Gorin (the middle bro), the family came to America from Wales in the mid 1600's and "settled in the Carolinas." So I searched the few entries for ships landing at Charleston (or any coastal city in SC) ... nothing. So I expanded and just did a search for Gorin and variants coming during that timeframe. The following records popped up - 5 records for a John Gorham and 5 records for a Thomas Gorham who came to VA. I ignored the same names for now of those coming to the northern cities. Henry didn't say that they landed in the Carolinas but they settled there. Most of the Gorham/Goram etal families in the early records of the Fairfax Co VA area kept moving back and forth between the Carolinas and areas that were near or in Fairfax (many county changes over the years). Here is what I found - now I am trying to find the actual books to see if there is more information - don't know if I can located them or not! Name: John GORHAM Year: 1635 Age: 18 Place: Virginia Source Publication Code: 1219.4 Source Bibliography: COLDHAM, PETER WILSON. The Complete Book of Emigrants: A Comprehensive Listing Compiled from English Public Records of Those Who Took Ship to the Americas for Political, Religious, and Economic Reasons; of Those Who Were Deported for Vagrancy, Roguery, or Non-Conformity; and of Those Who Were Sold to Labour in the New Colonies. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co. 1607-1660. 1988. 600p. Page: 151 Standard work. Includes lists of ships to Bermuda, Barbados, and continental North America. Indexes family names. Names of Jews are excerpted in Adler, no. 61. Care should be taken when using Hotten. There are two versions, one with accurate text and index, the other with poor text and the better index which does not entirely match the text. Therefore it is essential that only the following editions be used: all 1874 printings; 1931, New York; 1935, New York; and the G.P.C. printings from 1974 on. G.P.C.'s earlier printings had the poor text and the better index. Source Bibliography: HOTTEN, JOHN CAMDEN, editor. The Original Lists of Persons of Quality; Emigrants; Religious Exiles; Political Rebels; Serving Men Sold for a Term of Years; Apprentices; Children Stolen; Maidens Pressed; and Others Who Went from Great Britain to the American Plantations, 1600-1700. With Their Ages, the Localities Where They Formerly Lived in the Mother Country, the Names of the Ships in Which They Embarked, and Other Interesting Particulars. From MSS. Preserved in the State Paper Department of Her Majesty's Public Record Office, England. London: Chatto and Windus, 1874, 604p. Reprinted by Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, 1974. Repr. 1986. Page: 94 "PASSENGERS TO VIRGINIA IN 1635." In The Second Boat (Machais, ME), vol. 6:2 (August 1985), p. 62. Page: 62 From originals of the Master of Rolls, London. Articles in various numbers of the register. The late appearance of the final list was because it had been lost. Also in no. 9151, Tepper, Passengers to America, pp. 80-127. SOMERBY, HORATIO G. "Passengers for Virginia, 1635." In The New England Historical and Genealogical Register, vol. 2:1 (Jan. 1848), pp. 111-113; vol. 2:2 (Apr. 1848), pp. 211-212; vol. 2:3 (July 1848), p. 268; vol. 2:4 (Oct. 1848), pp. 374-375; vol. 3:2 (Apr. 1849), p. 184; vol. 3:3 (July 1849), pp. 388-390; vol. 4:1 (Jan. 1850), p. 61; vol. 4:2 (Apr. 1850), pp. 189-191; vol. 4:3 (July 1850), pp. 261-264; vol. 5:1 (Jan. 1851), pp. 61-62; vol. 5:3 (July 1851), pp. 343-344; vol. 15:2 (Apr. 1861), pp. 142-146. Page: 184 Contains 35 articles excerpted from The New England Historical and Genealogical Register, 1847-1961. About 17,000 names. Similar lists in Boyer, nos. 0702, 0714, 0717, 0720. Source Bibliography: TEPPER, MICHAEL, editor. Passengers to America: A Consolidation of Ship Passenger Lists from "The New England Historical and Genealogical Register." Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1977. 554p. Reprinted with new introduction and indexes, 1978. Repr. 1980. Page: 88 Thomas Gorham Year: 1635 Age: 19 Place: Virginia Source Publication Code: 1219.4 Primary Immigrant: Gorham, Thomas Source Bibliography: COLDHAM, PETER WILSON. The Complete Book of Emigrants: A Comprehensive Listing Compiled from English Public Records of Those Who Took Ship to the Americas for Political, Religious, and Economic Reasons; of Those Who Were Deported for Vagrancy, Roguery, or Non-Conformity; and of Those Who Were Sold to Labour in the New Colonies. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co. 1607-1660. 1988. 600p. Page: 150 Thomas Gorham has the same other sources as shown for John Gorham, basically the same page or next page - same ship. Interesting ... and thoughts? Sandi Col. Sandi Gorin - Publishing: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/ GORIN worldconnect website: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~sgorin