I have spent several long days and finally got a break-through on the Henry Gorin line .. but, alas, not on the Gorin line that can be confirmed ... yet. This is on the PELL line and I know that several of you have been able to go back farther. This is for you - about 23 more genearations! I finally tapped into an English genealogist who does the "big" families, compared it with some others, and believe it to be as accurate as can be for us in 2005. Sarah would be generation - we're going backward! Generation 2: Richard Pell born 1726 Surrey England. Immigrated about 1737 to Fairfax Co VA. He was married to an unknown spouse about 1759 in Kent, England. Generation 3: John Pell was born 1678 in London England; died in Philadelphia PA. He was married, spouse unknown. Generation 4: Father of John Pell was Sir John Pell and Rachel Pinckney. Sir John born 3 Feb 1642/3 London, England; died 1702 Pelham Manor, Wescester Co NY; md to Rachel 1672 in London. Rachel was born abt 1658 in Westester Co NY. Generation 5: Phillip Pinckney was the father of Rachel; born abt 1624 Buckingham, England; died Feb 1688/89 in Eastchester, Westchester NY; md to Jane PHIPPEN in 1624 in Buckingham England. She born before 1648 Cromwall, England; died same location as husband. Generation 6: George Phippen was the father of Jane; birth date unknown in Devon England; died July 1650 Truro, Cornwall, England. Married Mary PENROSE who died after 1650 in England; she also born Cornwall. Generation 7: John PENROSE was the father of Mary; born Helston, Cornwall, England; died Nov 1617 England; Married Judith TREFUSES in Cornwall. Judith was born after 1583 in Devon; died after 1616 England. Generation 8: John TREFUSES was the father of Judith; born about 1560 Devon England; died 22 March 1602/3 Miler, Devon, England. Married unknown date to Mary GAVERIGAN. She born England, died 2 Dec 1608 Devon. Generation 9: Richard TREFUSES was the father of John; born Devon; died 21 May 1594 Exeter, Devon, England. Married Mary TREVANIAN who was born in England. Generation 10: John TREFUSES was the father of Richard; married Ann COLAN. She was born and died in England. to be continued next post. Sandi Col. Sandi Gorin - Publishing: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/ GORIN worldconnect website: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~sgorin