I found him, I found him, I found him! Sorry about that. As you long-timers know, one branch of our Gorin clan got its spelling changed to Goren. We didn't know this until I was able to correspond with Gary on the list and found that his Goren's were "our" Gorin's. Anyway, the two of us have been hunting forever and a day trying to track three sons of James S. Gorin and wife Sarah Ellen Reynolds - all from Glasgow. These are from the JOHN Gorin line. The sons were: Samuel G born ca 1876 Glasgow William born ca 1878 Glasgow John Rogers born ca 1879 Glasgow (really Rocky Hill community outside of Glasgow.) (Gary's line). We had a few tidbits of info on Samuel - knew his wife was Winifred, had a dau Ruth born ca 1919 in TX. I found them on the 1930 Christian Co IL census - close to where the Henry Gorin line had lived earlier before moving on to Decatur IL and Louisiana, Pike MO. Gary knew that Samuel had been in Pueblo CO too; his wife and dau were born in TX. After hours of soundex checking Gorin/Goren, I just found what I was looking for and it's quite interesting. I couldn't find Samuel G under any spelling on the 1920 census. BUT, I just found his WWII draft record! Here is the information: Samuel Gideon Goren (though it looks like Gorin in his signature -just no dot above). Residence: Bonham, Fannin, TX Age 42, born 8 June 1876 White Farmer in Bonham Nearest Relative: Henry Gorin of Kansas City MO Height: Tall. Medium build. Light brown hair, brown eyes. This was dated 12 Sept 1918. I double checked to see who this Henry was. Are you ready for this? It was his 3rd cousin .... and a descendant of the HENRY Gorin line. The two families knew each other!!! I don't know why he didn't list his brothers William or John Rogers - at least John Rogers Goren went to TX and had ties to Kansas City. He likely wasn't married then to Winifred as the spouse is normally shown as the next of kin. They likely married the next year based on the birth of their dau - and married in TX. To me, this is a major breakthrough ... not only that I found his middle name, his complete date of birth, where he was living in 1918 ... but that his next of kin (or who to be notified) was a cousin from Henry Gorin's line instead of someone from his own (John) line! Whoopee!!! Now, if I can find William! I have a lead on a William in Chicago at the right time frame, but nothing confirmed yet. Sandi Col. Sandi Gorin - Publishing: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/ GORIN worldconnect website: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~sgorin