After not writing for ages, I'm hitting you hard again. Gary wrote me saying that I had forgotten that James S. Gorin and Sarah Ellen Reynolds had 4 sons, not three; the last one being Joshua. I would imagine he was named for his grandfather Joshua John Reynolds. I've spent the evening trying to find any record on Joshua and did find him, but with it a puzzle. It seems that James S. Gorin died before 1884 as in 1884 his widow married a J. W. McCormick. I believe that's the last name, the census taker's writing and spelling is some of the worst I have ever seen in my life. It's written J W Mccormc. He is shown as being born May 1859, age 41, born TN and had been married 14 years. Sarah Ellen is shown born May 1859, age 41, born in TN. Number of children she had birthed - 3, living 3. And living with them is Joshua GORRAN, age 19, born Apr 1881 in KY, a cook in a restaurant. We know by the 1880 census that James S and Sarah had 3 children. The 1890 census doesn't exist. By the 1900 census, they are in Shawnee, Cherokee, KS - and this family did live in KS for a time. But if Joshua is her son, as is obvious - it should say 4 children. Perhaps one of the sons, likely William, had already died and she didn't count him? Everything is misspelled on this page; Tennessee is spelled Tenisee ... nothing really is correct. However, I can't find Joshua past that census. Nor can I find Sarah later; but if her name wasn't McCormick of that spelling, I could be overlooking it. There are no military draft records on Joshua - nothing that I can find yet. Isn't genealogy a challenge? I hope I'm not boring you with these posts, if you have access to any records and want to help me play detective - jump right in!!! Sandi Col. Sandi Gorin - Publishing: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/ GORIN worldconnect website: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~sgorin