I know - I've been hiding for months, but I'm playing a hunch here. I just lost my subscription to ancestry.com ... rates high right now, economy low so I can't check a lot now. Anyway, someone sent me a query and I brought up my family tree and saw something I'd never noticed before (cleaned my bifocals and all!) For MANY years, the family has been trying to figure out where the first and/or middle name of Bartley came from that is used in our live from 1808 down to the current generation. Good old Henry Gorin married Sarah Pell - "our" line. They had a daughter Nancy who was born 8 January 1783 in either Fairfax Co VA or in KY (uncertain when the family moved but think they were in KY). She married on 27 September 1810 one George POLLOCK in Christian Co KY where Henry and Sarah had settled after going from Barren Co to Warren Co and then to Christian Co KY. George was born 17 August 1786 in Montgomery TN, the son of BARKLEY WILLIAM or WILLIAM BARKLEY POLLOCK (shown both ways) and Violetta S. NEVILL(E). Now - Henry and Sarah also had a son John Darns Gorin. John D was born 26 April 1790 - seven years younger than his sister Nancy. John D. was also born in Christian Co KY. The Pollock family was all in Christian Co KY at the same time (except George's father). Well, John D. had a son BARTLEY WILLIAM or WILLIAM BARTLEY Gorin born 16 Dec 1808 in Christian Co. His name is shown both ways on the old records. NOW - our Bartley, who was a physician, attended Transylvania University in KY. Many years ago, I wrote them to see if they had any records on Bartley. The only thing they had was his matriculation card where his name was shown as BARCLAY William Gorin.In the family Bible, tombstone, etc. he is always Bartley ... but isn't it interesting that the names are so close? There were no marriage ties that have been ever found, either in VA or in KY connecting a Bartley family with a Gorin family.. Barkley William died in Montgomery Co TN about 1808, the same year Bartley William/ William Bartley was born in Christian Co KY and where his sister Nancy married George Pollock in 1810. I know this marriage was 2 years after our Bartley was born - but could the families have been friends prior to this time and Henry knew Barkley Pollock? Montgomery Co TN is a border county with KY, right under the Christian/Todd Co KY area; and the next county over is Stewart Co TN where Henry Gorin's brother moved a few years later. Is it a coincidence? Thoughts appreciated!! Sandi Gorin Genealogical Publishing http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/