The State of MO is putting their death certificates on line. Here are the ones I found hurridly as we go under yet another tornado watch. John Peter Lynott. Male, white, married. Born Jan 15, 1843 (full date for us!) age 69 yrs, 2 months, 8 days. Occupation: Manufacture of Stoves and Churns! born near Vandalia IL. Name of father: John Peter Lynott, born Ireland. Name of mother: Nancy O'Brien, born Ireland. YES!!!. Reported by George E Lynott of Louisiana MO. Died of lobar pneumonia, at home in Louisiana, Pike, Mo.Died 23 March 1912. We have never had his mother's name and full dates! Mary Irving Gorin Grant, Died at Fulton, Calloway Co MO, 5 Mar 1915. Female, white, widowed. born 1 April 1867, age 47 yars, 11 months, 5 days. Housewife. born Springfield KY. Parents: M G Gorin (Rev Marcellus Gladden Gorin) and Joanna Knott. Died of carcinoma of wall of thorax recurrent after operation for carcinoma of brash? John Wilson Gorin, Kansas City, Jackson, MO.died 5 June 1914. Male, white single. Born 7 July 1867, age 46 years, 10 mos, 28 days. Druggist (his father was a physician). Born Missouri City. Son of Wm H Gorin (born KY) and Sarah Chancellor (born Missouri City). Reported by Sarah Gorin, 334 Monrton Street, Kansas City. Died of ???? puracyeis (Alsapeicie). I'll have to figure that one out. Burial Missouri City MO 6 June 1915. I'm going to be having cataract surgery on both eyes within the next couple of weeks so wanted to get this posted first! Take care, Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

The gal in Tazewell Co IL found a few newspaper items on the Gorin clan and I thought I'd pop in and share them since it's been way too quiet on this list! >From the Tazewell Independent, 25 Sept 1879: "On Monday night Miss Lizzie Gorin celebrated the attainment of her eighteenth birthday at the residence of her father, J. G. Gorin, Esq. A gay company of young people, numbering no less than forty, came together to do honor to the occasion. During the eveing ice cream, cake, and other delicacies were served, and a most delighful and enjoyable time was had.. He Independent sincerely wishes Miss Lizzie many happy returns of the day." (This is the grandau of Sanford Pell Gorin). >From the Washington Investigator, Thurs, 11 Mar 1858. "Administrator's Notice. Notice is hereby give that on Friday the 12th day of March next, we will attend before the county court of Tazewell county, at 10-o'clock, A.M., for the purpose of settling and adjusting all claims against the estate of S. P. Gorin late of said county, deceased; when and where all claimants are require to present their demands for adjustment. All persons indebted to said estate are also notified to make payment to the undersigned without delay." /s/ John G. Gorin, M. E. Davidson, Adminstrators. Same paper: "Married. On Monday evening, March the 8th, inst. by the Rev. Wells Andrew. Mr. John G. Gorin to Miss Julia E Word, of Washington. To the lovely Julia and our friend John, who have committed that awful deed, matrimony, the printers tender their humble acknowledgements for a portion of the spoils - acompanied with the ardent hope that the myrtle tree may ever flourish between them, and its fruit bless the labor of their hands. - Could that happy couple have seen our somidance with delight, as our eyes rested on the gold dollar and the golden cake that a friendly hand laid on our table, they'd a known that printers have feelings. They took the cars for New York the same night. Our best wishes attend them." Editor They don't write wedding announcements like that any more! Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

It doesn't take a lot to make me happy when I find a new tidbit of information. I mentioned in a previous email that a lady in Tazewell Co IL has been helping me track some some information on the Sanford Pell Gorin family there. Well, she just wrote me and found something else. When Sanford came to Tazewell Co from KY he brought a slave with him named Black Jack of whom one of our listers knows of. It was noted that he was buried in the family plot in Washington IL, highly unusual but did happen when a slave was especially loved. The lady there took a LOT of photos for me of the cemetery but could not find anything of Black Jack. So she did the following: "I just received the following email from the Tazewell Co. Genealogical and Historical Society that I think you will find the response interesting. "I just found an interesting item. You mentioned "Black Jack" who came from KY with Sanford Gorin and was probably buried in the family plot. (Page 35 & page 21 under Partials) In row 24 lot 3 there is a Jack _____ who died Oct 5, 1867 age 52. The stone was listed in the 1968 survey, but I could not find his stone in 2003. This is very possibly Black Jack. For what it is worth, I think the responder is right on target. Jane Gorin is in the 1860 federal census in Washington and she is the "head of the family". The last entry under her is Jack Gorin, age 42, born Kentucky, black, male. This would make him born about 1817. So I would lay odds that the reference to the individual above, which can't be far from where Sanford is buried, is probably Black Jack." I have been told many times that if a slave master was a good guy and really provided for his slaves, after emancipation that they kept as their last name that of their former master. Maybe this speaks well of Sanford! Sandi Col. Sandi Gorin - Publishing: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/ GORIN worldconnect website: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~sgorin

There is a dear lady who lives in Washington (Tazewell Co) IL by the name of Carol who found my Gorin website on line. She has been blessing me with some of the most wonderful information and photographs. She lives in Washington and lives very close to the old city cemetery (Old Glendale) and the Glendale Cemetery where a LOT of our Gorin family is buried. She has gone to the cemetery three days in a row shooting pictures for me and helping out. She has no Gorin ties but became familiar with the family more helping someone else with an Anthony line who ties in with our Gorin's. Sanford Pell Gorin, son of Henry and Sarah Pell Gorin, moved to Washington IL very early and raised a large family there. He was the brother of my daughters' line and I have a goodly amount of correspondence between he and his siblings. Carol has sent me photographs of the following gravesites: Sanford Gorin family plot, Virginia Gorin Davidson (d/o Sanford), Helen A (Hellena Davidson (granddaughter of Sanford), Julia Gorin, Julian Edward Wood, John H. Anthony, John Gladin Gorin (s/o Sanford), John Albro Anthony, Mary W Gorin, Ellen M Gorin (Nellie, d/o John G), Elizabeth Gorin, Sanford Pell Gorin, Mary E B Crane, Josiah P. Wood, Josephine Gorin Wood, Guy Worcester Wood, George W. Crane, Ellen Mary Wood, Eliza E Davidson Jones, Crane family plot, daughter of Josiah Wood. All of these are sons/ grandsons/wives/grandchildren of Sanford. A few weeks back, another gal from southern IN connected with me on the Davidson family from here in Barren Co who moved to Eureka, Woodford, IL and one of their sons, Marshall, married Sanford's daughter, Virginia C (who is buried as noted above). She sent me photographs of the graves of Martha Glazebrook Davidson (wife of Caleb), Marhall and Mary Davidson, Clara L Davidson, Caleb Davidson, Clara Gorin, along with photos of the Caleb Davidson family in 1902, Marshall Davidson with dau Clara and a portrait of James D. Davidson. This covers the Woodford and Tazewell Co IL Gorin family beautifully. Carol above is also sending me more obituaries on the Gorin deaths in Washington IL which gives a peak inside the lives of our early ancestors. As my dau Kris is supposed to be married in June, I will be starting on another volume of the Gorin chronicles after that time. I have about 100 pages of new data plus all these pictures. I'm so thankful for the kindness of people, sometimes unrelated, who help make our family tree more personal! Sandi

A quick note before I crash - fighting off "something" that has had me down about a week. Check out the below website from the VA government site. Has a massive list of burials for soldiers who are buried in military cemeteries. I found about 10 or so of our Gorin's - gives their rank and branch of service, birth and death dates, cemetery, location in the cemetery, a link to that cemetery. Not just VA soldiers - all of them. http://gravelocator.cem.va.gov/j2ee/servlet/NGL_v1 A sweet gal in McLean Co IL has been working with me tonight after finding my Gorin website. She filled in a ton of blanks for me on the descendants of Sanford Pell Gorin who moved to Washington, Tazewell, IL - he was a brother of John Darns Gorin of my daughters' line. She sent a lot of obituaries too and eventually I'll get them posted. I have just updated my Gorin gedcom on World Connect (URL is in my signature line) with the new information too. A belated Happy New Year and best wishes for the coming year! Sandi' Col. Sandi Gorin - Publishing: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/ GORIN worldconnect website: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~sgorin

I just wanted to stop by to say Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all of you Gorin kin. I've been taking a little time off from my regular work for others and found some new Gorin data that some of you might be interested in and want to list it below: History of Tood and Christian, Kentucky, Historical and Biographica, Chicago, F A Batty, 1884, p. 60: (Todd Co). On May 8, 1820, pursuant to the act of General Assembly forming the county, James Glenn, Robert Coleman, HENRY GORIN,...... met at the house of James Kendall and organized the first magisterial court of Todd County. Page 301. Dr. John O. McReynolds, of Elkton, Todd County, Ky. is one of the prominent physicians of southern Kentucky and was born in Appomattox County, Va., November 30, 1827; he descends from Scotch-Irish ancestors, who were first represented in the United States by James and John McReynolds with their widowed mother. They settled in Pennsylvania but soon after moved to Virginia from whence have emanated James C. and Mary B. McReynolds, emigrated to Kentucky in 1833, settling in Trigg County, where they died, the mother in 1836, and the father in 1844. In 1846, John O. came to Elkton, Todd County, and studied medicine under Dr. James A. McReynolds; entered the Jefferson Medical College of Philadelphia in 1847; ....... he has been twice married, first to Miss Julia P. Gorin in 1858, who died the same year...." Henry spoken of in the first citation was Henry Gorin, brother of John and Gladin. Julia Gorin was the daughter of Henry Gorin and Maria Whitaker - this Henry being the son of John and Elizabeth Franklin Gorin of Glasgow. Jerome Gorin, grandson of Henry and Sarah Pell Gorin was a member of the Illinois House of Representatives, 12th General Assembly, 5 Jan 1857. Switzler's Illustrated History of Missouri from 1541 to 1871, St. Louis, C R Barns, 1879, p. 323. "On Thursday, February 28th, 1861, the Convential (Gamble State) assembled in the court house in Jefferson City (MO), and the following gentlemen presented certificates of election: 5th District: Henry M. Gorin ..." Henry Madison Gorin was the son of John Darns Gorin and Martha Thomas Gorin, grandson of Henry and Sarah Pell Gorin. According to the R L Polk Directory of Pueblo Co CO 1913-1919, Scott Lively Gorin and wife Henrietta were residents of Pueblo CO. Scott gg-grandson of Gladin and Nancy Hinch Gorin. A History of Greene and Jersey Counties, Illinois, Springfield, Illinois, Continental Historical Co., 1885. "On Monday, December 6, 1869, J M Hurd, county judge; Caleb Noble and G W GORIN, associates justices, entered upon the duties of the county court, having been elected to those offices at the regular election that fall (Page 90). "J M Hurd was duly elected to the office of county judge in the fall of 1869, and entering upon the duties of the office with Caleb Noble and G W GORIN as associate justices carried on the business of the county for the ensuing three years, when he resigned." (p. 216). George Washing Gorin was the son of Gladin Gorin and Nancy Hinch. Histosry of Dewitt County, Illinois, Pioneer Publishing Co., 1910. Page 267: In December, 1832, Dr. Henry Gorin settled in Barnett township and began the practice of medicine and surgery. He was a native of Missouri and upon his arrival in Illinois stopped a while at Decatur. He remained in Barnett township about one year and then returned to his native state." Page 405: "Other old settlers were ..... Dr. Henry M. Gorin ..." This is Henry Madison Gorin above who a physician, a teacher, and owned a mercantile during his life time, plus being a state rep. That's it for this year! Sandi

You never know when and where information will pop up. I recently was web browsing and saw a family tree on the Davidson family; in particular Marshall Emory Davidson. I knew that this Davidson family had come from Glasgow KY and is well known here. I have been corresponding with the publisher of this web site, Rebecca Davidson who has been an abundant source of information. Marshall Emory Davidson married Virginia Catherine Gorin, daughter of Sanford Pell Gorin and Martha Ann or Jane Gant. Sanford was the son of Henry and Sarah Pell Gorin and brother to John Darns Gorin. John D Gorin had settled in Vandalia IL when it was the capitol of IL and died there. Sanford and his family moved up to Woodford/Tazewell Co IL as did the Davidsons from here; they appeared to be part of the "traveling church" coming out of the oldest Baptist church here in Barren Co, Mt. Tabor. Marshall's father was Caleb Davidson and his entire family ended up in what is now Eureka IL. Rebecca sent me some notes from the Christian Church (Church of Christ) at Eureka and among the constituting members (1st members) were Richard B and Isabel McCorkle. "Richard Blythe McCorkle, the other founding elder, was born in North Carolina in 1786. In 1811 he married Isabel Campbell who had been born in Lincoln County, Ky, in Lebanon County, Tenn. They came to southern Illinois and then on to Tazewell County in the twenties. They were living in Holland's Grove when the church was organized. A son, J.B. Mc Corkle, later moved to Walnut Grove and lived on a farm south of Eureka College." Richard B's son Miles Blythe McCorkle married Martha Ann Gorin, another daughter of Sanford Pell Gorin. In another paper sent to me by Rebecca is the History of Eureka by Annie E. Davidson. She names the early settlers of what became Eureka which included the Majors, Dickinsons, Radfords, Davenports, Deweeses, Atterberries, Davidsons as the leading "spirits". All of these families came from Barren Co and the Atterberry family is my aunt's line. The Davidson farm was later deeded to Eureka College where they were among the founders. It is amazing sometimes to find little tidbits like this; my own family came from Logan Co IL and we lived in Peoria IL for some time; but I was too young in genealogy at that time that a few miles north of us were Gorin descendants. Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

You all know that when I post, I'm trying to give you new information on the Gorin clan. Well, I have some news of my own tonight. I'm going to be a mother-in-law again! My oldest dau, Kris, has accepted the proposal of the long time love of her life, Bill Henderson, of Campbellsville KY. He is an outstanding young man and so good to our family. He comes from a wonderful family in northern OH and his mother loves genealogy! Could I ask for more? Bill is the pastor of Friendship Baptist Church in Campbellsville KY. He and Kris have dated for several years and Bill has been considered part of our family for some time. No date has been set at the present time but I hope the details will be soon coming! I am so happy for them both and I will be blessed to have two outstanding sons-in-law to go with my special daughters. Sandi Col. Sandi Gorin - Publishing: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/ GORIN worldconnect website: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~sgorin

First - it appears that you can't pull the information from ancestry.com unless you're a subscriber. That used to be a freebie, but it appears there is now a charge for it. I'm so sorry ... One of the greatest puzzles on the Henry Gorin line is on the Pells. We know that Sarah Pell, wife of Henry, was the granddaughter of one Richard Pell. He was known lovingly as the pig killer who fled or was forced to America. Stack that up against one of the meanings of the name Gorin which is "he who keeps pigs and dwells at the foot of the moutain". Think that one through - a marriage made in heaven! Anyway Dick Grigg is a Pell descendant and a Mormon and has been working for many years for documentation of the original Richard Pell's being a pig killer and arriving here in America. It's always been "oral history" and unproven. Here is what he found: Hi Folks, I recently put a querie on the Surrey, England Genealogy Forum and amazingly got an answer from William Hartley This was the original post made by Dick: Posted By:Dick and Angie Grigg Email: Subject:Richard Pell the pig killer Post Date:November 02, 2005 at 15:45:58 Message Looking for information on 3 men who were convicted of pig steeling in 1737 Richard Pell, James Matthews and Nathaniel Price. All were sentenced to Transportation and sent to Virginia. Here is the data that he was provided: Court Record as follows: > > Then in the first bundle I chose at random, after > only about half an hour's > searching I came across Richard Pell. I nearly > missed him because he is the > last of three people to be listed on quite a small > document. I couldn't > believe my luck, though the information in the > document is rather limited. It > reads:- > > 'Surry The Jurors for our Lord the King upon > their oath present that James > Matthews late of the Parish of St Mary Magdalen > Bermondsey in the County of > Surry Labourer Nathaniel Price late of the same > Labourer and Richard Pell > late of the same Labourer on the twenty third day of > ffebruary in the tenth > year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord George the > Second now King of Great > Britain [i.e.1737] &c[?] with force and arms at the > parish aforesaid in the > county aforesaid one pigg of price value of ffive > shillings of the goods and > chattells of one John Valentine then and there being > found feloniously did > steal take and carry away against the peace of our > said Lord the King his > Crown & dignity. > Michells' > > The following note in a different hand appears > against each of the three > accused: 'Pnts [Presents?] himself &c[?]- Guilty - > no chattels To be > transported for seven years'. So, the story is true. The term "late of so and so" meant formerly of. What a find and I'm thankful Dick Grigg pursued this. It was noted by another researcher that she had the same information and a copy of the sheepskin upon which the above was written! So the pig killer came to America, had children, one of whom (believed to be Richard Jr) married and had Sarah Pell who married our Henry. Sandi Col. Sandi Gorin - Publishing: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/ GORIN worldconnect website: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~sgorin

I can barely stand the wait! Last Saturday while I was set up at a genealogical/historical book fair over in Greensburg KY, I was talking to a gal named Colleen Olsen who was also a distributor there. We have met before and hit it off; she is an archaeological cave specialist, a tour guide at Mammoth Cave and an author - I have her two books. She told me that there is a new book coming out, yet unnamed, done by a world famous author, Roger Brucker. You might not have heard of him unless you're interested in caving, but my girls and I met him in 1991 at the 50th Anniversary of Mammoth Cave becoming a national park. We were listening to the retired tour guides telling tales of interesting (and spooky) things that have occurred at the cave, and we were entralled - Franklin Gorin owned the cave of course for a period of time. After the presentation, the cave historian, Bob Ward, wanted to introduce us to an author who was there, Roger Brucker. He immediately recognized the last name and asked about the girl's cousin "Tank" who owns Cumberland Caverns in McMinnville TN. And then he and Bob arranged for us to go deep into the cave on a private tour to see Gorin's Dome. Anyway, Roger has authored several books on caves, 3 of which I have, "The Longest Cave" (Mammoth), and "Trapped", the story of Floyd Collins who was trapped and died in Sand Cave in the 1920's nearby, and one more whose title I've forgotten about when they connected Sand Cave and Mammoth Cave. Collen said that 4 of the people at the cave have previewed the book and that it deeply involves our Gorin family! It was written when Franklin, then Dr John Croghan (Bro-in-law of George Rogers Clark and Gorin kin). I went on the internet and did a search for Roger and bingo, had his email address. I was sure he didn't remember me, but would remember Tank so I took a chance and wrote him, never expecting a reply. Within 15 minutes, he replied and we shared quite a few emails that night. The result? He had one more person he wanted to have preview the book and yes! I'm it! This is a novel, his first novel, based on real people and real events spun into a story. The story is seen through the eyes of a little slave girl named Charlotte who was quite real. She worked for Dr. Croghan and lived at Locust Grove (George Rogers Clark family home). She was sent by Dr Croghan (pronounced crone) to Bells' Tavern in Park City KY. Franklin Gorin's sister, married to Robert Slaughter Bell, was there; Robert being the son of the world-famous inn owner, William Bell. Supposedly (truth or fiction I don't know), she was being harrassed there and asked Franklin for help. He bought her and moved her to the cave and there she met Stephen Bishop. Stephen, if you don't know, is still considered the most famous and daring of the cave developers in the world. He was a mulatto, bought by Franklin from a Bishop family here in Glasgow. Franklin educated him; Stephen spoke several languages, had an extremely analytical mind and was the favorite of all the tourists. Copies of his original maps are still available; he found Gorin's Dome, the Bottomless Pit, the blind cat fish and his name and Charlotte's (whom he married) are smoked into many of the cave walls. Stephen also went by Stephen Gorin too. When Franklin sold the cave, despite Stephen's love for the Gorin family, he chose to stay with Dr. Croghan who was building a tb hospital inside the entrance to the cave, so he could continued his explorations. The hospital was a disaster and the remains still are in the cave. Stephen supposedly was saving to buy his freedom to Liberia (Franklin had offered him his freedom but he chose to work it out). He died several years later, a very young man and eventually Charlotte remarried to another one of the slave guides there. I'm hoping that Roger was kind to the Gorin family ... not too many skeletons! I told him I'd have to ask him if this was truth or embellishment on any events I didn't know about! It will be about 18 months before the book comes out but hopefully I'll get to read it sooner then! Roger said that I'd recognize most if not all of the names in the book from this area; many family members are mentioned I think. This one will be #1 on my want list! Sandi

Joseph Bailey Gorin (Gladin). Draft record. Age 21, resided 608 W 16th St, Port Arthur TX. Born 30 Mar 1896 Munfordville, Hart KY. Efficiency engineer for ___ Co in Port Arthur. Single, no nearest relative shown. Tall, slender build, brown eyes, brown hair. Leonard Arlette Gorin (Gladin). Draft record. Lived Hodgenville, Larue KY. 19 yrs old, born 6 May 1899. Delivering oil for H F Gorin in Hodgenville. Nearest relative: Father, H F Gorin. Medium height, stout build, blue eyes, brown hair. Leonard L. Gorin Jr (Gladin). Service record. Born 1915 TX, resided McLennan Co TX. Enlisted 3 Feb 1942 in TX at Fort Sam Houston. Warrant Officers, Private. 4 yrs college, barber and lawyer (both shown), single without dependants. Height 67 inches, weight 167. Lewis Jefferson Gorin (John). Draft card. Resided ___ Louis ville, Jefferson KY. Born 24 Apr 1883. Worked as leaf t___ b___ for Gorin Bros [note: he was a tobacco dealer]. Nearest relative: Standiford Gorin, wife. Medium height, medium build, brown hairs, dark eyes. Note; Lewis Sr had 3 sons: George, Lewis Jr and Standiford Rogers Gorin who all served with honor in WWII. Raymond H[enry] Gorin (Gladin). Service record. Born 1923 Jefferson Co TX, enlisted 25 May 1943 Houston TX. No branch assignment, Private. 2 years college. Single, without dependents. Height 36 (error of course, he was tall), weight 126. This is Ray who is buried here in Glasgow with whom I worked so many years on the Gorin family tree. He served in the US Army Air Force. Roy M. Gorin (Gladin). Service record. Born 1914 NV, resided Los Angeles CA. Enlisted 27 Apr 1943 Los Angeles. No branch assignment, Private. 2 yrs college, industrial engineer, married. Height 22 (this means medium), weight 141 lbs. Scott Lively Gorin (Gladin). Draft record. Very faded - lived in Pueblo CO, date of birth faded. Worked for Colorade Fuel and Transportation Co, occupation faded. Nearest relative: Henrietta Gorin (wife). tall, slender, brown eyes, dark eyes. Thomas Jefferson Gorin (Gladin). Draft card. Greensburg, Green, KY. Age 40 yrs, born 28 Dec 1877. Farmer in Greensburg. Nearest relative: Lettie Gorin of Greensburg. Tall, stout, brown eyes, dark hair. Thomas J[efferson]Gorin (Gladin). Service record. Born 1919 Green Co KY. Enlisted 4 Apr 1941 Louisville KY. Warrant Officers, Private. Grammar school, automobile serviceman. Single, no dependents. Height 76 inches, weight 181 lbs. Thomas L[ocke] Gorin (Gladin). Service record. Born 1916 Kenton Co KY. Enlisted 11 Jan 1942 Fort Thomas at Newport KY. Warrant Officers, Private. 1 yr college, single, no dependents, height 73 inches, weight 161 lbs. Victor R. Gorin (Gladin). Service record. Born 1916 Santa Clara CA. Enlisted 10 July 1943 San Francisco CA. No branch assignment shown, Private. Post-graduate college, teacher, married, no height or weight shown. William Farley Gorin (Gladin). Draft card. 22 yrs old, resided Hodgenville KY. Born 14 Oc 1894 Greensburg, Green,KY. Farmer for H F Gorin. Single. Claimed exemption from draft "having sick spells". tall, slender build, blue eyes, brown hair. William Forrest Gorin (John). Draft card. Resided 1407 W 4th St, Grand Island, NB. 44 yrs old, born 5 Feb 1874. Laborer for Dolan Fruit Co in Grand Island. Nearest relative; Eva Grace Gorin (wife). Medium height, medium build, blue eyes, brown hair. This concludes all the records on file that have been reported. I think it's extremely interesting to have the physical descriptions, occupations and signatures of the men! One more post to go on a different subject. Sandi

Harry C. Gorin {Gladin}, draft record. Resided 421 East Union? Ave, Litchfield, IL. Born 24 Sept 1886 near Girard IL. Traveling salesman for Litchfield Grocer Co. Dependents were wife and child. Tall, stout, brown eyes, black hair. Henry Franklin Gorin (Gladin). Draft record. Resided Hodgenville KY, 45 yrs old. Born 27 Dec 1872. Oil agent for Standard Oil in Hodgenville. Nearest relative; Elizabeth Gorin in Greensburg KY. Tall, slender build, black eyes, dark hair. Henry Jerome Gorin (Henry). Draft record. Resided 2415 - 3rd St West, Seattle, King, WA. 38 yrs old, born 30 Jan 1880. Lawyer in Seattle. Dependents; Wife - Gladis Eyres (Gladys). Mediuim tall, stout build, gray eyes, black hair. James Arthur Gorin (Gladin). Draft record. Resided 2822 H___ St, Port Arthur TX. Born 14 Mar 1887. Some unreadable - worked for H___ M--- Inc in Port Arthur. Dependants were wife and one child. Medium height, medium build, brown eyes, brown eyes. James Clay Gorin (Gladin). Draft Record. Resided Arden, Clark, NV. Age 43, born 27 July 1876. Superintendent of Arden Plaster Co. Nearest relative: Mrs. Martha Gorin, 335 N Wilson Ave, Alhambra CA. Medium height, medium build, blue eyes, dark hair. James Ruben Gorin (Gladin). Draft Record. Resided Rowletts KY. Born 3 Apr 1891 Rowletts. Tenent farmer for mother, N E Gorin. Single, no dependents. tall, medium build, blue eyes, light brown hair. James Wilson Gorin (Gladin). Draft Record. Resided Chatham GA. Age 41, born 6 June 1877. Osteopathic physician. Nearest relative: wife. Medium height, medium build, hazel eyes, brown hair. John Gladden Gorin (Gladin). Draft record. Resided 54 East 12th St, Chicago IL. Note: This is a damaged image. 35 yrs old, born 9 May 1883. Accountant for IL Central RR in Chicago. Nearest relative: M J? Maloney of same address. Unknown height (smear), medium build, blue eyes, dark hair. John Hulbert Gorin (John). Draft card. Resided 1407 W 4th, Grand Island, NB. 21 years old, born 4 Apr 1896. Born Palasade NB. Clerk for Herman Baumann in Grand Island. Single, no near relative. Medium tall, slender build, blue eyes, light hair. John Hunter Gorin (John). Draft card. Age 30, resided Turrington WY. born 15 May 1887, born Palisade N B. Restaurant owner. Dependents wife, baby and father. Medium tall, slender build, brown eyes, dark brown hair. John Tilton Gorin (Gladin). Draft card. Resided 707 - 11th St, Bowling Green KY. (occupation etal faded out). Nearest relative: Fannie Grider, sister, same address. Tall, stout build, blue eyes, dark hair. John Washington Gorin (Gladin). Draft card. Resided 1814 - 6th Street, Port Arthur TX. 35 years old, born 27 Nov 1882. Stationary Engineer for The Texas Company in Port Arthur. Nearest relative: Lois? Gorin, same address. Tall, slender build, brown eyes, dark hair. to be continued:

You know that I pop in and out here, whenever I find some new information. And boy, did I find more information! As a tribute to Veteran's Day, I've been able to locate the WWII draft registrations and the service records on our Gorin boys. They are said to be complete, but I know they aren't, I know several that are missing. For a few posts, I am going to go thru this records with you, in alphabetical order. I love finding extra info on my files and hope you will find this helpful. I will indicate in parenthesis which ancestor they are descended from: Cecil E. Gorin (Gladin). Born 1911 in Jefferson Co TX, enlisted 4 Feb 1941 Houston TX. U S Air Corps, Private, Regular Army. Post graduate college, divers helper, single, no dependents, 69 in tall, 175 lbs. Charles Bartley Gorin (Henry). Draft card. Resided 4457 Beacon St, Chicago IL, born 8 July 1887. Born Louisiana, Pike, MO. Lumber salesman for G W Jones Lumber Co, Appleton Wisconsin. Had wife and child, married. Medium height, grey eyes, medium built, light brown hair. Charles Grizzle Gorin (Gladin). Age 25, resided 316 Sher__, Waco TX. Born 10 June 1871, Born Breenwood? TX. Railraod FCar Clerk in Waco. Single, dependent - Mother. Medium tall, medium build, brown eyes, brown hair. (Draft card) Clifford Hill Gorin (Henry). Draft card. Resided 4738 Beacon, Chicago IL. Born Louisiana MO. Assitant Clerk for American Telephone & Telegraph Co, worked 212 W Washing St. Had wife and child. Short, medium buld, brown eyes, dark eyes, Donald C[lay] Gorin (Gladin)Service record. Born 1915 NV, resided Los Angeles CA. Enlisted 14 Mar 1941 in Los Angeles. Warrant Officer, Private, had 4 years of high school, was a librarian, single, no dependents. Height 73", weight 146 lbs. Harrison Gorin (Gladin). Service record. Born 1894 KY, resided Middlesex Co CT. Enlisted 24 Oct 1945 SC at Florendce Army Air Field. US Air Corps, Staff Sergeant. Enlisted for Hawaiian Dept, regular army. National Guard in Federal service. Grammar school, maried, height 66 inches, weight 464 lbs. I do believe this is in error! His draft card shows he resided 277 Main in Middlesex; born 26 Apr 1894, born Bowling Green KY. Lineman for Stone & White Co of Middleton CT. Single, previous service as Private for 1 1/2 years. Medium tall, medium build (whew!), blue eyes, brown hair. to be continued in next post soon. Sandi

I had a few precious minutes this morning to look at some census records and it hit me how much our Gorin family has traveled, really past the first 2 generations. I ran one family and you can see how distances increased from one generation to the other. I chose John Darns Gorin Sr, son of Henry and Sarah Pell Gorin. He was born in Fairfax Co VA and moved with his family from there to the Lexington Co KY area; then to Barren Co KY for a smidgen of time, then to Warren Co KY, then to Christian Co KY, then to Macon Co IL, then to Fayette Co IL where he died; is buried in Macon Co IL.... the latter two moves being a shorter distance. His children, shown below, didn't move all that far either until we get to his youngest son: Dr Bartley moved from with his family up thru Macon Co IL; he married and died in Pike Co MO.His descendants spread to IL, and east Mariah after marriage to Thomas C Kirkman went to Winchester IL Henry Madison maried Mary Ann Love and settled in Scotland Co MO, dying there. Elvira md Gen Isaac Pugh and stayed in Macon Co IL Jerome Rinald remained after married in Macon Co IL Gladin married and settled in St Louis MO Mary Jane went to Winchester IL after marriage John Darns Jr was the adventurer and spread our family foots. He went to Nevada to work in the silver mines and his family ventured farther away from the home roots. Edith died in 1913 - had lived in San Francisco CA Henry Madison (not the same as above) moved & died in Portland OR Claude - died early Charles M was living in Los Angeles in 1920, but had also lived in Tombstone AZ as a miner there Martha married and lived in Los Angeles Ida May married and lived in Los Angeles Blanch married, died 1901, lived CA John Darns III md Victoria and lived in Santa Barbara Ca Ella married and lived in Los Angeles Since 1920, the miles between family members have increased more and more until, altho a small family, they are to be found in every state plus Paris France. We, today, think nothing of pulling up roots and moving clear across the US ... but think how it would have been in the 1700's, 1800's and early 1900's. Just a little trivia - Sandi

If you had any ancestors in KY, this site will be of great help to you. It has not officially been announced yet so this is a scoop; I know the developer and have been working the site today. The URL is: http://kyvitals.com/vis/search/search_death_recs.php The goal is to get all the KY death certificates (1911-) on file - not just the names and dates but copies of the death certificate. This will be followed with the birth certificates, and then hopefully marriages. Right now there are 25,000 death certificates on the site, and the names and dates of all the deaths 1911- are shown. If there is a certificate on line (which prints out beautifully!), there will be a yes in the right column. If it says no ... the certificate is coming. They are adding about 7,000 certificates a month right now. I checked out the Gorin's since many were still here by 1911, found 2 certificates on line -one is not a Gorin but a Gowrin. The developers are adding some last minute frills including a "post it note" function which will allow the searcher to add a note such as "this is my line, please contact me if you have further information" or "this is not a Gorin but rather a Gowrin", etc. When you enter the name you can search on a particular county (or all) and the name (full name or surname). It will also link with the mother's maiden name also. You might want to bookmark this site and check any surnames you have in KY. I also found a death date today which thrilled me. There is an old Reynolds Cemetery in the Beckton area (Barren Co) that has just a few stones in it and has not been recorded. My dear friend Martha found a newspaper clipping (which I'll try to get a copy of soon) for Nancy Gorin. This is Nancy James, daughter of James James (don't you love that?) and Susan Beckham. Nancy married Rowan Tipton Gorin who was a son of our founder here - John Gorin and his 2nd wife, Elizabeth Turpin Duvall. Rowan and Nancy had 3 children - one of which will be of particular interest to Gary on the list ... Susan, Emma and James S. James S married Sarah Ellen Reynolds. The Reynolds intermarried with the James and Gorin family 3 times - they were all neighbors. James and Sarah Ellen's children were Samuel, William and John Rogers Gorin. It is John Rogers Gorin that Gary now knows much more about - it was his family that spelled their name Goren and led to a life-long search for their family. Thankfully, Gary found my files on line and everything matched up showing that his John R Goren was our John Rogers Gorin. This was one very happy reunion! So - try your kin in KY after 1911 (this is when KY began keeping birth and death records) and see if you find anything. To be able to see the actual certificate is so much better than just having the name and date on file! My best - Sandi

First - I'm sorry for the long delay in posting to the list. Life gets complicated sometimes ... including a 21 day stay in the hospital for my 90 yr old Mom who took a serious fall, some dental work, one daughter trying to find work (did) and housing (did not yet) in another town, office work and age! But, I guess I have everyone around here well trained in looking for Gorin material and when I went to the post office this morning, the desk clerk (distant kin of the Gorin's) handed me a newspaper clipping which some of you in Gladin's line will be interested in. John Henry Gorin Jr was born about 1818 in Warren Co KY - likely right in Bowling Green. He was the grandson of Gladin and Nancy Hinch Gorin, son of John Henry Gorin Sr and Elizabeth Bailey Jones. He married first Melvina Austin 30 May 1843; she died and is buried here in the Glasgow Municipal Cemetery along with one or two of their children. John Henry Jr moved back and forth between Glasgow in Barren Co and Bowling Green - 35 miles or so. I pick him him up here in a couple of citations - he was into horses and also suffered a financial setback over a patent for an agricultural implement if I remember right; was sued once over this. John H Jr married secondly to Helen Dodd 11 May 1854 here in Glasgow. Helen and he had 6 children of record - Helen is buried in TX. All I had on John H Jr was then his date of death, being 12 Feb 1868 - age 50. Well, here is the rest of the story. >From the Lexington (KY) Observer & Reporter, Semi-Weekly, Lexington, KY, Saturday, Feb 22, 1868, p. 2, column 1: Suicide. About 10 o'clock last Wednesday morning Mr. John H. Gorin, a highly respected citizen of this place, committed suicide by shoting himself through the head with a pistol. No cause is assigned for the act. When he went to his home Tuesday evening he complained of feeling unwell - thought he had probably had a chill during the day; but otherwise seemed perfectly at himself. It appears that while in his room alone at the time stated he got up in his night clothes and commited the fatal deed while standing in front of a large mirror. Mr. Gorin leaves a wife and several children to mourn his untimely end, to whom we tender our heartfelt sympathies for their sad bereavement. At the time of his death Mr. Gorin was Deputy City Marshall, and commanded the highest respect from all who knew him." Reported from the Bowling Green Democrat (newspaper). What a tragic story! Is this when Helen and the family moved to TX? What could have caused him to do this? We likely will never know but it answers a question a lot of us have had for many years. Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

If you hurry - until June 10th you can get to the site below and check any of your family members who were in the Civil War. It was a free thank you from ancestry.com thru a PA site. I've checked out the Gorin's but if you have other family members who served in the Civil War - click on the URL and work your way thru. Sandi http://www.pacivilwar.com/freepension.html .

There are a few more generations that I noted: GENERATION 21: Robert HORNICOTE was father of Gervaise; born unknown date at Tintagel; died 13 Mar 1223/24; married - spouse unknown. Geoffdrey de DINAN was the father of Oliver; born abt 1145 Hartland; died after 1204; married Sarah of whom there is no information. Adam De la ROCHE was father of David; born abt 1160 Roche Castle, married Blandiane of whom there is no information. Robert BEAUPLE was father of Reginald III; married, no further information. Generation 22: Gervais HORNICOTE was father of Robert. Born abt 1138 Tintagel; married, spouse unknown. Lord Oliver de DINAN III was father of Geoffrey de DINAN; died after 1173; married to Elizabeth, of whom no information. Roert FITZGODEBERT was father of Adam deLAROCHE; born abt 1126; married, spouse unknown. Reginald BEAUPLE II was father of Robert, married - no further information. Generation 23: Oliver de DINAN II, Vet of Dinan, was father of Oliver III, born abt 1088 in Dinan, Brittany, England; died about 1150; married to Gunnor ____ of whom there is no information. Gilbert ROS, The Flemming, was father of Robert GITZGODEBERT, born about 1096 in Roche Castle; married, spouse unknown. Richar BEAUPLE father of Robert; married, no further info. Generation 24: Geoffrey de DINAN, father of Oliver, born 1065 Dinan, sire of de Dinan in Brittany. Married Radegonde ___ of whom there is no information. Reginald BEAUPLE was the father of Richar, married, no spouse information. Generation 25: Oliver de DINAN, father of Geoffrey, born about 1032 in Dinan; married, no further information. Hope you found this interesting! You can calculate how many generations you are removed from Oliver de DINAN (25) plus adding the generations from Sarah PELL to you! Sandi

Having a few minutes, decided to post a few more generations. Bob of the list asked clarification on 2 things - one I let sliip by, the other, I don't know. 2nd generation - Richard Pell was married in Kent MD, not Kent England. On Sir John Pell's marriage to Rachel Pinckney - it appears she went to London to be married. Generation 19: Roger de CARMINOW was the father of Sir Roger of the previous generation. He born abt 1210 in Trenowyth, Cornwall; married Sara de HORNICOTE about 1239 in Tintagel, Corndall. She born 1214 in Tintagel. Sir Geoffrey de DINHAM was the father of Joanna Dinham. Born abt 1200 in Buckland Dinham, Somersetshire. He died abt 1278; married Alice ___ who was born abt 1230 in Devonshire. Thomas le ARCHDEKNE was the father of Otes; born abt 1220 Shobrook, Devonshire, ENgland; died before 26 Dec 1258; married, spouses name not known. John de la ROCHE was the father of Thomas; born abt 1220 Pembrokeshire, Wales; died after 1251. Married Maud le WAYEYS who was born abt 1224. Ralph de ARUNDEL was the father of Renfred. Born abt 1208 Lanherne, Cornwall; died before Oct 1275. Married Eva de RUPE about 1231 in Tremoderet, Roche, Cornwall. She born abt 1212 in Tremoderet. John de la HURNE was the father of Alice de LANHERNE; born abt 1214 Lanhern, Cornwall; married Margaret FitzJohn abt 1243 in Lenherne. She born abt 1218 Lanherne. Sir Robert BEAUPLE ii was the father of Sir Robert of prevous generation. Held half a knight's fee at Knowstone, Devonshire. Elected coroner. Summonded to serve against the Scots but unable to due to sickness n 1301. Lord of Knowstone Beaupel, Westbury, Blackpole & Warklet and Devon in 1316. Too old to attend Council at Westminister 9 May 1324. Received grant of freewaren at Breindon & Loudekeye, Devonshire 3 Nov 1318 etc. Married, spouse unknown. Pierse NASCUTT died in Cornwall; married, spounse unknown. Generation 20: Gervaise HORNICOTE was father of Sara. Born abt 1118 in Tintagel; married, spouse unknown. Oliver de DINAN was father of Sir Geoffdrey de DINHAM. Born abt 1170 Hartland, Devonshire; died before 28 June 1221; married to Elizabeth - no information. Michael le ARCHDEKNE, father of Thomas, born abt 1179 Shobrook, Devonshire; married, spouse unknown. David de la ROCHE was father of John, born about 1190 Pembrokeshire, Wales. Married; spouse unknown. Le leWAYEYS was father of Maude. Married, no further information. Richard deRUPE was father of Eva; born about 1190 Pembrokeshire, Wales. Married, spouse unknown. Andrew LANHERNE was father of John de la HURNE, married; no further information. Reginald BEAUPLE III was father of Sir Robert; died in 1270; married, spouse unknown. One more post coming to end series. Sandi

Generation 16: Sir John deARUNDEL III, Sheriff of Cromwall; born about 1319, resided Trembleth, Treloy, Morchard and Yeweton, Cornwall. Died 1379; married Elizabeth de CARMINOW 1334/5. She born about 1314, died about 1356. Sir William LUSCOTE was the father of Joan, born about 1314 Lodiswell, Cornwall; died Lustock, Devonshire. Married ALice le Archdekne. shE BORN ABOUT 1314. William deLAMBORN was the father of William, born abt 1298. Married Joan de ARUNDEL about 1328 in Laherne, Cornwall. She born about 1302 Laherne. Ralph le SOOR, father of Joan, born about 1302, lived Laherne. Married Mabel deBERKELEY who was born about 1325. Sir Nel deCOGAN, father of Sir William died 1386. King's Gurd in april 23 1349. Resided Chalgrave and Bedfodrdshire. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle wrote a historical novel in which Sir Nigel Loryng, Knight of the Garter, was the center character. It is called "The White Company." Married Margaret BEAUPLE. Generation 17: Oliver de CARMINOW was the father of Elizabeth, born about 1278 Trenowyth, Cornwall; died after 1345. He was Chamberlain to King Richard II. Married ELizabeth de POMERY of Trenowyth. She born about 1302 Cornwall, died about 1353. Thomas le ARCHDEKNE was the father of ALice, born about 1275 Ruan, Lanihorn, Cornwall, England; died 12 Aug 1331. Married Alice (Elizabeth)de la ROCHE. She born about 1287 Roche Castle, Pembrokeshire, England. John de ARUNDEL was the father of Joan; born about 1272; resided Treloy, Lanherne and St Colombe, Cornwall. Died before 1308. Married Joan le SOOR about 1293. She born about 1272; died between 1813-1319. Ralph BEAUPLE as the father of Margaret; died Cnubeston, Devonshire; married Elicabeth BLOYHON. SHe was the heiress of her brother, Ralph BAYOU. Generation 18: Sir Roger de CARMINOW II, father of Oliver, born about 1240 Trenowyth, Cornwall; died about 1284. Married Joanna de DINHAM about 1266 in Hartland, Devonshire. She born about 1244 Hartland, Devonshire. Otes le ARCHDEKNE was the father of Thomas, born about 1250 in ROche Castle, died 1314. Married to Margaret .. no information. Renfred de ARUNDEL, Lord of Lanherde, was thefather of John. Born about 1240; died about 1280. Married Lice de LANHERNE in 1268 in Lanherne, Cornwall. She born about 1244 Lanherne; died before 1280. John le SOOR was the father of Joan; born about 1250, resided Tolverne, Cornwall. Married Rosea about 1271 in Tolverne, Cornwall. SHe was born about 1255 same, died about 1340. Sir Robert BEAUPLE was the father of Ralph; MP for Devon in 1314 but later a rebel. On 9 May 1324 called as a Knight for Devon to the Great Council at Westminister. Owned lands at Wodenbeaupel, Devon in 1322. Married, spouse unknown. Alan BLOYHON, father of Elizabeth died in Cornwall. He was married to a daughter of NANSCUTT. to be continued tomorrow. Sandi