Frank Gorin of our list just informed me that Milton Merle Metzger, husband of his sister, Virginia Gorin Metzger, died in Alton IL on the 12th of January 2004, age 70. Virginia is the daughter of the late Frank Buffum Gorin and wife Ruby Stiles Gorin; granddau of Ernest Bartley Gorin Sr and Edith Lynott - of the Henry Gorin line. Our sympathies to Virginia. Sandi

Today, a biography for Frederick Walker Stith. His pedigree descends from: Son of David Buckner Stith (born 4 Apr 1792 Dinwiddie Co VA, d. 16 Oct 1848) and his wife Mary Frances Bostick (born 8 Feb 1808 in Cobel Co WV. They married 6 July 1830 and had as one child: David Meade Stith (born 29 Nov 1843 in Carrollton, Greeen IL; died 23 Apr 1886 Medicine Lodge, Barber, KS) who married 29 Jan 1867 in Green Co IL MARY JANE GORIN (born 28 July 1845 Memphis, Scotland MO, died 4 Nov 1903 Attica. Harper, KS. Mary Jane was the daughter of Major Henry Madison Gorin (b 14 Oct 1812 Christian Co Mo, d 2 Apr 1889, Memphis, Scotland MO) and his wife Mary Ann Love (b 7 Dec 1818, d Feb 1885 Memphis, Scotland MO). They married 23 Apr 1835 in Decatur, Macon, IL. Gorin MO is named for Henry Madison Gorin. Mary Ann was the daughter of John and Elizabeth Ewing Love and granddaughter of Andrew and Sarah Love. Henry Madison Gorin was the son of John Darns Gorin and Martha Thomas Gorin; John the son of Henry and Sarah Pell Gorin. STITH, Frederick Walker.. Merchandise broker. Res. 1739 Cahuenga ave., Hollywood, Cal.; office 928-9 Higgins Bldg., Los Angeles, Cal. Born in Carrollton, Ill., July 21, 1868, son of David and Mary (Gorin) Stith. Married to Mary Josephine Barnes in 1898. Educated in public schools of Kas. First employed on his father's ranch in Ind. Terr.; later operated ranch for his mother in Harper Co., Kas.; in Attica Exchange Bank, Attica, Kas., which position he held until 1893; with Acme Harvester Co., Pekin, Ill. Moved to Los Angeles in 1903 and established a brokerage busines, in which he has been engaged to date, handling only wholesale trade, consisting largely of wholesale groceries, being the local representatives of J. K. Armsby Co., Central Cal. Canneries, Kellog Toasted Corn Flakes Co., Cleveland Macaroni Co., Winter & Prophet Canning Co., Joseph Campbell Co., and Alpine Evaporated Cream Co.; pres. F. W. Stith Co.; dir. National Bank of Commerce, Los Angeles, Cal. Member Jonathan and Los Angeles Country clubs. Christian Scientist. Source: Who's Who in the Pacific Southwest: A compilation of Authentic biographical Sketches of Citizens of Southern California and Arizona. Los Angeles, Ca, Times, 1913, p. 354. The 1910 Los Angeles CA census, Cahuenga Twp shows the following: House 149-36-34 STITH, Frederick W, head, male, white, 38, married 12 years, born KS, father born KY, mother born USA, merchandiser STITH, Mary J., wife, female, white, 30, married 12 years, 1 child born, 1 child living, born IL, parents born USA STITH, Richard B, son, male, white, 5, single, born CA, father born KS, mother born IL. Some interesting companies he represented - which became major companies in our times! Tari - for your records, Mary Jane Gorin would have been the first cousin once removed of Laura Dedering Mortensen! Tomorrow - one of my favorite family members - Edgar Allen Poe! Sandi

I had another file open while typing the email about Averlina and crossed up two dates. He was born ca 1805, married Averlina 5 May 1831 and died eight years later on 30 April 1839. It's cold here this morning and my fingers must not have thawed out enough! Sandi Col. Sandi Gorin - Publishing: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/ GORIN worldconnect website: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~sgorin

I'm not hearing from any of you, so hope these are going out ok! Averlina Gorin - whose name was spelled dozens of ways, was the daughter of Henry and Sarah Pell Gorin. She was born 21 Oct 1809 in Christian Co KY; no death date; married in Warren Co KY on 5 May 1831 to Newton Cockrill/Cockrell. Newton was born ca 1805, died 30 April 1831 in Montgomery Co IL. He was the son of John Cockrell and Susannah Boone. John Cockrell was the son of Christopher and Susannah Cockrill. Christopher was the son of Joseph and Jane Cockrill. Joseph was the son of John and Lucretia Neale Cockrill. John was the son of John Cockrill who was the son of Andrew Cockrill who would have been born about 1620. Susannah Boone was the daughter of Squire Boone and Anna Grubbs. Squire was the son of Samuel and Sarah Day Boone. Samuel was the son of Squire Boone and Sarah Morgan who was the son of George Boone. I am currently researching this Boone and Morgan line to fill in more dates and places. Now to the bio. History of Johnson County [MO] History of Townships, Cities, Towns (etal), complied by a special historian (not named), no date, but would have been in the 1880's. "REV. A. M. COCKRELL. Baptist missionary for the Johnson and Lafayette Association. Born in Montgomery County, Illinois Aug. 28, 1835, son of New Cockrell. His mother was Avolina Gorin, a niece of Gen. Gorin of Revolutionary fame. Rev. Cockrell lived a considerable time in Kentucky, but attended school in Nashville. He was married to Mary E. Darby, Sept. 12, 1858. Their children are: Ida, Newton F., William M., Henry G[orin?], Edward R., Thomas M., Alma M., and James W. The eldest daughter died when little more than two years old. He was baptized by the distinguished pioneer preacher, Eld. WM. P. C. Caldwell, licensed to preach in August, 1870, at White Sulphur Spring, church, Kentucky, and ordained Fed. 11, 1872. He came to Johnson County, Missouri, in Sept. 1874, and for about six years preached at High Point. Rev. Cockrell is a self made man, a plain forcible speaker and filled with Christian zeal. He has baptized over five hundred persons." Some notes: Newton and Averlina had two older children, Ann Rebecca and John Henry Cockrell. These two children were a favorite of Averlina's brother, John Darns Gorin who gave them each a horse of his favorites. Notice that this bio confirms that Averlina was a niece of Gen. Gorin. This would have been John Gorin who md Elizabeth Franklin of Glasgow KY. Notice also that their first son was John Henry. As was common in this era, children were named for their family - John Gorin who would have been the great-uncle and Henry, the grandfather. Tomorrow: Frederick Walker Stith of Hollywood, CA, dau of David and Mary Gorin Stith. Sandi Col. Sandi Gorin - Publishing: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/ GORIN worldconnect website: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~sgorin

Continuation of the bio of James L L Terry: "The family of Mr. Terry were all Democrats, but he says that he was a natural born Whig, and when that party died, he attended its funeral and then assisted in the organization of the Reublican party, an organization which he considers has the grandest history of any political party in this county. In 1840 he became a member of the Christian Church, and his religious views are the same now as then, although he holds membership with the Methodist Episcopal Church at Washington, and loves the Church and its members. He has always been very decided in his temperance views, and has probably received more curses than coppers for the part he has taken in that cause. He helped organize the first division of the Sons of Temperance in Washington County, and assisted in the First Grand Lodge of Good Templars in the State of Iowa.He joined the Maonic fraternity in 1851, served as Master in Richmond Lodge No. 96, for our years, and attended the Grand Lodge each of those years. Mr. and Mrs. Terry have had eight children, only three of whom are now living: Marcus C. lives at Brighton, in this county, and is a successful practicing physician; Josie married D.S. McConnaughey, also a successful practicing physician, and lives at Avoca, Iowa; William M. is living in Washington, engaged in the family grocery trade. All three are native born Iowans. "Mr. Terry says that he is not rich, never desired to be, but has enough, though sometimes the living was pretty rough. The great ambition of his life has been to see all his chilren have homes and a respectable business occupation, which ambition has been duly realized. As stated at the begining of this sketch, Mr. Terry is a pioneer among pioneers. He has endured all the trials and privations of pioneer life, but has lived to see the country blossom as the rose, to which he came in 1837, and made the first surveying. In looking back over those old days, one can but wonder at the courage necessary to cause one to leave the comforts of more civilized life, and endure the toils and privations incident to the settlement of a new country. But to such men as Squire Terry, much of the credit of the present wealthy county of Washington is due. To such, the present generation has good reason to stand uncovered in their presence. "A fine engraving of Mr. Terry isfound inconnection with this sketch.It cannot help being appreciated by every read of the ALBUM." You know, I think I would have liked Mr. Terry very much. It is obvious that he had a good sense of humor, liked to tell of how it really was, was not one bit egotistical! I scanned a picture of J L L Terry and since I can't send it to the list, if you want to know what he looked like, write me and I'll attach a picture to you privately. Tomorrow I'll post a shorter bio on Rev. A M. Cockrell who was the son of Newton Cockrill and Averlina Gorin; she being the daughter of Henry and Sarah Pell Gorin. Newton had ties to Daniel Boone. Col. Sandi Gorin - Publishing: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/ GORIN worldconnect website: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~sgorin

Please note in part 1 there are two errors in the biography. J L L stated that his mother married Nathaniel D[avis] Terry in 1927. They were married 10 Feb 1829. He also said his mother [Catherine Gorin Terry] died in 1841. She died 29 June 1842 and is buried in the Terry Cemetery at Griderville KY (Barren Co). I have just a few comments on this biography. (1) note that he wrote his own biography, which was common, it was taken as the truth, and likely, due to his age, he got things mixed up once in a while. (2) even if you don't have a tie to this line, it will definitely show how the old pioneers REALLY lived - the hardships, privations and lack of education. (3) Reading his wanderings from state to state and from county to county within a state, is called a genealogist's nightmare in trying to find him! "On the marriage of his mother, J. L. L. returned home [Todd Co KY], but was soon afterward apprenticed to his uncle, S. P. Gorin, with whom he remained nine years, receiving only a few months' education. [Note: This is Sanford Pell Gorin, son of John Darns Gorin.] The day he was fifteen years of age, his uncle started to move to Illinois, accompanied by J. L. L. . On arriving at Vandalia, then capital of the State, Mr. Gorin concluded to make that his home. [Note: His uncle was a State Rep for IL and lived in Vandalia.] Here Mr. Terry says that he first felt his ignorance, the boys in whose company he was thrown taking considerable sport at his experience, but it was one of the best things that ever happened to him, for he resolved that he would not always be thus ignorant. He bought, borrrowed and read books, studied arithmetic and English grammar at night and on Sundays, and often being denied the use of a candle, resorted to the next best thing, that of bark and splinter lights. While it may be true that his education is limited in knowledge of books taught in the schools, he has endeavored to keep pace with the advancement of the times in general reading. "In 1835 Mr. Terry returned to Kentucky during the memorable excitement created by John A Murrill, the great western land pirate. Remaining in Kentucky two years, he then returned to Illinois, and in May of that year engaged with Gen. W. L. D. Ewing, as one of a surveying party, his contract being townships 74 and 75 north, of range 1 to 7 west, of the 5th principal meridian, a part of which is comprised in the county of Washington, Iowa. The General had such confidence in Mr. Terry and a young man by the name of Bowles, as to send them to St. Louis, Mo., to sell some half dozen horses to the United States dragoons, and with the proceeds to purchase the outfir for the trip, taking it to New Boston, Ill. After completing his surveying contract, Mr.Terry returned to Vandalia, Ill., and bought a small farm five miles from that place, which he cultivated during the following year, and in February, 1839, sold the same, and went to Washington, Ill. There he became acquainted with Miss Sarah J. Mounts, to whom he was married in July 1839. Previous to this time, however, but during the same year, he came to Washington County, Iowa, and built a house on the southwest quarter of section 21, township 75, range 6. "After his marriage, Mr. Terry remained in Illinois until the spring of 1840, and in March of that year went to Burlington, Iowa, to attend the land sales. After remaining a week the sales were indefinitely postponed. Being somewhat discouraged, he returned to Illinois and sold his claim in Washington County Iowa, to R. W. Burton, leasing a farm for three years near where the village of Eureka, Ill., is now situated. He lived there when Woodford County was organized, and was elected Justice of the Peace at the first election held in that county, which office, he thinks, has haunted him ever since. In October, 1844, he repurchased his old claim in Iowa, and moved upon it during the same month. His first cabin was sixteen feet square, and the one room was kitchen, bedroom and parlor, the furniture consisting of a Jackson bedstead, one post and hickory withes for cord, and a dry-goods box for a table. On this farm he remained four years, but on account of the poor prospects for educating his children, he sold it for a trifle and moved to Washington, where, in company with A. J. Disney, he started the first harness-shop in that place. "In 1849 Mr. Terry was elected Clerk of the County Commissioner's Court, which office he held two years, when the law was changed to the county judge system. In 1852 he went to Richmond, English River Township, in this county, where he engaged in the harness trade for several yars, then went into the dry-goods trade, and afterward in the tanning, harness and saddlery trade, and there remained until August, 1863, when he returned to Washington. When the war broke out, Mr. Terry took a great interest in securing enlistments and in aid of the soldiers in the field. Among others to enlist was his oldest son, J. H. Terry, who enlisted in Co. E., 10th Iowa Vol. Inf., as a private, in August 1861, and in February, 1862, he was promoted over the Second Lieutenant to First Lieutenant of his company, to which position he served till May 16, 1863, when, at the battle of Champion Hills, he fell, while gallantly elading his company in the charge. HIs remains were buried upon the battle-field, there to await the resurrection at the last day. Previous to this, he had participated in the battles of Farmington, Tenn., Iuka and Corinth, Miss., in which he had command of the company, his Captain acting as Major." To be concluded tomorrow. Sandi Col. Sandi Gorin - Publishing: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/ GORIN worldconnect website: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~sgorin

This will take several posts. Source: Portrait and biographical album of Washington County, Iowa containing full page portraits and biographical sketches of prominent and representative citizees of the county, together with portraits and biographies of all the governers of Iowa, and of the presidents of the United States. Chicago: Acme Pub. Co., 1887, 680 pages. pp. 169-171. "J. L. L. Terry, Justice of the Peace, at Washington, is a pioneer among the pioneers of Washington County. He is a native of Kentucky, born in Hopkinsville, March 19, 1817. He comes of good old Revolutionary stock, his grandfather, Stephen Terry, being a soldier in that war, and was supposed to be mortally wounded at the battle of Brandywine, Aug. 11, 1777, being then in his twentieth year, but lived until his sixty-fourth year. He was born in Louisa County Va., where the father of our subject was born. Stephen Terry and Mildred Bagby were married and had twelve children, eight of whom lived to be adults. Among the number was James Terry, the father of our subject, who was born in 1790, in Louisa County, Va. The family moved to Kentucky about 1809, where James Terry married CATHERINE GORIN, a native of Warren County, that State, born in 1797. They were the parents of three children, two of whom are living - J. L. L. and Napoleon B., now living in Hart County, Ky. "James Terry for some years was in the hotel business in Hopkinsville, Ky., while at the same time he purchased and shipped horses for the Virginia trade. In the general financial ruin that followed the breaking of forty-two independent banks in Kentucky in 1818, he was broken up, and moved South to try and mend his broken fortunes, going down the Cumberland to the Ohio, and thence to the Mississippi River on a flatboat, stoping at Natchez about two months. While there J. L. L. ran away from the hotel, going to the river, and was washed into it by the waves, from which he was rescued by a Choctaw woman. Whether the world was ever the better by her act, Mr. Terry says he has never been able to decide, though his wife says it was, and he is willing to leave the question to her better judgment. NOTE by Sandi: There was a devastating bank failure in KY in 1818 and many citizens went bankrupt. I have a copy of a mortgage from James Terry to his brother-in-law, JOHN DARNS GORIN, where he mortgaged everything he possessed to John D. It appears that it was at this time James Terry started the trans- portation of horses south. It appears that his father-in-law, HENRY GORIN raised and bred exceptionally outstanding horses at the same time for Henry made a comment later on that he gave up the horse business since the war efforts kept taking his horses. It had been thought for many years that James Terry possibly had become depressed and taken his own life due to his financial ruin, but the following will explain what happened to him. "From Natchez the family proceeded up the Red River in Louisiana, as far as Natchitoches, but returned and located at Alexandria, La., where the father [James Terry] died, in July 1819, leaving a widow almost penniless, and among strangers, herself and two small children being sick. Her father [Henry Gorin] sent her means to return home by water, but the yellow fever being on the river at that time, she declined to go that way. Her father then sent a friend with a wagon 500 miles through the Indian Territory for her, with whom she started home, but within ten days thereafter the man died in the wagon, leaving her among the Indians, who were kind enough to bury the man and then to lead the team to a trading station called Collins' Station, where there were seven white families. Here she remained until further arrangements were made for her to get home. NOTE: There is no time-frame shown as to how long these events took. She would have had to send a message to her father, taken by boat or horseback from Alexandria LA back to Christian Co KY. Henry would have had to make arrangements for the first man to ride horseback 500 miles down to get her and provide him rather a large sum of money for his efforts. Then there is another time-gap while this unknown man, Catherine and the two very young children set out for Kentucky and the man's death. Another long time would have occured then while she tried to get another message back to Christian Co KY and Henry to try the next rescue attempt. According to family records, when she finally made it back to KY, she had changed tremendously. She had been an outgoing, cheer- ful and beautiful young lady with a beautiful singing voice, and, upon her return was for the rest of her life quite subdued and never sang willingly again. "James Terry was a brickmason by trade, a very powerful man physically, being six feet seven inches in height, and large in proportion. He would never drink intoxicating liquors. On arriving at her father's house, Mrs. Terry, with an infant child, made that her home, while the subject of this sketch was taken by his grandmother Terry, with whom he remained until nearly ten years old. NOTE: Catherine was in such poor health due to all this, it was felt that she could not care for both of her children. Her father and mother had a large family and it appears they could not take care of one more child. Thus, the Terry family stepped in and raised J. L. L. Terry for the first years of his life. James Terry, the father, was exceptionally tall, even by today's standards, and many of the Gorin line are quite short. "In 1827 his mother married Nathaniel D. Terry, a third cousin of her forrmer husband, by whom she had one child, Rev. Nathaniel G., now a prominent Baptist minister in Kentucky. Mrs. Terry was a woman of great intellectual ability, and a member of the Baptist Church. She died in 1841." NOTE: Nathaniel Gorin Terry was pastor of many Baptist churches in south central Kentucky and a favorite of mine. He pastored, on four occasions, the church to which I belong, Glasgow Baptist and was a beloved father, husband and minister. He kept trying to retire but was called on constantly to step in for various churches in Glasgow, Cave City and elsewhere. He kept his promise to a young couple to marry them, finished the ceremony and died the same day. To be continued. Col. Sandi Gorin - Publishing: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/ GORIN worldconnect website: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~sgorin

I have re-appeared finally with news that I have gained access to hundeds of very old (a few newer) books (not in my possession) that gave me a wealth of new information on the Gorin clan. Rather than try to put it together in a book, I will, with your permission, post once a day and go thru this material. I will give you sources for all the material. I think many of your will be greatly pleased. As a brief overview - here are the family members mentioned: L L Terry biography. This gives the entire story of one I posted earlier on the adventures of Catherine Gorin (d/o Henry and Sarah), in her adventures of getting back to KY plus a lot more data on the Terry family as it ties in with us. Rev. A. M Cockerell, s/o Averlina Gorin and Newton Cockrill out of JOhnson Co IL - she the d/o John and Elizabeth Franklin Gorin. Ellen Gorin in Washington Co IL - believe she was Sanford Pell Gorin's dau - will have to double check. Dr James T Crow and his family - backward and frontward - Green Co IL Dr B W Gorin "superior skill by accomplished physician" - Radford Boon in IN Frederick Walker Stith, s/o David and Mary Gorin Stith, Los Angeles CA Dr. B W Gorin - Cited as Pike Co MO physician John Gorin Harvey and Mary Alice - John Gorin's line Gladin Gorin in Nelson Co KY I'll try to get organized. It's downright cold for KY, only reached 19 today with wind chill of 5 and I don't do cold weather anymore. (Don't say anything Tom, I know you're a lot colder where you are!). After adjusting to my dau Kris heading off to college, I'm shifting into the empty-nest routine later in life and it doesn't help that I can't get out and enjoy life due to the cold, some sleet, some feezing rain, some snow! See you tomorrow! Sandi

Tom informed me that St. Saviour's Church is in Old Greenwich CT - sorry! Sandi

Memorial services for Mildred Sweeney Gorin who died Jan 1st, were held this past Monday at the St Savior's Episcopal Church in Riverside, CT. She was honored by family members and friends who will miss her dearly. Burial was in Putnam Cemetery in Greenwich CT beside her late husband, Ernest Bartley Gorin Jr and son, Walter Bartley Gorin. Some of the family members in attendance included her son Tom Gorin and wife Heather and daughters Emily and Annie; grandson Robert B Gorin from NC, granddaughter Barbara Gorin from NY, granddaughter Shelley Gorin Burris and husband Rich of KY and family members of Mildred's sister, Gertrude Morf, of CA. ** Meredith Fleming Gorin of Tempe AZ was united in marriage to Peter Heck of Tempe on 6 December 2003. Meredith is the daughter of Lewis Jefferson (Jeff) Gorin III and the late Christie Gorin; granddaughter of Eleanor Gorin of Louisville KY and the late Lewis Jefferson . Peter is the son of Jim and Karen Heck; grandson of Geneva Motz. Deepest congratulations to Meredith and Peter; I have yet to meet Peter but have known Meredith for the last 14 or so years and she is a delightful and beautiful young lady! If you have any news to post on the Gorin family, please do! You can send an email to the list at: GORIN-L@rootsweb.com. My best - Sandi

Mildred Emily Sweeney Gorin of CT died at her home on the evening of January 1, 2004. Mildred was the widow of Ernest Bartley Gorin, Jr. Her son, Walter Bartley Gorin preceded her also in death. She is survived by: Son: Thomas Bartley Gorin and wife Heather Grandchildren: Robert Bartley Gorin, Barbara Gorin, Annie Bartley Gorin, Emily Bartley Gorin, Kristine Elizabeth Gorin and Michelle Bartley Gorin Burris. And extended family. Our prayers for the family, she will be greatly missed. Sandi

I wanted to let everyone know of the death of the last John D. Gorin (at least as far as we know). Don's "Uncle Johnny" passed away last Friday, November 28, 2003, at age 97. He died in Santa Maria, Santa Barbara County, California, and is buried at the Santa Maria cemetery (funeral was yesterday, December 3). Peggy Farmer

This is from Janice Gerdts and descendant and excellent genealogist on this line. The following are corrections to the line of William Henry Kirkman, son of Bartley William Kirkman.I've made the changes to the website. Sandi Sandi This William Henry was not in Todd Co, KY in 1920. He was in Santa Cruz >Co, CA. #2 Myrtle Guinn is the same as Myrtle Gertrude Guinn and was his >2nd wife. Della Retta being his first. #3 Grace's middle name is spelled >Ar(m)etta. #4 Last child of William Henry and Myrtle Gertrude Guinn >Kirkman is Richard Wallace (living), making 12. Gladys and 13. Richard >Wallace. The last R.W. can be left off. the documentation I have on >the above William Henry Kirkman: Shelby County, IL Census 1860 130/720: >Shelbyville, 19 July, Bartley Kirkman, 28, Nancy, 18, William, 2/12. > Christian County, IL Census 1870: Assumption, Samuel Watkins, 50, >Prudence, 51, Nancy Kirkman, 28, Henry, 10, Alonzo, 7, Charles, 4. > Shelby Co, IL Census 1900: ED 112, sheet 4, Flat Branch, Henry >Kirkman Apr 1860 40 wid IL IL IL farmer, owned farm; Arther son Dec 1882 >17 IL IL OH; Earl son May 1885 15 IL IL OH; James son Aug 1892 11 IL IL OH. > Santa Cruz, California Federal Census, 1910: ED 134, p. 18; >Corralitos Precinct, 4 May; 229/230 W.H. Kirkman, 50, m.2x, 7yrs, b. IL, >father IL, mother IL; Gertrude, 26, m.1x, 7 yrs, 5 ch/5 liv, b. Missouri, >father TN, mother Missouri; Gracie, dau, 6, b. IL; Ray, son, 5, b. IL; >Ruby, dau, 2, b. California; Mildred, dau, 2, b. California; Nellie, dau, >11/12, b. California; Oeth, George, bro-in-law, 30, m.1x, 5yrs, b. IL, >parents, Germany; Lottie, sis-in-law, 25, m.1x, 3 ch/2 liv, b. Missouri, >father TN, mother Missouri; Chester, neph, 3, b. IL; Clyde, neph, 17/12, >b. IL. > Santa Cruz, California Federal Census, 1910: ED 116, p. 14A, Aptos >twp, 1 May, 243/243, Earl Kirkman, 25, single, b. IL, father, IL, mother, >OH, laborer, working out. William Kirkman Family Bible, started by >William Henry Kirkman, 1883 edition, passed to Grace Kirkman Inghram, to >Cecil Kirkman Wilson, to Kirk Kirkman, son of Richard Kirkman (1999). > Funeral cards for: Loran, Cecil, Charles Raymond, Grace. >Fred F. Kuhle deposed that he was well and intimately acquainted with the >Kirkman family since about 1870: that Bartley W. Kerkman who was the >grantee in a certain deed of conveyance, conveying the NE 1/4 of the NE >1/4 of sec 36 twp 13 N Range 2E of the 3rd meridian ....had his name >spelled incorrectly in said deed of conveyance, and that the same should >have been spelled Kirkman: that the said Bartley W. Kirkman departed this >life on or about July 20, 1869, leaving surviving him, Nancy Kirkman, his >widow, and William Henry Kirkman, Don Alonzo Kirkman, and Charles Kirkman >his children; that said widow, afterwards married George Clark; that said >Nancy departed this life on or about April 1 1878: that William H. >Kirkman, grantor in a certain deed of conveyance is one and the same >person as William Henry Kirkman and that he is unmarried on August 8, 1881: > conveyed land to George "Sory" correctly spelled Storey, deposition taken >28 Jan 1922. Shelby, IL, Birth Record, State of IL, GSU Film #: >birth of male child, first for mother, Della Tripp Kirkman, father William >H. Kirkman, father b. IL, age 22, mother b. OH age 19, birth Dec 27th >1882, Rose twp, Shelby County, IL Illinois Death Records, >GSU#1317639: Shelby County, 1-158, Altie May Kirkman, 29 Sep 1898, 2 a.m., >4 yrs old, 4 yrs resident, died of membranous laryngitis, ill 2 weeks, bur >Bethany Church Shelby, IL, copy of original document with J. >Gerdts: marriage certificate of William H. Kirkman of Rural, IL and Della >R. Tripp of same, at res Geo W. Loving, J.P., 30 Oct 1881, wit. Wh.A. >Tripp, Joseph Jenkins >Shelby, IL Marriage Bk 1878-1888, p. 23 (from Winifred Rothermel) >R. Lawrence, J.P. at Johnston City, 25 Mar 19 (03) Santa Cruz, >California Federal Census, 1910: ED 134, p. 18; Corralitos Precinct, 4 >May; 229/230 W.H. Kirkman, 50, m.2x, 7yrs, b. IL, father IL, mother IL; >Gertrude, 26, m.1x, 7 yrs, 5 ch/5 liv, b. Missouri, father TN, mother >Missouri; Gracie, dau, 6, b. IL; Ray, son, 5, b. IL; Ruby, dau, 2, b. >California; Mildred, dau, 2, b. California; Nellie, dau, 11/12, b. >California; Oeth, George, bro-in-law, 30, m.1x, 5yrs, b. IL, parents, >Germany; Lottie, sis-in-law, 25, m.1x, 3 ch/2 liv, b. Missouri, father TN, >mother Missouri; Chester, neph, 3, b. IL; Clyde, neph, 17/12, b. IL. > &&& mother b. Germany; Clyde H. son 21 Illinois father Illinois mother >Missouri; Virgil H. son 14 Illinois; Zella M. dau 12 California; Fern dau >8 California; Hah? Henry J boarder 18 United States father Germany mother >United States. Santa Clara, California, Dept of Health, California >Death Cert 29-020703, cert. copy: William H. Kirkman d. 30 Mar 1939, at Rt >1 Box 510, Coffin Rd, Santa Clara, wife Myrtle G. Kirkman, b. 25 Apr 1860, >Shelbyville, IL, bur Santa Clara Cem, 4/1/39, death due to coronary >occlusion.

I just received the following email and thought a couple of you might be very interested in this info! Sandi Return-path: <ergriff@swbell.net> From: "Ed Griffiths" <ergriff@swbell.net> To: <sgorin@glasgow-ky.com> Subject: James Clay Gorin Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:17:24 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 I am the grandson of James Clay Gorin. My mother is Laurette Gorin Griffiths, she marries Thomas William Griffiths who died on Nov 11, 1997. They had three children. Lee Thomas (deceased) who married JoAnn McDonlad on Dec 31, 1961. They had one son, Thomas William II. He has one son, Chrisotopher Thomas Griffiths. I married Blanche Viola Bennett July 21, 1991 (divorced march of 1998) and we had two children, Courtney Elizabeth ( Sept 18, 1977 and Charlsie Anne, June 1, 1980. My sister Anne Laurette Griffiths married James Grant and has two daughters, Joy Grant (age 19) and Divindy Grant (age 15). I remarried, Patricia Helen Dvorak Shrader in 2000. If you would like any more information on this branch, I would be happy to ask my mother. Thank you. Securities and Investment Advisory Services Offered through Royal Alliance, Inc. A Registered broker-dealer and member NASD/SIPC and investment advisor

Martha - I know you changed your email address and I've lost it. A lady wrote me who would like to contact you - she thinks she might be related to your late (and sorely missed) husband. She is brand new in genealogy. Would you drop me a line please or one of you send me Martha's new addy? Thanks, Sandi Colonel Sandi Gorin SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html SCKY surname registry sites: http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyclinto/reg.html http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyclinto/forms/SCKYreg.html Gorin Publishing: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

Elizabeth Handler who is working with me provided me with a typed copy of the below and I will add a few notes at the end: The newspaper article reads as follows: The Passing of a Century Old Landmark! An unusual and interesting transfer has recently been made that marks the passing of one of the landmarks of old Glasgow. Back of the Public School Building, in the rear of the residence of the late Mr. and Mrs. E.Y. Kilgore, has been the old burial ground of the Gorin family, standing originally in the old Gorin estate. It practically dates back close to one hundred years. By arrangement of the heirs and descendants concerned, the precious human remains have been reverently disinterred, and are now reinterred, with the monuments and markers, in the new Gorin lot in the Glasgow Cemetery. So the old time custom of private burial grounds, common in an earlier day in old Virginia and Kentucky and New England, gives way to the modern usage of a well-kept, hallowed "city of the dead." The Gorin family was one of the earliest in the settlement of this central part of old Kentucky. They were of the fine old Hugenot stock, and bore an honorable and sturdy part in building up the civilization of this portion of the early West. General John Gorin, with his brother-in-law, Joel Franklin, was the first settler of Glasgow, in 1798. His son, Franklin Gorin, was the first white child born in what is now Barren county. Four generations of the family have lived in Glasgow. That gentlewoman, Miss Annie Gorin, of the old cultured manner, grand-daughter of old General Gorin, directly connected through her mother with the famous Campbell Clan and the Duke of Argylle of Scotland, still retains her residence here. ** Now behind the scene. This came from a Glasgow newspaper which I can't find - ended up in Massachusetts thru descendants. The story of the moving of the cemetery is such. Miss Annie was the d/o Franklin Gorin and his last wife, Deborah Putnam Campbell. She was living alone in the Gorin home on West Washington St here in Glasgow that was torn down a few years ago (almost over my dead body!). Behind the house and sloped down slightly was the Gorin Cemetery. I believe that John and Elizabeth Franklin Gorin were buried there, Franklin, his first two wives, children of his who died in their youth and many others. It seems that Miss Annie had a neighbor who lived behind her at the bottom of the slope on another street. She was righeously indignant that while working in her flower garden and entertaining her guests that she had to look at a cemetery. Miss Annie was up in years and most of her immediate family was deceased or had moved from the area. Her 1/2 sister, Alice Gorin Boardman had moved in for a few years after the death of her 2nd husband in Bowling Green, KY, but she had passed. Annie's 1/2 brother, Harry Campbell Gorin had died. He was a single man, one time owner of the Glasgow Times newspaper, a lawyer. Miss Annie was supporting herself by giving piano lessons (she was a concert pianist and an instructor at Liberty College which came almost to their back yard). The neighbor kept pushing Miss Annie (who is still remembered by the oldest generation here) to "get rid of that awful looking cemetery." Finally, Annie relented and made arrangements with someone to move the remains to the new Glasgow cemetery - which at that time would likely have been called the IOFF or Odd Fellow's Cemetery -now Glasgow Municipal. The day of the re-interments was rainy. The nosey neighbor had arisen early, and in her father or husband's black raincoat, had sneaked out before daylight and pushed four poles into the ground - one around each corner of the Gorin cemetery. Then, somehow she took sheets and pinned them together to shroud the cemetery. This way she thought, no one would know what was going on. She then hurried inside and peered out the window. After the break of dawn, an old beat up truck arrived at Miss Annie's house and drove slowly down the slope to the cemetery. Miss Annie stood at the back door of her house watching silently. It was said that the cemetery was so old that few remains could be found, but what remained of the coffins and the stones were loaded on the back of that old truck and the truck inched its way back up to the street with Miss Annie watching. At that moment, Miss Annie's piano student arrived and came to the back door when the front door knocking met with no response. She found Miss Annie standing there silently watching the truck boucing past her with its precious cargo - her family's remains, on the back. The young girl asked "Miss Annie, what's wrong, why are you crying?" Miss Annie stood there a moment, wiped the tears from her eyes and put her arm around the girl. She said softly, "nothing, my dear, we musn't waste your time, you need to start your practicing." When Miss Annie died, she was almost penniless and was so greatly loved by the community. She was one of the original members of the Glasgow Musicale and willed her pump organ to the Catholic church. She had converted to Catholocism while a student in a music school in Lexington. The church let the organ rot away in the high humidity of their basement. Nothing remains - when the house passed to family members in FL, then sold to a company here in Glasgow - everything was removed from the house, which, in its early days, was beautiful. The spiral staircase is in some one's home here in Glasgow. The beautiful crystal chandellier that hung over the piano and sparkled an enchanting pattern which amazed the students - likely is in the same home. The medical clinic next door connected the Gorin house to the clinic and treated tb patients there - destroying one wall of the house and connecting it with an ugly red and white metal awning. The rooms of the Gorin house were converted into patient rooms with the caretaker's living upstairs. Then the clinic discontinued the use of the home, ripped down the long awning and the house sat there. Then it was torn down. All that was left are about 25 bricks which I scrounged from the dumping area and a start to the English ivy that Miss Annie had lovingly planted. It now grows all over a railing along the front of my house. The story of the cemetery removal was given me by a cousin of my daughters who knew of the nosey neighbor and the story which circulated for years about her cruelty to Miss Annie. PS - the cemetery location? It became the parking lot for Western KY University, Glasgow campus, and is now being converted, after years of housing the Glasgow Middle and Glasgow High Schools, as a retirement home. Sandi

A gal named Elizabeth Handler has been working with me on the descendants of Thomas Jefferson Gorin from here in Glasgow and later of Louisville KY - whose later family our family is close to in friendship. She is opening up a whole new line out of one of Thomas Jefferson's daughters. But the biggie is that we finally have a date on the death of Elizabeth Franklin Gorin, first wife of John Gorin. Her stone was stolen and it was hard to date her death because John married another Elizabeth and deeds etc looked the same. We knew it was prior to 1835, the date of his marriage to Elizabeth Turpin Duvall. Here is the post from Elizabeth for your information. Bible, published in Philadelphia by J.B. Lippincott & Co., 1856 Glued in the front are obituaries for Thomas Jefferson Gorin (d. Thursday, January 11, 1883). One page in is a funeral notice for Thomas Jefferson Gorin: Died In Louisville, at 4 A.M., on Thursday, January 11th, 1883, Thomas J. Gorin. The funeral services, conducted by Rev. J.J. Hynes, will take place at the Methodist church, in Glasgow, to-day, at eleven oclock A.M., immediately after which the remains will be buried at the family graveyard, near the old family residence. The friends of the family are invited to attend. Saturday, Jan. 13, 1883. On the following page is handwritten: Miss Florence Gorin Presented by her Pa T.J. Gorin. In the middle section: Marriages. Tho. J. Gorin + Mary Ann Bowman were married  December 27th 1831 D.M. Ashby + Mary Elizabeth Gorin were married February 11th 1857 Henry E. Murrell + Emma Gorin were married 3rd Nov 1858 James E. Gorin + Mary Rogers were married 15th January 1860 John A. Lee + my daughter Florence Gorin, the Darling of my heart, were married 19th October 1880, Tuesday at 2 Ock P.M. [?] Church, Louisville, Ky; by Reverend Mr. H[?]gor and may the God of Peace go with them. Births. Tho. J. Gorin was Born Anno domines 1808 27th January Mary A. Bowman was Born March 2nd 1814 Mary E. Gorin was Born 28th June 1833 James Edward Gorin was Born August 29th 1835 Laura Gorin was Born August 8th 1837 Emma Gorin was Born 24th March 1839 Ellen Gorin was Born 29th March 1844 Thos. Gorin was Born March 4th 1847 Florence Gorin was Born Nov. 8th 1857 [next page] Granville Bowman was born 28st [sic] March 1786 Died August 11th Augt 1841 Polly Bowman his wife was born 30th Augt 1793 Died March 1850 Granville Bowman + Polly Walthall, were married 16th May 1809 Deaths. Thos. Gorin Died 3rd Nov. 1847 Laura Gorin Died 30th day Sept. 1853 Ellen Gorin Died 13th August 1858. Friday night between 10 + 11 Ock. John Gorin Father of Tho. J. Gorin  Died 6th August 1837. Born May 1763 Elizabeth Gorin his wife Died March 1824. Sandi

I'm wondering if some of you with time on your hands and a lot of internet expertise could give me a helping hand. I'd bless you forever but it'll likely be a dead-end. There was a fellow named Henry Jerome Gorin Jr who died a couple of years ago out in San Francisco. He was the son of Henry Jerome Sr who was the son of ,,, back to Henry and Sarah Pell. I corresponded with him for a few years back in the very early 70's when I first started this Gorin searching that's still going. Anyway, Henry Jerome Jr was an accomplished artist. He was commissioned to do a series of prints for the Marines, don't know when but prior to 1972 at least. He sent me a lithograph of the tall ships 1778 - it is fabulous. Over the years and 13 moves, I'd lost it - found it last week and am trying to flatten it out and get the creases out. I am positive he did more from what I remember of our correspondence and I am trying to find someone who still might have them for sale. At the bottom of the litho it says "ITT Marine Products Collection". He signed his name as H J Gorin. I've looked at some sites and can find a lot of Marine prints, but not his. If any of you can find someone who still has these for sale at a reasonable price ... it would be great. I have always been fond of the sea (tho not a swimmer at all), and love the old battle ships and tall sails. This is not an assignment, but if you find anything, please let me know. He has a sister who I am trying to find, she is an artist also (we've met personally many yrs ago) ... that would be a good lead for me! Thanks so much!!! Sandi

Father Walker moved from Chicago in the fall of 1833 ten miles west, where he bought a lot of land. It as near what was then known as the Aux Plaines River, now called the Desplaines [now Des Plaines]. He had land on both sides of the river, and as there was no bridge, Father Walker built himself one. It was but a rough affair, but it answered the purpose. It was at least two hundred feet long. When the government put the first road through to Galena it was built through Father Walker's land. Before the bridge was built Father Walker used to ferry people, horses and vehicles across the river by using two Indian canoes, on which he built a rude platform, which answered the purpose very well. Father Walker died in 1835 at the age of 68 years. He was buried at Plainfield and the ministers of the Rock River conference erected a monument over his grave. He was known as "The Pioneer Preacher of the West." Intended to Found Sionilli". "It was the purpose of Father Walker before he died to establish a town at his home place. He had selected a name for it, Illinois spelt backwards "Sionilli", and the night he died a kiln of 100,000 bricks had been burned for him by a man named Josiah Blodgett. He had planned to build a large hotel with the brick. A few years ago I tried to find the location of my old home. It is somewhere near Oak Park, and in company with Mrs. I. E. Brown, who resides at Oak Park, I drove to where I thought was the old ground. I tried in vain to locate the point where the old bridge had been built, but fifty years had wrought so manychanges that I was really lost at my old home. "Father Walker helped lay off some of the streets of Chicago early in the spring of 834. They sent for him to assist in the work. I remember when he came home he told us that most of the streets were named for Presidents and that one was named Dearborn after the fort. How well I remember old 'Fort Dearborn.' After the treaty the soldiers were sent to Green Bay, Wis. We did not need them any more at Chicago. There were eightly soldiers and I remember they went right past our house. The old bridge shook when they marched across it. "There were any amount of Indians in and around Chicago. I remember that on one occasion I saw over 500 in one body. They came to Chicago to have a dance on the dancing ground, which was about half a mile west of the lake shore. The white people went out to see them dance and to give them presents. We got word about the approach of the Indians, but when they came we were nearly frightened into fits. They came to our house expecting to see Father Walker, but he had gone away 40 miles distant with mother to get a load of provisions. They were much disappointed because he was not at home. We had just finished getting dinner when the Indians came. We all ran away, and when we came back we found that the Indians had eaten every bit of our dinner, and even took the pendulum off the clock. It was brass, and bright things always attract an Indian.I shall never forget that. They took some of the knives and spoons and left the forks; it was so strange, for they have no use for forks. Father Walker said, when he returned, that if he had been thee he would have killed an ox and given then a barbecue. "We had a little Indian girl with us, half Indian and half French, named Monique Muller. When the old Indian, Robinson, her uncle, gave her to Dather Walker he requested him to rear her as a white child. When the Indians came she was as frightened as we were, but the invaders were quiet people and did not injury to anyone. They made the journey every fall and always took everything before them. Newspapers Were Scarce. "Newspapers were not as plentiful then as now, nor were there as many scholars and schools. The first physicians were Dr Meecham, Dr. Minor, Dr. Eldridge, Dr Underwood, who was the first phrenologist?, and Dr. Goodrich. There were two lawyers, Mr. Peck and Mr. Collins. Father Walker was the only Protestant minister there in 1833. There was no church, but one was built soon after we came to Chicago. The Rev. John S. Barger and the Rev. Colston were ministers who came after Father Walker. "The Pottawatomie Indians were the original owers of the land where Chicago now stands. They were friendly Indians and made no trouble. I remember quite wellwhen the agent of the government made payment to the Indians for the land and when the treaty was ratified. Billy Cullwell was the Indian Agent at Chicago. At no time was there any trouble with the Pottawatomies. It was old Black Hawk andthe Indians of the Sac Nation who caused the trouble and brought on this war. Era of Puffed Sleeves. "They say the fashion now in dress is the 1830 style. It was 1838 before the present big puffs in dresses came out. Then we wore padded puff's inside our sleeves. We took two yards of material and folded it cornerwise and cut off the --- to make it the right shape and put it all in the puff. Afterwards the fashion changed from big puffs to ruffles. It was told by the Indians that Lake Michigan would rise seven years and fall seven years. When we came away in 1838 the lake was rising and they had to use stepping blocks on Lake street. I don't remember whether the people were frightened or not, but the water washed away the mud-bar on which George E. Walker and Jim Kinzie had houses. The rise of the water ruined both men financially. Walker was a nephew of Father Walker's. I well remember that all throught what is now known as the Wise Side - it was swampy. I do not think I will ever visit Chicago again, but if Ido it willbe a time when the old settlers meet again." The End! The article also has a pencil drawing of Eleanor and if anyone is interested in seeing it, I will scan it and send it to you privately - rootsweb doesn't allow attachments. Hope you enjoyed this! Sandi

I think all of you will enjoy this even if you are not connected immediately to this line. This is an article which was carried in the 7 Nov 1893 issue, page 3 of the Decatur Daily Republican, Decatur, Macon, IL. I will have to do this in 2-3 posts. The author of this article is Eleanor Gorin, wife of Jerome Rinaldo Gorin, he the son of John Darns and Martha Thomas Gorin, he the son of Henry and Sarah Pell Gorin. Old-Time Memories. Mrs. Eleanor Gorin, of Decatur, Ill., talks of Early Chicago. She Lived here when the city was an infant with few white people and thousands of Indians -- "Father" Walker was her step-father, andshe tellssome interesting stories of his career - reminisences of people and places in the early days. Chicago Tribune, October 26. Decatur, Ill., Oct. 25 - [Special Correspondence.] -- There dwells in Decatur a pious and motherly old lady who lived in Chicago when in the spelling-books of the '30's the name was spelled "Chickaugo," and when only a few white people and thousands of Indians were in the vicinity of old Fort Dearborn. Her name is Mrs. Eleanor E. D. Gorin, wife of the Hon. Jerome R. Gorin, who has lived in Decatur for half a century as a merchant and banker, and is a leading member of the First M.E.Church. He was at one time Eminent Commander of the Illinois Commandery, Knights Templar, and is a thirty-second degree Mason. He has a comfortable home on Prairie avenue, one of the fashionable streets in the city, and by his courtesy the Tribune correspondent was privileged to meet Mrs. Gorin and chat with her about the early history of Chicago. Five years of her girlhood, from 11 to 17, were spent among the Indians in and near Chicago, and before she left in 1838 she could speak the Indian tongue quite fluently. Even now, after the lapse of nearly sixty years, she can speak many Indian words, accompanied by the invariable but much-meaning motions of the aborinines. Mrs. Gorin was asked to give some of her recollections of Chicago, and in an easy and conversational manner she readily responded. Remembers Chicago When It Was A Baby. "O, yes," she replied. "I remember Chicago when it was a baby. I lived there when my mother said she could stand in her front door and count all the dwellings in the place. I was but 11 years old when I first saw Chicago. That was in October, 1833, just sixty years ago. I lived there five years, coming back to Decatur in 1838. My father was Isaac Fawcett and I was born in Virginia. My maiden name was Eleanor Elizabeth Douglas Fawcett. Father died after he came west, and after several years mother married the Rev. Jesse Walker, who was reverentialy called Father Walker by all of the Indians and the white people. The marriage occured in 1833 in Chicago, and the Rev. William See, a Methodist minister who lived south of Chicago, officiated. "I cannot tell exactly how big Chicago was then - I was not quite 11 years old. After Father Walker died mother and I left Chicago and came to Decatur. That was in 1838. There were over 3,000 people there then. Chicago was only a village in 1838, with only two streets - Lake street, close by the lake, and Water street, and the ground was quite marshy. The town was close to where the two Sac Nations who caused the trouble and brought on the war. Col. I. C. Pugh of Decatur, and one of my cousins were in the Black Hawk war. It was in 1834 that Billy Cullwell rode on horse back from Chicago to Washington City to have the Indian treaty ratified. Before that there were but very few white people there, only Indians and 80 soldiers in Fort Dearborn. The old fort, I remember it well. The white people were afraidto come before 1834. "In the latter part of 1833 Giote La-flambeaux and his brother-in-law, Alex. Robinson, Chief of the Pottawaxmie tribe, received money from the government in payment for the land, also blankets, blue broadcloth, blue calico, tobacco, clay pipes, ribbons, beads, etc. They had the money in two bags. They had no confidence in each other and they wanted the money counted, and they carred it to Father Walker's home. It was all in silver half dollars. They poured the money out on a table and I was present when the counting was done. I don't know how much money there was, but after it was counted it was stacked in a trunk. It was said that the Indians got about three cents per acre for the land. Chicago Begins To Grow. "After the treaty was ratified, Chicago began to grow rapidly. Eastern people kept pouring in and taking up claims. They could get land at $1.25 an acre if they were actual settlers. Father Walker was the first Methodist missionary in the West.He was sent out by the general conference which met in Baltimore, Md., and he preached to the Indians through an interpreter. He had done missionary work among the Indians before Illinois was admitted to the Union in 1818. He established the first Methodist church at St.Louis. I wish I could tell you all the good things about Father Walker. He was truly a nobleman. Everything had to be settled for the Indians by him; anything he said was 'law and gospel' with the Indians; they had perfect confidence in him and loved him dearly. They mourned for him when he died and put stripes and black dots on their faces. Because of Father's Walker's work in the early days of Chicago, I have always felt an interest in the city, but my mother bought two lots on Water street and was swindled out of them. She was to pay $500 and had paid $250 and when she went to pay the balance she learned that the party with whom she contracted had no title in them: the deal was a swindle and because of that experience I have always felt a little hurt. Those lots are quite valuable now. to be continued in next post.