Yes, of course. But that can lead to confusion too. Think of Central Europe. My own inclination is to start with the period name and add the modern name in brackets (remembering that the modern name is also unlikely to be fixed for ever) ... so Vryheid, Nieuwe Republiek (now Vryheid, KwaZulu-Natal, South Africa) ... or Königsberg, East Prussia (now Kaliningrad, Russian enclave of Kaliningrad Oblast) .... or Pozsony, Austria-Hungary (now Bratislava, Slovakia) ... or Lwów, Poland (now Lviv, Ukraine) etc etc.... Geoff On 11 March 2017 at 10:13, W. Paul Featherstone <wpaulf@gmail.com> wrote: > But Geoff you would record all the places as found? Yes!! > > Well I would, I had the same experience the other day with Kegworth, > Derbyshire and Leicestershire > > Paul > > 2627 > > > > On 11/3/17 10:02 AM, Geoff Chew wrote: >> >> On 11 Mar 2017, at 09:01, John Keith Coldwell <johnkcoldwell@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Is the answer to adopt a standard glossary of places eg Ancestry.com >>> although I would not offer to go back and change the thousends of >>> names in my database. >> >> If one needs to standardize place names, Family Historian does make it >> easy to edit thousands of occurrences through a database across the board. >> But I think some discretion is needed. There is one case in my extended >> family where a 19th-century forebear had 5 marriages all in the same place >> (they were Zulu tribal marriages, so polygamous). The place in question, >> Vryheid now in northern KwaZulu-Natal, South Africa, was in different >> jurisdictions for 4 of the marriages, the Kingdom of Zululand, the >> short-lived New Republic (a secessionist Boer republic), the (Boer) South >> African Republic, and finally the Colony of Natal. (He died before it became >> a 5th jurisdiction, the Union of South Africa.) Any understanding of the >> history of the family would be erased if one standardized the name of the >> place, because he died intestate and the white family tried to argue that >> the marriages had not been legal - the argument turning of course on their >> legality under the various jurisdictions - in order to dispossess the black >> wives and get their hands on his money. Fortunately, they seem not to have >> succeeded. >> >> Geoff Chew 5389 >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? >> http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? > http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message -- Geoff Chew geoffchew1@gmail.com
My Software has the ability to date the places- not that I've used it yet, but I am hardly up to 1974 in very few, which is where the main place changes in my UK based people will occur. I need to get up to speed in US place changes Paul 2627 On 11/3/17 10:30 AM, Geoff Chew wrote: > Yes, of course. But that can lead to confusion too. Think of Central > Europe. My own inclination is to start with the period name and add > the modern name in brackets (remembering that the modern name is also > unlikely to be fixed for ever) ... so Vryheid, Nieuwe Republiek (now > Vryheid, KwaZulu-Natal, South Africa) ... or Königsberg, East Prussia > (now Kaliningrad, Russian enclave of Kaliningrad Oblast) .... or > Pozsony, Austria-Hungary (now Bratislava, Slovakia) ... or Lwów, > Poland (now Lviv, Ukraine) etc etc.... > Geoff > > On 11 March 2017 at 10:13, W. Paul Featherstone <wpaulf@gmail.com> wrote: >> But Geoff you would record all the places as found? Yes!! >> >> Well I would, I had the same experience the other day with Kegworth, >> Derbyshire and Leicestershire >> >> Paul >> >> 2627 >> >> >> >> On 11/3/17 10:02 AM, Geoff Chew wrote: >>> On 11 Mar 2017, at 09:01, John Keith Coldwell <johnkcoldwell@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> Is the answer to adopt a standard glossary of places eg Ancestry.com >>>> although I would not offer to go back and change the thousends of >>>> names in my database. >>> If one needs to standardize place names, Family Historian does make it >>> easy to edit thousands of occurrences through a database across the board. >>> But I think some discretion is needed. There is one case in my extended >>> family where a 19th-century forebear had 5 marriages all in the same place >>> (they were Zulu tribal marriages, so polygamous). The place in question, >>> Vryheid now in northern KwaZulu-Natal, South Africa, was in different >>> jurisdictions for 4 of the marriages, the Kingdom of Zululand, the >>> short-lived New Republic (a secessionist Boer republic), the (Boer) South >>> African Republic, and finally the Colony of Natal. (He died before it became >>> a 5th jurisdiction, the Union of South Africa.) Any understanding of the >>> history of the family would be erased if one standardized the name of the >>> place, because he died intestate and the white family tried to argue that >>> the marriages had not been legal - the argument turning of course on their >>> legality under the various jurisdictions - in order to dispossess the black >>> wives and get their hands on his money. Fortunately, they seem not to have >>> succeeded. >>> >>> Geoff Chew 5389 >>> _____________________________________________ >>> >>> RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? >>> http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >>> the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? >> http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message > >
The benefit of Chapman Codes they were consistent and took up very little Space but sadly haven't been adopted universally throughout the genealogical world. I am in the process of rewriting place names in full having used Chapman Codes throughout the world over the last forty years of research. RootsMagic will find and replace but be careful cos you can't rely on it to be consistent. The benefit of RootsMagic you are given two fields to enter place name, and Street, institution etc., John -----Original Message----- From: GOONS [mailto:goons-bounces+registrar=lawsfamilyregister.org.uk@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of W. Paul Featherstone Sent: 11 March 2017 11:33 To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] Place Names My Software has the ability to date the places- not that I've used it yet, but I am hardly up to 1974 in very few, which is where the main place changes in my UK based people will occur. I need to get up to speed in US place changes Paul 2627 On 11/3/17 10:30 AM, Geoff Chew wrote: > Yes, of course. But that can lead to confusion too. Think of Central > Europe. My own inclination is to start with the period name and add > the modern name in brackets (remembering that the modern name is also > unlikely to be fixed for ever) ... so Vryheid, Nieuwe Republiek (now > Vryheid, KwaZulu-Natal, South Africa) ... or Königsberg, East Prussia > (now Kaliningrad, Russian enclave of Kaliningrad Oblast) .... or > Pozsony, Austria-Hungary (now Bratislava, Slovakia) ... or Lwów, > Poland (now Lviv, Ukraine) etc etc.... > Geoff > > On 11 March 2017 at 10:13, W. Paul Featherstone <wpaulf@gmail.com> wrote: >> But Geoff you would record all the places as found? Yes!! >> >> Well I would, I had the same experience the other day with Kegworth, >> Derbyshire and Leicestershire >> >> Paul >> >> 2627 >> >> >> >> On 11/3/17 10:02 AM, Geoff Chew wrote: >>> On 11 Mar 2017, at 09:01, John Keith Coldwell >>> <johnkcoldwell@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> Is the answer to adopt a standard glossary of places eg >>>> Ancestry.com although I would not offer to go back and change the >>>> thousends of names in my database. >>> If one needs to standardize place names, Family Historian does make >>> it easy to edit thousands of occurrences through a database across the board. >>> But I think some discretion is needed. There is one case in my >>> extended family where a 19th-century forebear had 5 marriages all in >>> the same place (they were Zulu tribal marriages, so polygamous). The >>> place in question, Vryheid now in northern KwaZulu-Natal, South >>> Africa, was in different jurisdictions for 4 of the marriages, the >>> Kingdom of Zululand, the short-lived New Republic (a secessionist >>> Boer republic), the (Boer) South African Republic, and finally the >>> Colony of Natal. (He died before it became a 5th jurisdiction, the >>> Union of South Africa.) Any understanding of the history of the >>> family would be erased if one standardized the name of the place, >>> because he died intestate and the white family tried to argue that >>> the marriages had not been legal - the argument turning of course on >>> their legality under the various jurisdictions - in order to >>> dispossess the black wives and get their hands on his money. Fortunately, they seem not to have succeeded. >>> >>> Geoff Chew 5389 >>> _____________________________________________ >>> >>> RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? >>> http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? >> http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message