I haven’t seen much discussion on this thread and I’ve been holding off responding, while going through my files and generating a goodly bunch of IMPs for submittal: almost complete: over 1,000 - only years 1904 - 1911 to go !. I definitely see a significant value to the IMP database, but I mightily concur with Robert’s request/plea for incremental searching, of this and any user-contributed databases. By this we mean that entries are date-damped, so one can do a search on one day then do a return search months later and ask only for new/changed entries since that date. I’ve sort of slacked off in doing searches on the GMI due to the hassle of finding (for example) there are 17 new entries from the last time I downloaded results, but having to identify those 17 only by brute force Excel/dbms matching. All that’s needed (yeah, sounds easy enough, but I know implementation is likely a bit uglier) is a date-stamp field in the records Scott Shenton (GOONS 5292) Indialantic, Florida, USA Shenton one name study http://shenton.tribalpages.com > On Feb 18, 2017, at 2:31 PM, Robert Fowler <rlkfowlerons@gmail.com> wrote: > > Cliff > > Since the subject of IMPS is now open for discussion, members should > be allowed to suggest how they appear. > > The current GMI is a catchall for three types of marriages: 1837-1851 > up to 4 pairs, 1852-1911 1 or 2 pairs, & post 1911 1 known marriage > > The idea of IMPS works well for one type only 1852-1911. > > Should we improve the GMI by separating these marriages from the other > types, after all a database is more efficient and faster when > tailored to one set of variables? > > Then we should consider this database should work. > > The current GMI contains numerous duplications, since in the old days > the names of both partners were added, searchable from both ends. > > ie A search of Fowler marriages produces 2314 results of which 703 are > duplicates at last count. > > Maybe an IMPS GMI should be events based rather than name based. > The event being a marriage with two partners and two IMPS, with all > four names being searchable? > > Each event having one source reference, applicable to both the primary > and IMPs partners > > > I will go into more details as the discussion develops. One definite > improvement needed is incremental searching, a large number of the > IMPS currently showing on the GMI were supplied by me to be added to > the valid Fowler entries, not as separate items. I have no wish to > go through every entry already submitted in order to supply more. > > Robert Fowler 5464 > > On 18 February 2017 at 18:15, Clifford Kemball > <cliff.kemball@ntlworld.com> wrote: >> Hi >> >> I have recently put a posting on the Guild's Web Forum requesting Guild >> members to help increase the number of entries in the Guild Marriage Index >> by adding in Inferred Marriage Partners (IMPs) entries - see >> http://one-name.org/forums/topic/gmi-inferred-marriage-partners/#post-28600 >> >> For those members who do not go onto the Web Forum I have repeated the >> request below: >> >> >> As the Guild Marriage Index Coordinator I am responsible for maintaining the >> Guild Marriage Index (GMI), comprising a list of marriages that took place >> between July 1837 and June 1945 collected from individuals, Marriage >> Challengers and people transcribing marriage Locator Points (Cardinal >> Points). >> >> The Guild Marriage Index was last updated on Monday, 13th February 2017, and >> contains entries for 1,098,669 marriages. I have set a target to increase >> the number of entries in the Guild Marriage Index to 2 Million. There are a >> large number of entries to be uploaded to the Guild Marriage Index in the >> coming months, but one major source of increasing the number of entries in >> the Guild Marriage Index is to upload Inferred Marriage Partner entries. >> >> *Inferred Marriage Partner entries* >> For every entry we have in the Guild Marriage Index for the period March >> quarter 1952 to the December quarter 1911 it is possible to infer the other >> marriage which has the same GRO quarter and GRO page number – where two >> marriages are on the page. An example would be 1852, quarter 2, 1d 327, >> Newington, Walworth St Peter: >> >> Forenames Surname Spouse Surname SpouseFornames Date >> Robert Henry Embleton Buck Sarah Ann 1852 IMP >> Benjamin Hammond Fowler Kenzia 28Jun1852 CP >> >> At present there are 1,085 IMP entries in the Guild Marriage Index, so the >> potential to increase the number of such entries is very significant. I >> would like to encourage all Guild members to examine their own entries in >> the Guild Marriage Index with a view to determining all the Inferred >> Marriage Partner entries that could be uploaded to the GMI. In FreeBMD >> you’ll get a list of all the people whose entries are on that page of the >> Register, and from March quarter 1852 to December quarter 1911 it will show >> up to four names. If there are four names, and if you can pair up two of the >> names, then you will know that the other two names also form a pair. Prior >> to 1852 there can be up to eight names, so it is less likely that you will >> be able to match up other pairs of marriages. From March quarter 1912 the >> marriage partners are shown in FreeBMD so there is less need to enter IMPs >> from 1912 into the GMI, although they can be entered if you wish. >> >> The process for producing these Inferred Marriage Partner entries is fairly >> straight forward. You start with a list of your own entries in the GMI and >> then add in a further six columns which will record the Inferred Marriage >> Partner entries – the columns being >> Year2 Surname2 Spouse Forenames2 Spouse Surname2 Member2 >> >> On the Web Forum I have I have attached two files which demonstrate this >> process. The first is a file called – *Kemball IMP 1.xlsx* – which has some >> 82 entries from my “Kemball” GMI entries. >> The second file is called *Kemball IMP.xlsx* – which has the Inferred >> Marriage Partner entries included. The second file will be use to upload the >> additional Inferred Marriage Partner entries to the GMI. Please note that >> some of the IMP entries are blank – this is because there are only two names >> shown for the GRO volume and GRO page number. >> >> If you would like to produce your own file for creating Inferred Marriage >> Partner entries I suggest you email me and I will provide you with a copy of >> the Kemball IMP.xlsx file for you to add in your own GMI entries. If >> required I can produce a file for you showing the GMI entries under your >> membership number. >> >> It is then a process of looking up each of the entries in >> http://www.freebmd.org.uk and adding in the Inferred Marriage Partner >> details in the additional columns above – namely Year2, Forenames2, >> Surname2, Spouse Forenames2 and Spouse Surname2. For the last column – >> Member 2 – simply enter IMP. Year 2 should be the same as the Year column. >> In the unlikely event that you know the actual date of the marriage for the >> IMP entry you can add in the “day” and “month” data. When you have added in >> the Inferred Marriage Partner details, please email the file to me at >> marriage-index@one-name.org <mailto:marriage-index@one-name.org> and I will >> arrange for the IMP entries to be uploaded to the GMI. >> >> Cliff Kemball >> GMI Co-ordinator >> >> >> Read more at >> http://one-name.org/forums/topic/gmi-inferred-marriage-partners/#cKbwdCTuRlcmSVI6.99 >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Guild speakers list: >> http://one-name.org/speakers/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > > Guild speakers list: > http://one-name.org/speakers/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message