Thanks for all those helpful suggestions about "late". I think perhaps the one who was "late" moved during the year, possibly to live with his father. The rate list 1813 is a transcription published in Notts Record series, which notes the two names on different pages, although the same road. More research needed.... Steve Tanner Hempsall ONS ----Original message---- >From : polly@rowberry.org Date : 12/03/2017 - 08:58 (GMTST) To : s.tanner645@btinternet.com, goons@rootsweb.com Subject : Re: [G] Meaning of "late" Normally "late" in a List of Ratepayers (or similar such as Tithe Apportionments) means that the property was "late in the occupation of", normally indicating that the property was at present empty (although sometimes you may get A. B. late X. Y. indicating a change of occupier) and that the last occupier had been the person named. All it means is that they have vacated that property. They may have moved to another property or a different place, but of course it may be death which has caused their departure.....then you will sometimes see that the "occupiers" are given as the "Executors of....X" or "Trustees of....X", especially if X had been the owner, when they would still be liable for any debts to his (or her) estate. But in this instance it doesn't mean that they are dead. Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "S TANNER" <s.tanner645@btinternet.com> To: <goons@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 7:33 PM Subject: [G] Meaning of "late" Can anyone offer their opinion on the following entries in the Mansfield 1813 Ratepayers’ list? Hempwall, Joseph, Stockwell Gate, £1 – 10s – 8 Hempwall, William, (late) Stockwell Gate, 2s – 9d (Hempwall being an error for Hempsall) Does “late” mean (a) that William had died during the year OR (b) that he was still alive but no longer resided there, so perhaps they were after him for what they thought he owed OR (c) that he was late with his payment, or had not paid at all. Of Joseph, I know he was a publican keeping the “Admiral Nelson” in 1822-26 (from an Alehouse recognizance list) and that the pub was taken over in 1827 by his son William after his death in 1826. So that would preclude meaning (1) above, assuming it was the same chap. But if it refers to an older man, then there should have been a burial in Mansfield PR around the time – and there isn’t one. The younger one died in 1840. Ideas welcome Steve Tanner HEMPSALL ONS _____________________________________________ RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message