Just occasionally one comes across a place name one can't fathom, I'm currently indexing from 1939 register and recently came across a Vultures Nest, Kington RD HER UK As to this string my conclusion is Roger & Ken have it about right, I like to use pre 1974 counties and love chapman codes and am very tempted to return to them, they served me well for 30-40 years. -----Original Message----- From: GOONS [mailto:goons-bounces+registrar=lawsfamilyregister.org.uk@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roger Goacher Sent: 11 March 2017 14:01 To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] Place Names Like it Ken. But hey, there is no 'right' way. We are researching as a hobby not, usually, as some academic exercise. Do what suits you. I almost always use Chapman codes, State and Province codes. Why not? I know what they mean, and don't get confused. My wife was born in Bath, Somerset UK. We married in Bath, Avon UK, and my in-laws subsequently died in Bath, BANES (Bath and North East Somerset) UK. All the same place; different times; different designations. My records show, for all four events on UK exclusive tree, 'Bath SOM' - suits me. Roger Goacher Researching the surname Goacher & variants anytime anywhere www.goacher.org -----Original Message----- From: Ken Toll Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 10:33 AM To: Goons mailing list Subject: Re: [G] Place Names Marie, Just a contrary thought... - IF - I leave the locations somewhat ambiguous, perhaps visitors will get in touch, rather than rob the data and run! ...And just maybe I'll learn something from their research as well... Ken --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _____________________________________________ RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Googling "Vultures Nest" and "Herefordshire" leads to this page: www.r5r.eu/awir/Whitney/WhitneyBulloughNWS.doc from which it appears that it was a house, now ruined, in the middle of Whitney Wood, west of Whitney on Wye and just north of the toll bridge that leads from the A438 to Hay on Wye. Chris Pitt Lewis On 11/03/2017 15:06, John P Laws wrote: > Just occasionally one comes across a place name one can't fathom, I'm > currently indexing from 1939 register and recently came across a Vultures > Nest, Kington RD HER UK > > As to this string my conclusion is Roger & Ken have it about right, I like > to use pre 1974 counties and love chapman codes and am very tempted to > return to them, they served me well for 30-40 years. > > -----Original Message----- > From: GOONS > [mailto:goons-bounces+registrar=lawsfamilyregister.org.uk@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Roger Goacher > Sent: 11 March 2017 14:01 > To: goons@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [G] Place Names > > Like it Ken. > > But hey, there is no 'right' way. We are researching as a hobby not, > usually, as some academic exercise. Do what suits you. I almost always use > Chapman codes, State and Province codes. Why not? I know what they mean, > and don't get confused. > > My wife was born in Bath, Somerset UK. We married in Bath, Avon UK, and my > in-laws subsequently died in Bath, BANES (Bath and North East Somerset) UK. > All the same place; different times; different designations. My records > show, for all four events on UK exclusive tree, 'Bath SOM' - suits me. > > Roger Goacher > Researching the surname Goacher & variants anytime anywhere www.goacher.org > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Toll > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 10:33 AM > To: Goons mailing list > Subject: Re: [G] Place Names > > Marie, > > Just a contrary thought... > > - IF - I leave the locations somewhat ambiguous, perhaps visitors will get > in touch, rather than rob the data and run! > > ...And just maybe I'll learn something from their research as well... > > Ken > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? > http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? > http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Hi John >>Vultures Nest, Kington RD HER UK<< Except that there are several things wrong with that statement. First, Herefordshire is notorious in the 1939 National Register for only identifying the Registration District (and the Sub-district if you understand the codes - which are the same as those in the printed census reports long ago used as indexes to the films at the PRO etc) and the name of the place itself. You have to work out the parish from the names of the properties, and these don't often help as each parish seems to duplicate most of the house/farm names in the next parish, and the next. I use the council's map (Google "Explore Herefordshire Map") which I use for finding properties when I am Electoral Register Canvassing to try and identify as many of the house names as possible and pin them down collectively to one place. If this fails (as it does with this name) then I search the places in our BMD index - mostly given as just parish, but sometimes you get lucky, but not in this case. Then I look at the "Herefordshire Field Names" (Google the quotes - they are taken from the Tithe Maps for Herefordshire) to see if they offer any clue. None here! And then I resort to Google as Chris Pitt has already done, and sometimes you do get lucky, although sometimes it can just be a reference to the document that I've just found it in.....very frustrating! However for some reason I cannot open the document, my AV program doesn't like it....so in this case I'm none the wiser about it, but it is quite likely, as the woods of Herefordshire are full of derelict cottage remains although they have been swept away in the fields....and looking at the old OS 6" map on FMP it is clearly marked in the place Chris describes. Looking for the nearest property named on that map in the modern Explore....map shows that is still there, although more prosaically "2 Woodside" now and is in Brilley Civil Parish. The old OS map shows that the parish boundary (even then CP but normally in rural HEF the same as the ecclesiastical parish) runs between the two properties along the wood boundary, so I guess that it was in Whitney-on-Wye parish. If you can tell me some of the other house names John then I can check on the Explore.... Map. The next thing is that the Chapman Code for Herefordshire is HEF, not HER, which could be easily confused with Hertfordshire (which is HRT) - and as the people in London think we live there quite often, even when the full county name is being used, there is enough of that already! And of course between 1974 and 1998 the county name was "Hereford and Worcester".....until we got a divorce and went back to living separately (except for the rubbish collection!). And while this place is actually in HEF, a lot of the parishes which made up the Kington RD were actually in RAD (Radnorshire) so you CANNOT allocate a county to a Registration District, unless you give the whole choice (and many cover three counties!). And then as a place Herefordshire is definitely part of England. I don't think that the UK is really helpful in this case..... HTH Polly HEF RR! ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P Laws" <registrar@lawsfamilyregister.org.uk> To: <goons@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [G] Place Names Just occasionally one comes across a place name one can't fathom, I'm currently indexing from 1939 register and recently came across a Vultures Nest, Kington RD HER UK As to this string my conclusion is Roger & Ken have it about right, I like to use pre 1974 counties and love chapman codes and am very tempted to return to them, they served me well for 30-40 years. -----Original Message----- From: GOONS [mailto:goons-bounces+registrar=lawsfamilyregister.org.uk@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roger Goacher Sent: 11 March 2017 14:01 To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] Place Names Like it Ken. But hey, there is no 'right' way. We are researching as a hobby not, usually, as some academic exercise. Do what suits you. I almost always use Chapman codes, State and Province codes. Why not? I know what they mean, and don't get confused. My wife was born in Bath, Somerset UK. We married in Bath, Avon UK, and my in-laws subsequently died in Bath, BANES (Bath and North East Somerset) UK. All the same place; different times; different designations. My records show, for all four events on UK exclusive tree, 'Bath SOM' - suits me. Roger Goacher Researching the surname Goacher & variants anytime anywhere www.goacher.org -----Original Message----- From: Ken Toll Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 10:33 AM To: Goons mailing list Subject: Re: [G] Place Names Marie, Just a contrary thought... - IF - I leave the locations somewhat ambiguous, perhaps visitors will get in touch, rather than rob the data and run! ...And just maybe I'll learn something from their research as well... Ken --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _____________________________________________ RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message