Hi An nice start to an interesting discussion. My mind went completely down the wrong route! I feel I am among many who have a long list to get "up to date" by making them in full rather than shortened or abbreviated. One area I am having problems with is that most of my ONS in the UK come from a small area, however Middlesex has shrunk and London has grown but a family is in the same place, just the borders moved around them (also happened to me as a child but Essex to London). I am never sure of the right way to record this. Also sometimes the border appears to move back and forth due to mis recording and transcription being updated incorrectly. It means when I compare censuses the counties of residence is not right. Nikki Brown #6552 Pullum ONS https://pullumons.wordpress.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corinne Curtis" <corinneinorkney@gmail.com> To: goons@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 11 March, 2017 9:48:37 AM Subject: Re: [G] Place Names I have got hopelessly inconsistent with my place names, and it is on my list to gradually go through all and replace with unabbreviated names. One thing I do wonder about is whether I should be adding in "county" (or similar terms) to parts of addresses. For example Wexford, Wexford, Ireland, or Wexford, County Wexford, Ireland? I've also generally avoided putting in street or house addresses to the general address fields, preferring to keep them within the notes field, so for example my birthplace would be Shipston-on-Stour, Warwickshire, England, rather than Eileen Badger Memorial Hospital, etc... I feel this makes the index more easily searchable, even if it does lose a bit of detail, and gets around the issue of not knowing whether to put for example the home address or the hospital address for a birth or death (or how to put both in a single field). Corinne Curtis #5579 On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 9:15 AM, W. Paul Featherstone <wpaulf@gmail.com> wrote: > John, > > It's a good tip for new starters not to use abbreviations, since Geo Coding > will not work, I am slowly working through my 47,000+ places. You should > find if you operate a system of doing this your Database size should also be > reduced since places are amalgamated in most data structures. > > I am still using Chapman codes for quickness in finding BMD registrations, > mainly because my database contains some 77,000+ names. However I change to > full places when I find a BMD full record. > > For interest I have 4,262 Names contain John's and not one Coldwell:-) > > > Paul (2627) > > > > On 11/3/17 09:01 AM, John Keith Coldwell wrote: >> >> Andy >> The difficulty with the Wortley place name is that there is the >> District by Penistone and the suburb of Leeds. Both West Riding unless >> recent references. Maybe if it refers to the district then it could be >> named Wortley District (which is definitive and can be looked up on a >> website) and if the village: Wortley, Penistone, YWR or if the suburb >> Wortley, Leeds YWR. There may be other Wortley places... >> As it happens I was at school in Penistone and used to do winter time >> cross country runs in the snow around Wortley. >> Is the answer to adopt a standard glossary of places eg Ancestry.com >> although I would not offer to go back and change the thousends of >> names in my database. >> John >> >> On 11 March 2017 at 07:21, Andy Micklethwaite <andy.mick@googlemail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for explaining it, Paul. It's on my to-do list - which is getting >>> longer, not shorter! >>> >>> Any thoughts on which would be better: >>> - Wortley Yorkshire >>> - Wortley WRY >>> >>> Andy >>> >>> At 01:07 11/03/2017, you wrote: >>>> >>>> I think Marie, is trying to get across to those with web sites, or any >>>> form of database, that it is important to make sure that you put place names >>>> in full, otherwise you are putting yourself in grave jeopardy of misleading >>>> those looking at the information you are recording. >>>> >>>> >>>> Paul >>> >>> _____________________________________________ >>> >>> RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? >>> http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >>> the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? > http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Nikki Brown #6552 Pullum ONS https://pullumons.wordpress.com
Hi Nikki, It all depends on your meaning of Middlesex. I.e are you talking about the "Historic County of Middlesex" or the "Administrative County of Middlesex". The "Historic Counties" are all still in existent and their borders have not changed. (I know some places have moved to different Counties, but only very rarely and then possibly only the once) "Administrative Counties" on the other hand change all the time. So eg. Liverpool has always been in the "Historic County of Lancashire" and still is. In 1974 was put into the "Administrative County of Mersyside". See http://www.gazetteer.org.uk/index.php for more detail and better explaination. And especially read the Notes for Historians. Personally I try to put keep every place in the UK, in the "Historic County". Tim Treeby GOONS : 7112 On 11/03/2017 10:17, NIKKI BROWN wrote: > Hi > An nice start to an interesting discussion. My mind went completely down the wrong route! > I feel I am among many who have a long list to get "up to date" by making them in full rather than shortened or abbreviated. > One area I am having problems with is that most of my ONS in the UK come from a small area, however Middlesex has shrunk and London has grown but a family is in the same place, just the borders moved around them (also happened to me as a child but Essex to London). I am never sure of the right way to record this. Also sometimes the border appears to move back and forth due to mis recording and transcription being updated incorrectly. > It means when I compare censuses the counties of residence is not right. > > Nikki Brown > #6552 > Pullum ONS > https://pullumons.wordpress.com > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Marie, Just a contrary thought... - IF - I leave the locations somewhat ambiguous, perhaps visitors will get in touch, rather than rob the data and run! ...And just maybe I'll learn something from their research as well... Ken On 11 March 2017 at 10:17, NIKKI BROWN <nikki.wabit@tesco.net> wrote: > Hi > An nice start to an interesting discussion. My mind went completely down the wrong route! > I feel I am among many who have a long list to get "up to date" by making them in full rather than shortened or abbreviated. > One area I am having problems with is that most of my ONS in the UK come from a small area, however Middlesex has shrunk and London has grown but a family is in the same place, just the borders moved around them (also happened to me as a child but Essex to London). I am never sure of the right way to record this. Also sometimes the border appears to move back and forth due to mis recording and transcription being updated incorrectly. > It means when I compare censuses the counties of residence is not right. > > Nikki Brown > #6552 > Pullum ONS > https://pullumons.wordpress.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Corinne Curtis" <corinneinorkney@gmail.com> > To: goons@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, 11 March, 2017 9:48:37 AM > Subject: Re: [G] Place Names > > I have got hopelessly inconsistent with my place names, and it is on > my list to gradually go through all and replace with unabbreviated > names. One thing I do wonder about is whether I should be adding in > "county" (or similar terms) to parts of addresses. For example > Wexford, Wexford, Ireland, or Wexford, County Wexford, Ireland? > I've also generally avoided putting in street or house addresses to > the general address fields, preferring to keep them within the notes > field, so for example my birthplace would be Shipston-on-Stour, > Warwickshire, England, rather than Eileen Badger Memorial Hospital, > etc... I feel this makes the index more easily searchable, even if it > does lose a bit of detail, and gets around the issue of not knowing > whether to put for example the home address or the hospital address > for a birth or death (or how to put both in a single field). > > Corinne Curtis #5579 > > On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 9:15 AM, W. Paul Featherstone <wpaulf@gmail.com> wrote: >> John, >> >> It's a good tip for new starters not to use abbreviations, since Geo Coding >> will not work, I am slowly working through my 47,000+ places. You should >> find if you operate a system of doing this your Database size should also be >> reduced since places are amalgamated in most data structures. >> >> I am still using Chapman codes for quickness in finding BMD registrations, >> mainly because my database contains some 77,000+ names. However I change to >> full places when I find a BMD full record. >> >> For interest I have 4,262 Names contain John's and not one Coldwell:-) >> >> >> Paul (2627) >> >> >> >> On 11/3/17 09:01 AM, John Keith Coldwell wrote: >>> >>> Andy >>> The difficulty with the Wortley place name is that there is the >>> District by Penistone and the suburb of Leeds. Both West Riding unless >>> recent references. Maybe if it refers to the district then it could be >>> named Wortley District (which is definitive and can be looked up on a >>> website) and if the village: Wortley, Penistone, YWR or if the suburb >>> Wortley, Leeds YWR. There may be other Wortley places... >>> As it happens I was at school in Penistone and used to do winter time >>> cross country runs in the snow around Wortley. >>> Is the answer to adopt a standard glossary of places eg Ancestry.com >>> although I would not offer to go back and change the thousends of >>> names in my database. >>> John >>> >>> On 11 March 2017 at 07:21, Andy Micklethwaite <andy.mick@googlemail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks for explaining it, Paul. It's on my to-do list - which is getting >>>> longer, not shorter! >>>> >>>> Any thoughts on which would be better: >>>> - Wortley Yorkshire >>>> - Wortley WRY >>>> >>>> Andy >>>> >>>> At 01:07 11/03/2017, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I think Marie, is trying to get across to those with web sites, or any >>>>> form of database, that it is important to make sure that you put place names >>>>> in full, otherwise you are putting yourself in grave jeopardy of misleading >>>>> those looking at the information you are recording. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Paul >>>> >>>> _____________________________________________ >>>> >>>> RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? >>>> http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >>>> the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? >> http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? > http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > Nikki Brown > #6552 > Pullum ONS > https://pullumons.wordpress.com > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? > http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message