Please excuse a rather brief response. The research can either carry on or become an independent study. That is the beauty of the Guild. The material can be an appendix to the main study & overtime perhaps become a study in its own right, undertaken by the same registrant or by someone else entirely. The new facility to add a surname interest could be used here. & if someone new contacts the interested party then a collaboration approach could be adopted or a decision made as to whether to register the other name or not. There is one Orlando in the 1881 Census index. Overtime I researched that line, from Jersey Channel Islands & discovered that the name was in fact Deslandes. I have no interest in researching that name, but if someone registers the name in the future then I will pass the papers along to them. Regards Julie Goucher Guild member 3925 Sent from my iPhone > On 23 Nov 2014, at 15:06, Christopher Gray via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Many thanks Fiona > > "... the Irish surname MONGEY/MUNGAY is an anglicization of the Gaelic Irish > surname O Mongaigh;" > > This poses an interesting question. A one-name study is looking at a name - > but what happens if it becomes anglicised or francocised or Americanised or > whatever? Does the study stop there or does it proceed with the new name? > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: goons-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:goons-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Fíona Tipple via > Sent: 23 November 2014 10:07 > To: Christopher Gray; goons@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [G] Puzzled? > > Tony, Chris > > I think it’s important to remember that the Irish surname MONGEY/MUNGAY is > an anglicization of the Gaelic Irish surname O Mongaigh; according to > MacLysaght it’s a Co. Meath name. There similar-sounding, but unrelated > names such as Mangan and Mongan. > > And I’m sorry Marie, I don’t think that there is *any* Breton connection! > What I do think is that assimilation can happen in two directions, > especially with emigrant families - MONGEYS can become MINGEYS, and vice > versa. As Chris says MINGEY-fied MONGEYS are only of interest to you from > the point that they became MINGEY, and then only if you decide it’s > appropriate. I took the decision only to follow DAGNAN where I was certain > that the progenitor of the specific line had started life as DUIGNAN/DEGNAN/ > … . I had included DAGNAN in my variants list, but now that I have decided > to restrict the families that I’m going to follow, I will probably remove > it. > > But it really is an interesting problem - when is the name NOT the name! > > Fiona > > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Maybe I'm just unlucky - but I find I have to look at at least 15 variations of spellings everytime I hit a new record set. I don't even want to think about the number of parishes where each child was baptized with a different spelling and then went on to marry and sign their name as another variation. Now that I've gotten into Germany - the trend continues except I also have to add variations with 'b' because in German B and P are interchangeable. What I find very frustrating is when 'researchers' have regularized a spelling - not using the one on the record but instead recording what they want it to be. I try to record all the variations I find for a given individual as alternate names - but this means searching on a lot of possibilities. I have to wonder if this tendency to reject variations is what has led in at least the Pepler case to the only semi-correct published origin of the name used by the surname origin sites. Marie (GOONS 5318) Bringing the world together one surname at a time. 'A Pepler Name' http://pepler.tribalpages.com 'Hedgerow - the Ancestors' http://cranberry.tribalpages.com Pepler DNA Study http://www.familytreedna.com/public/pepler-ow/ 'Scroops, Scropes and Scroopes' http://dentonlk.tribalpages.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Julie Goucher via <goons@rootsweb.com> To: Christopher Gray <Christopher.Gray@gray-ons.org>; "goons@rootsweb.com" <goons@rootsweb.com> Cc: Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [G] Puzzled? Please excuse a rather brief response. The research can either carry on or become an independent study. That is the beauty of the Guild. The material can be an appendix to the main study & overtime perhaps become a study in its own right, undertaken by the same registrant or by someone else entirely. The new facility to add a surname interest could be used here. & if someone new contacts the interested party then a collaboration approach could be adopted or a decision made as to whether to register the other name or not. There is one Orlando in the 1881 Census index. Overtime I researched that line, from Jersey Channel Islands & discovered that the name was in fact Deslandes. I have no interest in researching that name, but if someone registers the name in the future then I will pass the papers along to them. Regards Julie Goucher Guild member 3925 Sent from my iPhone > On 23 Nov 2014, at 15:06, Christopher Gray via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Many thanks Fiona > > "... the Irish surname MONGEY/MUNGAY is an anglicization of the Gaelic Irish > surname O Mongaigh;" > > This poses an interesting question. A one-name study is looking at a name - > but what happens if it becomes anglicised or francocised or Americanised or > whatever? Does the study stop there or does it proceed with the new name? > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: goons-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:goons-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Fíona Tipple via > Sent: 23 November 2014 10:07 > To: Christopher Gray; goons@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [G] Puzzled? > > Tony, Chris > > I think it’s important to remember that the Irish surname MONGEY/MUNGAY is > an anglicization of the Gaelic Irish surname O Mongaigh; according to > MacLysaght it’s a Co. Meath name. There similar-sounding, but unrelated > names such as Mangan and Mongan. > > And I’m sorry Marie, I don’t think that there is *any* Breton connection! > What I do think is that assimilation can happen in two directions, > especially with emigrant families - MONGEYS can become MINGEYS, and vice > versa. As Chris says MINGEY-fied MONGEYS are only of interest to you from > the point that they became MINGEY, and then only if you decide it’s > appropriate. I took the decision only to follow DAGNAN where I was certain > that the progenitor of the specific line had started life as DUIGNAN/DEGNAN/ > … . I had included DAGNAN in my variants list, but now that I have decided > to restrict the families that I’m going to follow, I will probably remove > it. > > But it really is an interesting problem - when is the name NOT the name! > > Fiona > > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message