Tony, Chris I think it’s important to remember that the Irish surname MONGEY/MUNGAY is an anglicization of the Gaelic Irish surname O Mongaigh; according to MacLysaght it’s a Co. Meath name. There similar-sounding, but unrelated names such as Mangan and Mongan. And I’m sorry Marie, I don’t think that there is *any* Breton connection! What I do think is that assimilation can happen in two directions, especially with emigrant families - MONGEYS can become MINGEYS, and vice versa. As Chris says MINGEY-fied MONGEYS are only of interest to you from the point that they became MINGEY, and then only if you decide it’s appropriate. I took the decision only to follow DAGNAN where I was certain that the progenitor of the specific line had started life as DUIGNAN/DEGNAN/ … . I had included DAGNAN in my variants list, but now that I have decided to restrict the families that I’m going to follow, I will probably remove it. But it really is an interesting problem - when is the name NOT the name! Fiona On 23 Nov 2014, at 07:42, Christopher Gray via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > An interesting puzzle indeed. I see that you view your study as being of > the name MINGAY and its variants. It is up to you whether or not you > include MONGEY. I understand you to say that MONGEY is an off-shoot from > one or more families in Ireland who have chosen (or the record keepers have > chosen) to use that spelling. If that spelling persists, then, in my > opinion it is a different name and outside of the scope of your study. Only > if one or more descendants reverted to the name MINGEY, would you need to > consider them and, only then to follow those specific branches back to your > names - certainly not to cover the name world-wide. I see this as being > similar to a family called BROWN who, a few hundred years ago, added an 'e' > to become BROWNE - the names are different though may come from the same > source. [I don't know how the SMITH study is handling SMYTHE.] > > Chris

Many thanks Fiona "... the Irish surname MONGEY/MUNGAY is an anglicization of the Gaelic Irish surname O Mongaigh;" This poses an interesting question. A one-name study is looking at a name - but what happens if it becomes anglicised or francocised or Americanised or whatever? Does the study stop there or does it proceed with the new name? Chris -----Original Message----- From: goons-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:goons-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fíona Tipple via Sent: 23 November 2014 10:07 To: Christopher Gray; goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] Puzzled? Tony, Chris I think it’s important to remember that the Irish surname MONGEY/MUNGAY is an anglicization of the Gaelic Irish surname O Mongaigh; according to MacLysaght it’s a Co. Meath name. There similar-sounding, but unrelated names such as Mangan and Mongan. And I’m sorry Marie, I don’t think that there is *any* Breton connection! What I do think is that assimilation can happen in two directions, especially with emigrant families - MONGEYS can become MINGEYS, and vice versa. As Chris says MINGEY-fied MONGEYS are only of interest to you from the point that they became MINGEY, and then only if you decide it’s appropriate. I took the decision only to follow DAGNAN where I was certain that the progenitor of the specific line had started life as DUIGNAN/DEGNAN/ … . I had included DAGNAN in my variants list, but now that I have decided to restrict the families that I’m going to follow, I will probably remove it. But it really is an interesting problem - when is the name NOT the name! Fiona