I think it is now time that the GMI was fully searchable on all names surely in this day and age it is possible to stop someone stealing all your work Jim Isard 1803 -----Original Message----- From: goons-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:goons-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter Alefounder via Sent: 17 December 2014 12:20 To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: [G] profile page references to Index records Corinne Curtis <corinneinorkney@gmail.com> said: > I'd also like to be able to submit material to indexes on other > surnames that may not be registered, and I'm not sure if this is > allowed? In the case of the Guild Marriage Index, it is allowed. If the surnames are not registered, the entries appear both ways round and so are fully searchable. > I also wonder whether the search facility that fails to show up > references submitted in your study name is now outmoded? Not being able to search the first surname (the registered one) is to stop someone else "stealing" all your work, which was a major worry for some when the GMI was first proposed. I don't think that principle is likely to change: indeed, it's been adopted for the Worldwide index. Peter Alefounder. _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think the only reliable method to prevent stealing is not to put your work on the internet to start with. Having said that - I do think it would be nice is a contributor to any of the indexes could see a summary of their contribution. I've contributed several thousand records to different indexes and I hate to admit it but I can't remember some of the early contributions. Being able to look at my own contributions would help avoid duplications. It would be nice if there were a mechanism that allowed me to do it automatically without needing an indexes manager to intervene. Marie (GOONS 5318) Bringing the world together one surname at a time. 'A Pepler Name' http://pepler.tribalpages.com 'Hedgerow - the Ancestors' http://cranberry.tribalpages.com Pepler DNA Study http://www.familytreedna.com/public/pepler-ow/ 'Scroops, Scropes and Scroopes' http://dentonlk.tribalpages.com ________________________________ From: Jimmy Isard via <goons@rootsweb.com> To: 'Peter Alefounder' <p_alefounder@yahoo.co.uk>; goons@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [G] profile page references to Index records I think it is now time that the GMI was fully searchable on all names surely in this day and age it is possible to stop someone stealing all your work Jim Isard 1803 -----Original Message----- From: goons-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:goons-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter Alefounder via Sent: 17 December 2014 12:20 To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: [G] profile page references to Index records Corinne Curtis <corinneinorkney@gmail.com> said: > I'd also like to be able to submit material to indexes on other > surnames that may not be registered, and I'm not sure if this is > allowed? In the case of the Guild Marriage Index, it is allowed. If the surnames are not registered, the entries appear both ways round and so are fully searchable. > I also wonder whether the search facility that fails to show up > references submitted in your study name is now outmoded? Not being able to search the first surname (the registered one) is to stop someone else "stealing" all your work, which was a major worry for some when the GMI was first proposed. I don't think that principle is likely to change: indeed, it's been adopted for the Worldwide index. Peter Alefounder. _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think it's important to respect the wishes of individual members. If there really are people who are concerned that people might "steal" their data from the GMI then their preferences for restricted searches should be retained. However, it's equally important that members who wish to make their data fully accessible should be allowed to do so. I would have thought that it should be possible to accommodate individual preferences within the database format so that the wishes of all members are met. In the long run, perhaps when the GMI is moved over to the CMS, I would imagine it should be possible to have a system whereby we can upload and edit our own data, and also download marriages in a spreadsheet for our personal use. There probably ought to be terms and conditions for the submission of marriages to the GMI so that members can indicate their preferences at the outset. Debbie Kennett Member no. 4554 Cruwys/Cruse/Cruise one-name study >I think it is now time that the GMI was fully searchable on all names surely in this day and age it is possible to stop someone stealing all your work Jim Isard 1803

Debbie and others, the proposals you make are part of the original plan I put forward for the GMI some time ago. Once converted to a true database, developments such as this are very straightforward, and the last few editions of the GMI have existed in both the classic format and database format. You may have noticed that the GMI now offers an "old search", which uses the classic format, and a "new search", which uses the database. If I were to get the go-ahead to proceed with the database format, I would offer (on the new search): a) A search option for a member to see all the entries for his or her own registered name. This would be available only to the "owner" of this data, i.e. the registrant of the surname, and so would not allow any harvesting of the data by anyone else. b) A database option for a member with entries in the GMI to allow his or her entries to be freely searchable by any member. I prefer to consider entries to have an "owner" rather than a "contributor", the owner being the registrant of the surname. Hence entries might change hands if a surname registration is transferred from one member to another. This is a somewhat different concept from the existing one of "contributor", but I believe that at present the contributor for each entry is assumed to be the study owner even if they are not personally submitting the data. Thoughts, please? Anne Shankland Web Indexes Administrator ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie Kennett via" <goons@rootsweb.com> To: <goons@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [G] profile page references to Index records >I think it's important to respect the wishes of individual members. If >there > really are people who are concerned that people might "steal" their data > from the GMI then their preferences for restricted searches should be > retained. However, it's equally important that members who wish to make > their data fully accessible should be allowed to do so. > > I would have thought that it should be possible to accommodate individual > preferences within the database format so that the wishes of all members > are > met. In the long run, perhaps when the GMI is moved over to the CMS, I > would > imagine it should be possible to have a system whereby we can upload and > edit our own data, and also download marriages in a spreadsheet for our > personal use. > > There probably ought to be terms and conditions for the submission of > marriages to the GMI so that members can indicate their preferences at the > outset. > > Debbie Kennett > Member no. 4554 > Cruwys/Cruse/Cruise one-name study > >>I think it is now time that the GMI was fully searchable on all names > surely in this day and age it is possible to stop someone stealing all > your > work > > Jim Isard > 1803 > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Definitely will take a look at this over the holidays as I think it is a very good idea to have this type of data available and it should be (that is a question for the tech folks) a process of making that choice (from here on out) when we provide data to the uploaded. As to those who contributed data in the past, perhaps we can ask the question and get a response from those members. One question I have on the language is what is a member who does not have a registered study and is contributing data called? We might want to use the term contributor (all around) rather than owner because I am guessing that we have all gathered data that is at archives, libraries, online, etc. to add to our databases and we don't really "own" it anymore than we "own" our surnames - we have registered them. Am I missing something? (And I am not interested in having a discussion about members with and without registered studies - every member of the Guild is somewhere in their journey here and I am happy to learn from and share with all my fellow GOONs). Now I need to get busy and provide some of that data so Anne, Cliff, Marie and the others have some more data to work with. Thanks for all your efforts (past and present), Tessa Tessa Keough Guild of One-Name Studies, Member No. 5089 Keough (Keogh, Kough & Kehoe) Registered ONS On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Anne Shankland via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Debbie and others, the proposals you make are part of the original plan I > put forward for the GMI some time ago. Once converted to a true database, > developments such as this are very straightforward, and the last few > editions of the GMI have existed in both the classic format and database > format. You may have noticed that the GMI now offers an "old search", which > uses the classic format, and a "new search", which uses the database. > > If I were to get the go-ahead to proceed with the database format, I would > offer (on the new search): > a) A search option for a member to see all the entries for his or her > own registered name. This would be available only to the "owner" of this > data, i.e. the registrant of the surname, and so would not allow any > harvesting of the data by anyone else. > b) A database option for a member with entries in the GMI to allow his > or her entries to be freely searchable by any member. > > I prefer to consider entries to have an "owner" rather than a "contributor", > the owner being the registrant of the surname. Hence entries might change > hands if a surname registration is transferred from one member to another. > This is a somewhat different concept from the existing one of "contributor", > but I believe that at present the contributor for each entry is assumed to > be the study owner even if they are not personally submitting the data. > > Thoughts, please? > > Anne Shankland > Web Indexes Administrator > SNIP