Hi Tony, For whatever reason, it appears that the 1870 federal census for New York State, New York County, was enumerated twice -- first in August 1870, then again in January 1871 (note that the printed "0" has been overwritten with a "1" on this and other pages of the second enumeration). The second enumeration included only name, age, gender, occupation, and place of birth information, omitting additional information that was included in the first enumeration. The second enumeration appears to have been conducted for all wards in New York County (you can see this if you click on the "Township" drop-down box at the upper left of the page on Ancestry -- i.e., the hypertext that says "New York Ward 9 District 15." Like you, I've never seen this before -- I wonder if there was an error in defining district boundaries in the first enumeration? -Mark Bunch (GOONS #6223) ---------------------------------------- > To: GOONS@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:08:38 +1300 > Subject: Re: [G] -1870 USA Cenus?? > From: goons@rootsweb.com > > Sorry folks, I have made an error so wish to try an correct that error. I > have quoted the wrong information regarding the 'title' of one (inadvertly I > have copied the 1860 Census title). > > The title of of the first is 3rd Election District of 9 Ward, dated 4 Jan > 1870, Post Office New ork City. > > > Regards Tony > Anthony John MINGAY, now in NZ once of Kent & Suffolk, England but still > researching Worldwide the surname MINGAY & its variants. > http://www.mingayhistory.co.uk. > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Here's a bit of detail.... http://www.ancestryinsider.org/2011/09/darned-second-enumerations.html Also, although not true in this case ~ some of the earlier US censuses took a fair while to complete... working from memory (*as I'm on a research trip in Scotland and my reference books are back in the US*), there's at least one (1800? 1820?) that took something like 15 or 18 months to finish the enumeration routes (although I think the 'official time for completion was less) ~ which means some people are listed twice because they moved and really lived in both places at the time the census was actually done (despite the census taker supposedly getting a snapshot from the official census date), while others were missed because they moved the other way around :-( OK, memory still works ;-) http://www.historicalpreservationgroup.org/hgs_census_day.htm http://www.familytreemagazine.com/article/thatll-be-the-day Hope this helps! BJ On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:34 AM, Mark Bunch via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Tony, > > > For whatever reason, it appears that the 1870 federal census for New York > State, New York County, was enumerated twice -- first in August 1870, then > again in January 1871 (note that the printed "0" has been overwritten with > a "1" on this and other pages of the second enumeration). The second > enumeration included only name, age, gender, occupation, and place of birth > information, omitting additional information that was included in the first > enumeration. The second enumeration appears to have been conducted for all > wards in New York County (you can see this if you click on the "Township" > drop-down box at the upper left of the page on Ancestry -- i.e., the > hypertext that says "New York Ward 9 District 15." > > > Like you, I've never seen this before -- I wonder if there was an error in > defining district boundaries in the first enumeration? > > > -Mark Bunch (GOONS #6223) > > ---------------------------------------- > > To: GOONS@rootsweb.com > > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:08:38 +1300 > > Subject: Re: [G] -1870 USA Cenus?? > > From: goons@rootsweb.com > > > > Sorry folks, I have made an error so wish to try an correct that error. I > > have quoted the wrong information regarding the 'title' of one > (inadvertly I > > have copied the 1860 Census title). > > > > The title of of the first is 3rd Election District of 9 Ward, dated 4 Jan > > 1870, Post Office New ork City. > > > > > > Regards Tony > > Anthony John MINGAY, now in NZ once of Kent & Suffolk, England but still > > researching Worldwide the surname MINGAY & its variants. > > http://www.mingayhistory.co.uk. > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- B.J. Jamieson bj.jamieson@gmail.com (610) 505-1484 or (207) 358-0849 Flickr photos <http://www.flickr.com/photos/killearnan/> "A room without books is like a body without a soul." *Cicero (attrib.)*
Hi BJ, Oh yes that does help. In other words the planners of the 'first' 1870 Census got the wrong addresses etc, I will ignore that first effort. Thanks again. regards Tony -----Original Message----- From: BJ Jamieson via Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 9:20 PM To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] -1870 USA Cenus?? Here's a bit of detail.... http://www.ancestryinsider.org/2011/09/darned-second-enumerations.html Also, although not true in this case ~ some of the earlier US censuses took a fair while to complete... working from memory (*as I'm on a research trip in Scotland and my reference books are back in the US*), there's at least one (1800? 1820?) that took something like 15 or 18 months to finish the enumeration routes (although I think the 'official time for completion was less) ~ which means some people are listed twice because they moved and really lived in both places at the time the census was actually done (despite the census taker supposedly getting a snapshot from the official census date), while others were missed because they moved the other way around :-( OK, memory still works ;-) http://www.historicalpreservationgroup.org/hgs_census_day.htm http://www.familytreemagazine.com/article/thatll-be-the-day Hope this helps! BJ On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:34 AM, Mark Bunch via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Tony, > > > For whatever reason, it appears that the 1870 federal census for New York > State, New York County, was enumerated twice -- first in August 1870, then > again in January 1871 (note that the printed "0" has been overwritten with > a "1" on this and other pages of the second enumeration). The second > enumeration included only name, age, gender, occupation, and place of > birth > information, omitting additional information that was included in the > first > enumeration. The second enumeration appears to have been conducted for > all > wards in New York County (you can see this if you click on the "Township" > drop-down box at the upper left of the page on Ancestry -- i.e., the > hypertext that says "New York Ward 9 District 15." > > > Like you, I've never seen this before -- I wonder if there was an error in > defining district boundaries in the first enumeration? > > > -Mark Bunch (GOONS #6223) > > ---------------------------------------- > > To: GOONS@rootsweb.com > > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:08:38 +1300 > > Subject: Re: [G] -1870 USA Cenus?? > > From: goons@rootsweb.com > > > > Sorry folks, I have made an error so wish to try an correct that error. > > I > > have quoted the wrong information regarding the 'title' of one > (inadvertly I > > have copied the 1860 Census title). > > > > The title of of the first is 3rd Election District of 9 Ward, dated 4 > > Jan > > 1870, Post Office New ork City. > > > > > > Regards Tony > > Anthony John MINGAY, now in NZ once of Kent & Suffolk, England but still > > researching Worldwide the surname MINGAY & its variants. > > http://www.mingayhistory.co.uk. > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- B.J. Jamieson bj.jamieson@gmail.com (610) 505-1484 or (207) 358-0849 Flickr photos <http://www.flickr.com/photos/killearnan/> "A room without books is like a body without a soul." *Cicero (attrib.)* _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message