Folks, in England and Wales, is there any way a one single death might have been registered twice in two different districts? Reason I ask is that we've just discovered two people with the same relatively unusual name who both died in the same quarter in 1984, one in Kent and one in Lancashire. Amazingly (we think!) both death records show exactly the same date of birth! Could it be one person? I've never had to register a death in England. So I don't know the procedure, but it would seem like there has to be some kind of control over the registration of deaths, eg, an original certificate from a qualified physician. Ergo, it seems like we've stumbled into a massive co-incidence. Just want to eliminate the unlikely . . . TIA for any help Paul -- Paul Howes www.howesfamilies.com Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide

You have to register the death where the person died and not where they lived. Maybe this person died away from home and the person registering the death registered it where they lived, then realised that this was incorrect. As one of the questions is 'where did they die?' you'd think the 'wrong' registrar would have halted the process at this point though. Alternatively (depending on where you are accessing the information from) perhaps there has been an indexing error - whether on Ancestry/Freebmd etc - or, if you have seen the images of the registers, the error could have been in compiling the central indexes somehow. Almost worth £18.50 to get the death certificates to see if that helps. Janet #1136 -----Original Message----- From: Paul Howes via Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 2:51 AM To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: [G] Two death registrations? Folks, in England and Wales, is there any way a one single death might have been registered twice in two different districts? Reason I ask is that we've just discovered two people with the same relatively unusual name who both died in the same quarter in 1984, one in Kent and one in Lancashire. Amazingly (we think!) both death records show exactly the same date of birth! Could it be one person? I've never had to register a death in England. So I don't know the procedure, but it would seem like there has to be some kind of control over the registration of deaths, eg, an original certificate from a qualified physician. Ergo, it seems like we've stumbled into a massive co-incidence. Just want to eliminate the unlikely . . . TIA for any help Paul -- Paul Howes www.howesfamilies.com Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When the death is confirmed (by two Doctors) a form is issued, I think it is called a MED11. That form is usually in a sealed envelope & is needed to take to the registrar for them to proceed to register the death. Those forms are then collated and sent to the GRO every quarter. I have two copies of these forms in my own family history files. Having registered the death the registrant is provided with a "Green form" in order to proceed to burial or cremation. (After cremation if the ashes are returned there is also a certificate issued). The Green forms are collated & eventually end up at the GRO every quarter. In this situation, with two registered deaths it either means there are 1. To completely different people 2. There was an incorrect registering & one should have been amended. The certificate will show the date the death was registered. Was an attempt made to register the death without the Med11 form? Which might explain why the death was recorded twice rather than have the first entry removed. There will only ever be one Med11 form issued & the Doctor who confirms life extinct will sign it. Regards, Julie Goucher Guild Member 3925 Orlando & Worship ONS Sent from my iPad  > On 16 Jan 2015, at 06:55, Janet Few via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > You have to register the death where the person died and not where they > lived. Maybe this person died away from home and the person registering the > death registered it where they lived, then realised that this was incorrect. > As one of the questions is 'where did they die?' you'd think the 'wrong' > registrar would have halted the process at this point though. Alternatively > (depending on where you are accessing the information from) perhaps there > has been an indexing error - whether on Ancestry/Freebmd etc - or, if you > have seen the images of the registers, the error could have been in > compiling the central indexes somehow. Almost worth £18.50 to get the death > certificates to see if that helps. > > Janet #1136 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Howes via > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 2:51 AM > To: goons@rootsweb.com > Subject: [G] Two death registrations? > > Folks, in England and Wales, is there any way a one single death might > have been registered twice in two different districts? > > Reason I ask is that we've just discovered two people with the same > relatively unusual name who both died in the same quarter in 1984, one > in Kent and one in Lancashire. Amazingly (we think!) both death > records show exactly the same date of birth! > > Could it be one person? I've never had to register a death in > England. So I don't know the procedure, but it would seem like there > has to be some kind of control over the registration of deaths, eg, an > original certificate from a qualified physician. Ergo, it seems like > we've stumbled into a massive co-incidence. > > Just want to eliminate the unlikely . . . > TIA for any help > Paul > > > > -- > Paul Howes > www.howesfamilies.com > Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If I recall correctly there was something (fairly recently?) on the forum about someone having a baby in Registration District A then returning with new baby back to their home in RD B and registering the birth there and that RD B should send the details to RD A and that is where the birth should show? It shouldn't but I guess due to human error it could then show in both RDs? Alan Moorhouse Stroud farmery@one-name.org ----Original message---- >From : goons@rootsweb.com Date : 16/01/2015 - 06:55 (GMTST) To : paul@howesfamilies.com, goons@rootsweb.com Subject : Re: [G] Two death registrations? You have to register the death where the person died and not where they lived. Maybe this person died away from home and the person registering the death registered it where they lived, then realised that this was incorrect. As one of the questions is 'where did they die?' you'd think the 'wrong' registrar would have halted the process at this point though. Alternatively (depending on where you are accessing the information from) perhaps there has been an indexing error - whether on Ancestry/Freebmd etc - or, if you have seen the images of the registers, the error could have been in compiling the central indexes somehow. Almost worth £18.50 to get the death certificates to see if that helps. Janet #1136 -----Original Message----- From: Paul Howes via Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 2:51 AM To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: [G] Two death registrations? Folks, in England and Wales, is there any way a one single death might have been registered twice in two different districts? Reason I ask is that we've just discovered two people with the same relatively unusual name who both died in the same quarter in 1984, one in Kent and one in Lancashire. Amazingly (we think!) both death records show exactly the same date of birth! Could it be one person? I've never had to register a death in England. So I don't know the procedure, but it would seem like there has to be some kind of control over the registration of deaths, eg, an original certificate from a qualified physician. Ergo, it seems like we've stumbled into a massive co-incidence. Just want to eliminate the unlikely . . . TIA for any help Paul -- Paul Howes www.howesfamilies.com Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Alan, > If I recall correctly there was something (fairly recently?) on the forum about someone having a baby in Registration District A then returning with new baby back to their home in RD B and registering the birth there and that RD B should send the details to RD A and that is where the birth should show? It shouldn't but I guess due to human error it could then show in both RDs? My case is in Scotland, but my 1970s birth appears in the computerised indexes at the General Register Office for Scotland under both Edinburgh (where I was born) and Hawick (where my parents lived). I think the birth was formally recognised/recorded under Edinburgh, but was registered at Hawick. My Scottish NHS number, which uses a combination of numeric registration district number, year of birth, and certificate number, is derived from Hawick registration district, not an Edinburgh one. I should probably ask my Dad again what was going on registration-wise sometime ... Viv GOONS member 2847 (Cavers)

Paul Have you looked to see if two matching births were registered? Adrian On 16 Jan 2015 03:03, "Paul Howes via" <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Folks, in England and Wales, is there any way a one single death might > have been registered twice in two different districts? > > Reason I ask is that we've just discovered two people with the same > relatively unusual name who both died in the same quarter in 1984, one > in Kent and one in Lancashire. Amazingly (we think!) both death > records show exactly the same date of birth! > > Could it be one person? I've never had to register a death in > England. So I don't know the procedure, but it would seem like there > has to be some kind of control over the registration of deaths, eg, an > original certificate from a qualified physician. Ergo, it seems like > we've stumbled into a massive co-incidence. > > Just want to eliminate the unlikely . . . > TIA for any help > Paul > > > > -- > Paul Howes > www.howesfamilies.com > Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Without contradicting anything said here about double death registrations, I would just add that it is sometimes worth looking beyond On Friday, 16 January 2015, Paul Howes via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Folks, in England and Wales, is there any way a one single death might > have been registered twice in two different districts? > > Reason I ask is that we've just discovered two people with the same > relatively unusual name who both died in the same quarter in 1984, one > in Kent and one in Lancashire. Amazingly (we think!) both death > records show exactly the same date of birth! > > Could it be one person? I've never had to register a death in > England. So I don't know the procedure, but it would seem like there > has to be some kind of control over the registration of deaths, eg, an > original certificate from a qualified physician. Ergo, it seems like > we've stumbled into a massive co-incidence. > > Just want to eliminate the unlikely . . . > TIA for any help > Paul > > > > -- > Paul Howes > www.howesfamilies.com > Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com <javascript:;> with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Geoff Chew geoffchew1@gmail.com

(Sorry, sent too soon...) ... it is sometimes worth looking beyond the UK records. One of my people died in Oundle of a heart attack in the 19th century; there is an English death registration, but a South African death notice also exists (since the purpose of a death notice is different: to give notice that an estate is to be wound up). As he had assets in South Africa, the death notice was issued, with all the extra information about probable heirs that such a document would normally have. Geoff 5389 On Friday, 16 January 2015, Geoff Chew <geoffchew1@gmail.com> wrote: > Without contradicting anything said here about double death registrations, > I would just add that it is sometimes worth looking beyond > > On Friday, 16 January 2015, Paul Howes via <goons@rootsweb.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','goons@rootsweb.com');>> wrote: > >> Folks, in England and Wales, is there any way a one single death might >> have been registered twice in two different districts? >> >> Reason I ask is that we've just discovered two people with the same >> relatively unusual name who both died in the same quarter in 1984, one >> in Kent and one in Lancashire. Amazingly (we think!) both death >> records show exactly the same date of birth! >> >> Could it be one person? I've never had to register a death in >> England. So I don't know the procedure, but it would seem like there >> has to be some kind of control over the registration of deaths, eg, an >> original certificate from a qualified physician. Ergo, it seems like >> we've stumbled into a massive co-incidence. >> >> Just want to eliminate the unlikely . . . >> TIA for any help >> Paul >> >> >> >> -- >> Paul Howes >> www.howesfamilies.com >> Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > -- > Geoff Chew > geoffchew1@gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','geoffchew1@gmail.com');> > -- Geoff Chew geoffchew1@gmail.com