Hi to Sherlock, Fiona, Merryl and others on the theme of when to publish a family tree Colleagues may have read my postings about two John Vayro or Varo and the quandary of having the wrong John and his whole se that of descendants attached to a particular couple in my database. Perhaps my original postings caused a little confusion so I hope the following will clarify the situation. So let me explain the circumstances of how this was discovered. With the assistance of several colleagues I started looking into the ancestors of two new contacts that had passed on details of their Great Grandfather a certain Thomas H Vayro, ( possibly born Belper Derbyshire) who had three sons, Percy, Norman and Dennis. Firstly Thomas Henry aged 20 was found on the 1911 Census as a groom at Willoughby House in Warwickshire. His place of birth was shown as Pickhill in Yorkshire. So there was definitely another Thomas Henry Vayro, but not yet in Belper, Derbyshire. On the 1901 Census Thomas Henry aged 10 was living with his parents a John Vayro aged 38 and Martha A Vayro aged 33 at Harlsey Grove Cottage in East Harlsey, In the Hambleton District of North Yorkshire, 10 miles north of Northallerton. Following the trail of John and Martha A Vayro they are then found on the 1891 Census at a Farm Hind’s Cottage in West Tanfield area near Masham. With them is a Thomas Vayro aged 9 months. (Born late 1990?) John was then 28, Martha 23 and they also had two daughters Christiana 3 and Sarah aged 6. Other important factors were that John is shown as being born at Clifton Lodge in Bedale and Martha at Thirsk. Calculations show that John could have been born in 1863 and Martha in 1868. So I had moved back one more generation, and it was now important to start looking for John’s parents. There were two clues in the names of John and Martha’s daughters, Sarah and Christiana. It is often the case that parents pass on a particular Christian name to the next generation. In this case I thought that the Sarah was probably the name of John’s mother. And it turns out that the only Christiana May Hudson I have on the database is the wife of a William Vayro married in Thornton Watlass in 1936, a grandson of a Thomas Vayro and Sarah Todd. So I needed to prove that Thomas and Sarah could also be John’s parents. There was a marriage between Thomas Vayro and Sarah Todd registered in the Northallerton area in 1959 (CRO reference entry 9D page 882 line 3) they went on to have thirteen children, most at Clifton Lodge on the Clifton Castle Estates in North Yorkshire, and all baptised at Thornton Watlass. They include a William born 1861 and a John Vayro baptised 16th February 1863. John was not born when the 1861 Census was taken so a colleague located William Vayro and a John Vayro entered as “Nephew” and living in Walworth with a William and Dorothy Todd. So I accepted that John and his older brother William were on the 1871 Census, and both William and John are recoded as born in “Watlass”, and aged 10 and 8. The fact that they were living with a family called Todd was another piece of the jigsaw that fitted. William Todd is shown as 46 born Brompton Yorkshire, and Dorothy Todd aged 50 born Osmotherley Yorkshire. My thought was that William may well be the brother of Sarah Todd ie John Vayro’s mother. Whereas I have not yet located Sarah Todd’s birth details or William Todd on the 1851 or 1861 Census I did locate the following. On the 1851 Census for Horsforth, Askwith there were a William Todd aged 51 (born 1800) and a Sarah Todd aged 45 (born 1806) and their daughter Sarah A Todd aged 12 (born circa 1839). They are still at Askwith on the 1861 Census, William Todd age 61 and Sarah Todd age 56 If this is the same Sarah Todd then she would have been 20 years old when she married Thomas Vayro, and the mother of both the William Vayro and John Vayro living in Walworth with their Uncle and Aunt. So whereas I do not have absolute proof, and often this is the case, I am some 90 % certain that Thomas Vayro and Sarah Todd are John Vayro’s parents. Namely in this case, the John Vayro who married Martha Anne Rose, in the THIRSK AREA ( Findmypast CRO record) in 1884 Q4 October to December JOHN VAYRO marriage to MARTHA ANNE ROSE Vol 9d p791 Now from time to time it is worth reviewing the facts and information collected on a particular branch of the ancestors, to determine whether or not there is still evidence supporting a direct line back to a particular man and wife that you know lived in a particular part of the country in the distant past. So when I looked at my database I actually found that I had a completely different John Vayro and his set of descendants attached to Thomas Vayro and Sarah Todd. Namely:- KIRBY MALZEARD (Mif 614 Marriages 1837-1905) entry 403 - 17 December 1884 JOHN VARO Bachelor aged 22 Farm Servant of Kirby Malzeard Father JAMES VARO MARY JANE GATTENBY spinster aged 22 Domestic Servant of Kirby Malzeard Mary shown as illegitimate My task is to store safely all of the data on John Vayro and Mary Ann Gattenby, and remove them from their present location and replace that data with the new John Vayro and Martha Anne Rose. And of course give the other John Vayro and Mary Jane Gattenby their rightful place attached to a James Vayro who I have already located on my database. However if any one has not yet switched off from this diatribe, I would hesitate to ask whether my theories and deductions appear to be correct, and would welcome an opinion, direct or through the group. More importantly if anyone is familiar with the intricacies of Family Tree Maker I would welcome assistance on the actual method of moving whole groups of individuals and re-attaching them. Thanks for your patience Rennison Rennison's List on http://www.upperdalesfhg.org.uk/rennisons.htm The Vayro Ancestry on http://www.vayro.name Vayro Database on http://vayro.tribalpages.com Vayro Guild of One-Name Studies Profile http://one-name.org/name_profile/vayro/ http://www.rennisonprimarydesigntechnology.info Searching for VAYRO, VARO, VARAH and variations worldwide