Entries from 1984 onwards come from a centralised database that is provided to all the online companies by the IPS and there are no images to go with it. The database is not indexed by quarter and if one of the companies is showing a quarter then it is implying it from the month of registration Regards John Hanson Researcher, The Halsted Trust Website - www.halstedresearch.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: goons-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:goons-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Few via Sent: 16 January 2015 06:56 To: Paul Howes; goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] Two death registrations? You have to register the death where the person died and not where they lived. Maybe this person died away from home and the person registering the death registered it where they lived, then realised that this was incorrect. As one of the questions is 'where did they die?' you'd think the 'wrong' registrar would have halted the process at this point though. Alternatively (depending on where you are accessing the information from) perhaps there has been an indexing error - whether on Ancestry/Freebmd etc - or, if you have seen the images of the registers, the error could have been in compiling the central indexes somehow. Almost worth £18.50 to get the death certificates to see if that helps. Janet #1136 -----Original Message----- From: Paul Howes via Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 2:51 AM To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: [G] Two death registrations? Folks, in England and Wales, is there any way a one single death might have been registered twice in two different districts? Reason I ask is that we've just discovered two people with the same relatively unusual name who both died in the same quarter in 1984, one in Kent and one in Lancashire. Amazingly (we think!) both death records show exactly the same date of birth! Could it be one person? I've never had to register a death in England. So I don't know the procedure, but it would seem like there has to be some kind of control over the registration of deaths, eg, an original certificate from a qualified physician. Ergo, it seems like we've stumbled into a massive co-incidence. Just want to eliminate the unlikely . . . TIA for any help Paul -- Paul Howes www.howesfamilies.com Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Paul ,John Four thoughts come to mind:- 1) A military death died place A home/burial place B 2) Someone intranet ( e.g. Going on holiday from Lancashire collapses and dies in Kent 3)Is it a coincidence that John says there was a system change in 1984 .Two transcription possibilities spring to mind a)The person died over a quarter ending b)Two districts of the same name in Kent & Lancashire 4)My probate book p40/41 (by Gordon Bowley LLb) states that in some circumstances if registration has not taken place in five days an executor can register anywhere but should be forward to the registrar where death took place.(e.g. after an inquest is held ) Finally another probate point has come to my attention where a grant of probate appeared on the 1996 -2014 Probate site before the executor received official notice.The question is ,I ordered on line who would get the copy first?! Hope this is of help/interest. Regards Richard -----Original Message----- From: goons-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:goons-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Hanson via Sent: 16 January 2015 08:23 To: 'Janet Few'; goons@rootsweb.com; 'Paul Howes' Subject: Re: [G] Two death registrations? Entries from 1984 onwards come from a centralised database that is provided to all the online companies by the IPS and there are no images to go with it. The database is not indexed by quarter and if one of the companies is showing a quarter then it is implying it from the month of registration Regards John Hanson Researcher, The Halsted Trust Website - www.halstedresearch.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: goons-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:goons-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Few via Sent: 16 January 2015 06:56 To: Paul Howes; goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] Two death registrations? You have to register the death where the person died and not where they lived. Maybe this person died away from home and the person registering the death registered it where they lived, then realised that this was incorrect. As one of the questions is 'where did they die?' you'd think the 'wrong' registrar would have halted the process at this point though. Alternatively (depending on where you are accessing the information from) perhaps there has been an indexing error - whether on Ancestry/Freebmd etc - or, if you have seen the images of the registers, the error could have been in compiling the central indexes somehow. Almost worth £18.50 to get the death certificates to see if that helps. Janet #1136 -----Original Message----- From: Paul Howes via Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 2:51 AM To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: [G] Two death registrations? Folks, in England and Wales, is there any way a one single death might have been registered twice in two different districts? Reason I ask is that we've just discovered two people with the same relatively unusual name who both died in the same quarter in 1984, one in Kent and one in Lancashire. Amazingly (we think!) both death records show exactly the same date of birth! Could it be one person? I've never had to register a death in England. So I don't know the procedure, but it would seem like there has to be some kind of control over the registration of deaths, eg, an original certificate from a qualified physician. Ergo, it seems like we've stumbled into a massive co-incidence. Just want to eliminate the unlikely . . . TIA for any help Paul -- Paul Howes www.howesfamilies.com Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi All I have just checked and FMP does imply a quarter. It appears that the "Register Number" field is used for the DOR (Date of Registration) column. So a DOR of 0184 gives a quarter of 1, 0684 gives 2, etc. Ancestry simply converts 0184 to Jan 1984 and does not give a quarter. So, did these two people have the same DOR? If not, this could indicate two different registrations on different dates. What this might mean is a different matter. June Willing Guild of One-Name Studies member no 2117 Willing/Willings One-Name Study http://one-name.org/name_profile/Willing/ Willing/Willings DNA Project http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Willing/ Dominicus One-Name Study http://one-name.org/name_profile/dominicus-2/ On 16 Jan 2015, at 08:22, John Hanson via wrote: > Entries from 1984 onwards come from a centralised database that is > provided > to all the online companies by the IPS and there are no images to go > with > it. The database is not indexed by quarter and if one of the > companies is > showing a quarter then it is implying it from the month of > registration > > Regards > John Hanson > Researcher, The Halsted Trust > Website - www.halstedresearch.org.uk > > -----Original Message----- > From: goons-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:goons-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of Janet Few via > Sent: 16 January 2015 06:56 > To: Paul Howes; goons@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [G] Two death registrations? > > You have to register the death where the person died and not where > they > lived. Maybe this person died away from home and the person > registering the > death registered it where they lived, then realised that this was > incorrect. > > As one of the questions is 'where did they die?' you'd think the > 'wrong' > registrar would have halted the process at this point though. > Alternatively > (depending on where you are accessing the information from) perhaps > there > has been an indexing error - whether on Ancestry/Freebmd etc - or, > if you > have seen the images of the registers, the error could have been in > compiling the central indexes somehow. Almost worth £18.50 to get > the death > certificates to see if that helps. > > Janet #1136 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Howes via > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 2:51 AM > To: goons@rootsweb.com > Subject: [G] Two death registrations? > > Folks, in England and Wales, is there any way a one single death > might have > been registered twice in two different districts? > > Reason I ask is that we've just discovered two people with the same > relatively unusual name who both died in the same quarter in 1984, > one in > Kent and one in Lancashire. Amazingly (we think!) both death > records show > exactly the same date of birth! > > Could it be one person? I've never had to register a death in > England. So > I don't know the procedure, but it would seem like there has to be > some kind > of control over the registration of deaths, eg, an original > certificate from > a qualified physician. Ergo, it seems like we've stumbled into a > massive > co-incidence. > > Just want to eliminate the unlikely . . . > TIA for any help > Paul > > > > -- > Paul Howes > www.howesfamilies.com > Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message