Ken Toll (member 1331) and his wife Jean (member 6183) wrote an interesting pair of articles in the latest journal. Ken, you collected hundreds, if not thousands of unindexed documents and photographs during your trips in 2013 to the northeastern USA and 2014 to Salt Lake City. Now, how the dickens are you going to organize them into a research project? As with you, I am trying to use TNG for a family tree application and research tool. My digital file cabinet has 4,000 files, all digital images of original Benedict paper documents. They need to be matched up to Benedict ancestors on the family trees. TNG allows for people ID numbers and family ID numbers, and I also am using a modified Henry descendant numbering system for the Benedict line. I also know that you plan to use TNG yourself. How does one design a document database that 'wires' into a family tree application for ONS research purposes? Jim Benedict Guild Representative for Western Canada Guild of One-Name Studies: Guild member #4794 Calgary, Alberta www.BenedictGenerations.com ========================================================
Short answer - the software won't do it for you. You still have to put the numbers or other Identifying marks on each record. As you know I use gedcom producing software. I can attach each PDF, .jpg, .doc etc to individuals in the data base as full documents. Depending on which gedcom producer you use, you can even store the documents in the file. I choose to keep the documents in folders of similar documents - marriage certificates, wills, portraits, letters, etc. ANd I don't use ID numbers as I mistype too often. INstead I base the filing on the full name and date. ANyone ( including me) looking into one of my folders knows exactly who the file refers to without needing to check the gedcom or program or an external list. However once the basics are done the system works beautifully. Each new record I find, I check first if the individual is in the database - if so - I file the record into the right folder and attach it to the individual and make notes along side it about anomalies. If it is about a new person - I create the individual, attach the the record and proceed to the next record. The more data I get and tie to people - the more I start seeing family lines developing into real history. Its fun. I just harvested nearly a thousand new German records and so far am running about 60 % already in my software. Some interesting things are happening. I love it when the data becomes dense enough to force conclusions. But the software won't do it - the computer sorts and matches very fast and well, but I have to approve or reject each instance and I have to enter the details into the database to start with. Marie (GOONS 5318) Bringing the world together one surname at a time. 'A Pepler Name' http://pepler.tribalpages.com 'Hedgerow - the Ancestors' http://cranberry.tribalpages.com Pepler DNA Study http://www.familytreedna.com/public/pepler-ow/ 'Scroops, Scropes and Scroopes' http://dentonlk.tribalpages.com ________________________________ From: Jim Benedict via <goons@rootsweb.com> To: goons@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2015 4:10 PM Subject: [G] Family Research in the USA - JOONs article by Ken Toll Ken Toll (member 1331) and his wife Jean (member 6183) wrote an interesting pair of articles in the latest journal. Ken, you collected hundreds, if not thousands of unindexed documents and photographs during your trips in 2013 to the northeastern USA and 2014 to Salt Lake City. Now, how the dickens are you going to organize them into a research project? As with you, I am trying to use TNG for a family tree application and research tool. My digital file cabinet has 4,000 files, all digital images of original Benedict paper documents. They need to be matched up to Benedict ancestors on the family trees. TNG allows for people ID numbers and family ID numbers, and I also am using a modified Henry descendant numbering system for the Benedict line. I also know that you plan to use TNG yourself. How does one design a document database that 'wires' into a family tree application for ONS research purposes? Jim Benedict Guild Representative for Western Canada Guild of One-Name Studies: Guild member #4794 Calgary, Alberta www.BenedictGenerations.com ======================================================== _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
...Resending as previously posted in Rich Text... Jim, I described my basic filing method in my JOONS article in Oct 2008, http://one-name.org/members/journal/vol9-12.pdf pp 10-12. Re-reading the article, little has changed, except that I now have my own fledgling TNG site at www.Toll-FamilyHistory.org/genealogy. The material I collected was initially filed (on my PC) under the repository where it was found. For each repository, I have been (slowly) sorting the material by "Family Location", enabling me to then bring material together for each family. For the Schenectady (NY) TOLLs I was able to add material into my existing tree, as it is an old and well documented US family. For other families I have yet to transfer much of the information into Trees. I intend to create databases for each State/Province (as I already have for several UK Counties & Aus States) extracting the core genealogical data, its source, and where the image/research is filed. When Jean started the VANT ONS I suggested she also added a 'Tree' reference to each piece of research data. this has worked so well that I now have to go back and re-document mine :-( Very happy to share the format(s) if of interest. I know size isn't everything... ...but I've just checked my ONS and it comprises 23,342 Files in 2,174 Folders occupying almost 30GB! It has clearly grown since the 7GB in 2008. This is almost certainly due to mainly using a Digital Camera (rather than pencil & paper) to record research. As a parallel project, I am tackling the US& Canada States & Provinces one at a time. It's not a perfect solution as some miscreants keep crossing borders! However, I have about 10 Wisconsin TOLL families back to their migrant ancestors and am currently doing the same for Illinios. As time permits, I will be extracting data from my US Trips and adding it to the relevant Family Trees. I actually use Family Historian (FH, v6) as my research tool and currently only use TNG (v9) for on-line backup, as a web presence, and for sharing. I shall, of course, be investigating TNG (v10) as a research tool as time permits. I suspect what the software (FH or TNG) is capable of doing will depend very much on one's programming skills, as I believe both can run 'scripts'. I agree with Marie that the software won't (or shouldn't) do everything for you, but it could be capable of generating 'hints' and adding the link if you concur. Sorry it is a rather rambling reply, but it is a rather rambling hobby... Ken Joint RR for East & West Sussex On 3 January 2015 at 21:10, Jim Benedict via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Ken Toll (member 1331) and his wife Jean (member 6183) wrote an interesting > pair of articles in the latest journal. > > Ken, you collected hundreds, if not thousands of unindexed documents and > photographs during your trips in 2013 to the northeastern USA and 2014 to > Salt Lake City. Now, how the dickens are you going to organize them into a > research project? As with you, I am trying to use TNG for a family tree > application and research tool. My digital file cabinet has 4,000 files, all > digital images of original Benedict paper documents. They need to be > matched up to Benedict ancestors on the family trees. TNG allows for people > ID numbers and family ID numbers, and I also am using a modified Henry > descendant numbering system for the Benedict line. > > I also know that you plan to use TNG yourself. How does one design a > document database that 'wires' into a family tree application for ONS > research purposes? > > Jim Benedict > Guild Representative for Western Canada > Guild of One-Name Studies: Guild member #4794 > Calgary, Alberta > www.BenedictGenerations.com > ======================================================== > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
>From my own limited experience - and maybe because I'm on the Western side of the Atlantic or because many Peplers/lows never roosted for very long - I tried grouping files by place and it just didn't work for anything smaller than a full country because the vast majority of my study had at least three and in some cases eight different places. So When building a person I was having to visit too many different folders. Now I identify by lineage numbers. Each descendent in a lineage gets the number added to their name and I have a family folder to hold certificates, documents, images etc. If the lineage is vast enough (say over about 200 or so), I have sub folders in the folder for the different event types. Same with numbering - I tried a structured numbering system but I do so many merges that the renumbering became more of a nuisance than an help. This is one of the problems I find with TNG - it wants to identify everything by an ID number and when I merge three people together - two numbers get lost and I don't want to have to chase their attachments everytime I do a merge. Marie (GOONS 5318) Bringing the world together one surname at a time. 'A Pepler Name' http://pepler.tribalpages.com 'Hedgerow - the Ancestors' http://cranberry.tribalpages.com Pepler DNA Study http://www.familytreedna.com/public/pepler-ow/ 'Scroops, Scropes and Scroopes' http://dentonlk.tribalpages.com ________________________________ From: Ken Toll via <goons@rootsweb.com> To: Goons mailing list <goons@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [G] Family Research in the USA - JOONs article by Ken Toll ...Resending as previously posted in Rich Text... Jim, I described my basic filing method in my JOONS article in Oct 2008, http://one-name.org/members/journal/vol9-12.pdf pp 10-12. Re-reading the article, little has changed, except that I now have my own fledgling TNG site at www.Toll-FamilyHistory.org/genealogy. The material I collected was initially filed (on my PC) under the repository where it was found. For each repository, I have been (slowly) sorting the material by "Family Location", enabling me to then bring material together for each family. For the Schenectady (NY) TOLLs I was able to add material into my existing tree, as it is an old and well documented US family. For other families I have yet to transfer much of the information into Trees. I intend to create databases for each State/Province (as I already have for several UK Counties & Aus States) extracting the core genealogical data, its source, and where the image/research is filed. When Jean started the VANT ONS I suggested she also added a 'Tree' reference to each piece of research data. this has worked so well that I now have to go back and re-document mine :-( Very happy to share the format(s) if of interest. I know size isn't everything... ...but I've just checked my ONS and it comprises 23,342 Files in 2,174 Folders occupying almost 30GB! It has clearly grown since the 7GB in 2008. This is almost certainly due to mainly using a Digital Camera (rather than pencil & paper) to record research. As a parallel project, I am tackling the US& Canada States & Provinces one at a time. It's not a perfect solution as some miscreants keep crossing borders! However, I have about 10 Wisconsin TOLL families back to their migrant ancestors and am currently doing the same for Illinios. As time permits, I will be extracting data from my US Trips and adding it to the relevant Family Trees. I actually use Family Historian (FH, v6) as my research tool and currently only use TNG (v9) for on-line backup, as a web presence, and for sharing. I shall, of course, be investigating TNG (v10) as a research tool as time permits. I suspect what the software (FH or TNG) is capable of doing will depend very much on one's programming skills, as I believe both can run 'scripts'. I agree with Marie that the software won't (or shouldn't) do everything for you, but it could be capable of generating 'hints' and adding the link if you concur. Sorry it is a rather rambling reply, but it is a rather rambling hobby... Ken Joint RR for East & West Sussex On 3 January 2015 at 21:10, Jim Benedict via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Ken Toll (member 1331) and his wife Jean (member 6183) wrote an interesting > pair of articles in the latest journal. > > Ken, you collected hundreds, if not thousands of unindexed documents and > photographs during your trips in 2013 to the northeastern USA and 2014 to > Salt Lake City. Now, how the dickens are you going to organize them into a > research project? As with you, I am trying to use TNG for a family tree > application and research tool. My digital file cabinet has 4,000 files, all > digital images of original Benedict paper documents. They need to be > matched up to Benedict ancestors on the family trees. TNG allows for people > ID numbers and family ID numbers, and I also am using a modified Henry > descendant numbering system for the Benedict line. > > I also know that you plan to use TNG yourself. How does one design a > document database that 'wires' into a family tree application for ONS > research purposes? > > Jim Benedict > Guild Representative for Western Canada > Guild of One-Name Studies: Guild member #4794 > Calgary, Alberta > www.BenedictGenerations.com > ======================================================== > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message