Post script to enquiry earlier this week. The will I ordered arrived just after I left Florida two days ago and I've only had time to look at it tonight. Intriguing. If he died OSB and if it means "without issue", then someone didn't tell the paymaster about his will. It's very clear and reads: "In the event of my Death I leave the whole of my property and effects to Dorothy May Flowers, Lenwade, nr Norwich, Norfolk." He signed the will but honestly, I cannot read the initial/first name, or rank? It has either been corrected or someone has written on it. The surname looks like it might be Hawes but it's Howes elsewhere in the document. And it appears to be followed by the letter, G both at the top and bottom of the document. So, even after getting the will, I still cannot figure out who George was! If anyone is interested in this problem, I will post the original of the will in the WebForum with a restatement of the issues. I said "intriguing" particularly, because there was a Dorothy May Flowers in Lenwade (also known as Great Witchingham) in the 1911 census. She's living with a grandmother, age 2, born in Fakenham. Her birth registration appears to have been under the surname of Crick, in Q2 1908, which would fit a birth of 1.61908 and not 1.6.1918 as stated in the Register of Soldiers' effects. There's no Flowers/Crick marriage and no death of a female Flowers or Crick of child-bearing age in Norfolk in the period from 1908 to 1917. If I look at the grandmother, I can see her (albeit with a wide tolerance on her year of birth) through several censuses and eight of her nine children. Looks like one of the girls was Dorothy's mother. I can also now see that Dorothy lived to a ripe old age, dying in 1987 but did not marry and her date of birth was . . . .(drum roll, for what it's worth) . . . 1 Jun 1908! I feel like I've just gone back a generation and doubled the number of uncertainties without going back a generation! Maybe I'll save some pennies and buy the Death Cert for George unless anyone has a better idea. Thanks again for all the ideas so far Paul www.howesfamilies.com Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide

Paul A couple of thoughts - if Dorothy was the daughter of one of the girls then don't forget they could have married twice I notice from the 1939Register that Dorothy was a Staff Nurse a Mundsley Sanatorium so no help there with family but it does lead possibly to other places. You could try tracking down the records of the staff at the Sanatorium or try one of the nursing training establishments. Regards John Hanson, researcher, the Halsted Trust, www.halstedresearch.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Howes via Sent: 25 March 2016 01:31 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [G] Military help, please Post script to enquiry earlier this week. The will I ordered arrived just after I left Florida two days ago and I've only had time to look at it tonight. Intriguing. If he died OSB and if it means "without issue", then someone didn't tell the paymaster about his will. It's very clear and reads: "In the event of my Death I leave the whole of my property and effects to Dorothy May Flowers, Lenwade, nr Norwich, Norfolk." He signed the will but honestly, I cannot read the initial/first name, or rank? It has either been corrected or someone has written on it. The surname looks like it might be Hawes but it's Howes elsewhere in the document. And it appears to be followed by the letter, G both at the top and bottom of the document. So, even after getting the will, I still cannot figure out who George was! If anyone is interested in this problem, I will post the original of the will in the WebForum with a restatement of the issues. I said "intriguing" particularly, because there was a Dorothy May Flowers in Lenwade (also known as Great Witchingham) in the 1911 census. She's living with a grandmother, age 2, born in Fakenham. Her birth registration appears to have been under the surname of Crick, in Q2 1908, which would fit a birth of 1.61908 and not 1.6.1918 as stated in the Register of Soldiers' effects. There's no Flowers/Crick marriage and no death of a female Flowers or Crick of child-bearing age in Norfolk in the period from 1908 to 1917. If I look at the grandmother, I can see her (albeit with a wide tolerance on her year of birth) through several censuses and eight of her nine children. Looks like one of the girls was Dorothy's mother. I can also now see that Dorothy lived to a ripe old age, dying in 1987 but did not marry and her date of birth was . . . .(drum roll, for what it's worth) . . . 1 Jun 1908! I feel like I've just gone back a generation and doubled the number of uncertainties without going back a generation! Maybe I'll save some pennies and buy the Death Cert for George unless anyone has a better idea. Thanks again for all the ideas so far Paul www.howesfamilies.com Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is my first post. Maybe someone has this family in their files? I have contacted some individuals with HUMPHREYS/HUMPHRYS & WELSMAN in their research. I am searching for more information on the ancestry of my 2nd Great Grandmother Sarah HUMPHREYS She became 1st Mrs Henry Crosby & 2nd Mrs John Welsman In her presumed birth records from St Olave, Southwark, Surrey, England in 1806 her parents are named as Lewis HUMPHREYS and Sarah. There is another earlier Baptism for a Lewis Humphry HUMPHRYS in 1798 with Lewis & Sarah as parents. The father Lewis was recorded as a Taylor/ Tailor by occupation (on both chn's St Olave baptisms) as was Sarah's 2nd husband. Earlier there are 2 children born to a Lewis HUMPHREYS & Lydia in the same parish but this Lewis occupation was Cooper so I am presuming he was not the same man. What I am trying to find is a marriage for Lewis HUMPHREYS to Sarah where the wife's Surname is listed. I have tried Wills with no luck as yet. I have tried to find Lewis Humphry HUMPHRYS as well and have no idea what happened to him. I realize I may need to call in some Parish Register films for St Olave & other Surrey parishes but have scrolled through the film strip on Ancestry & tried to check census records. By 1841 Sarah was Mrs John Welsman & in the household were 3 children who were born CROSBY & my Great Grandmother Aphrah WELSMAN was one of 4, younger WELSMAN children. The name HUMPHREYS/HUMPHRYS appears in Surrey registers over many years but could be a Welsh name. Thank you Any ideas would be very helpful Christine Madsen #6969 New Zealand

Dear Paul If this is a genuine military query, bring it along to WDYTYA. William Spencer from the TNA will be up at Birmingham. As you probably know, he is their military history expert. He may know other sources to try. Brian -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Howes via Sent: 25 March 2016 01:31 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [G] Military help, please Post script to enquiry earlier this week. The will I ordered arrived just after I left Florida two days ago and I've only had time to look at it tonight. Intriguing. If he died OSB and if it means "without issue", then someone didn't tell the paymaster about his will. It's very clear and reads: "In the event of my Death I leave the whole of my property and effects to Dorothy May Flowers, Lenwade, nr Norwich, Norfolk." He signed the will but honestly, I cannot read the initial/first name, or rank? It has either been corrected or someone has written on it. The surname looks like it might be Hawes but it's Howes elsewhere in the document. And it appears to be followed by the letter, G both at the top and bottom of the document. So, even after getting the will, I still cannot figure out who George was! If anyone is interested in this problem, I will post the original of the will in the WebForum with a restatement of the issues. I said "intriguing" particularly, because there was a Dorothy May Flowers in Lenwade (also known as Great Witchingham) in the 1911 census. She's living with a grandmother, age 2, born in Fakenham. Her birth registration appears to have been under the surname of Crick, in Q2 1908, which would fit a birth of 1.61908 and not 1.6.1918 as stated in the Register of Soldiers' effects. There's no Flowers/Crick marriage and no death of a female Flowers or Crick of child-bearing age in Norfolk in the period from 1908 to 1917. If I look at the grandmother, I can see her (albeit with a wide tolerance on her year of birth) through several censuses and eight of her nine children. Looks like one of the girls was Dorothy's mother. I can also now see that Dorothy lived to a ripe old age, dying in 1987 but did not marry and her date of birth was . . . .(drum roll, for what it's worth) . . . 1 Jun 1908! I feel like I've just gone back a generation and doubled the number of uncertainties without going back a generation! Maybe I'll save some pennies and buy the Death Cert for George unless anyone has a better idea. Thanks again for all the ideas so far Paul www.howesfamilies.com Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message