Hi ~ just to add to this intriguing thread... The CRICK child was with it's family in the 1911 census so seems to be ruled out. However there is a birth registration 1908/2 of a Dorothy M B FLOWERS @ Faversham(sic) registration district. This is handwritten at the foot of the page & references a late birth registration in 1946(!!)... JQ 1946: Dorothy M B FLOWERS Fakenham R.D. (MMN Woods) Perhaps the following is a red herring but....the following year a Philip FLOWERS married a Mary WOODS/DUFFEY. However I can't see how any of this would help you pinpoint George (?Gordon) HOWES!! As an aside - Dorothy was living with her grandmother Albertina in 1931 per electoral regs. In 1911 census I see there were two children with grandmother Albertina FLOWERS - the other child (Barbara May FLOWERS) was baptised in Heigham, Norwich; a daughter of Lily FLOWERS. But I can't see any trace of a baptism for Dorothy. Barbara May FLOWERS married and had a child (per public family tree) so maybe descendants might know something of the circumstances regarding Dorothy & thus lead to George HOWES. What an unusual problem! best Anne H. 1020 Lyford > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: Re: [G] Military help, please > Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2016 21:31:03 -0400 > From: Paul Howes <[email protected]> > Reply-To: Paul Howes <[email protected]>, [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > Post script to enquiry earlier this week. The will I ordered arrived > just after I left Florida two days ago and I've only had time to look > at it tonight. Intriguing. > > If he died OSB and if it means "without issue", then someone didn't > tell the paymaster about his will. It's very clear and reads: > "In the event of my Death I leave the whole of my property and effects > to Dorothy May Flowers, Lenwade, nr Norwich, Norfolk." > He signed the will but honestly, I cannot read the initial/first name, > or rank? It has either been corrected or someone has written on it. > The surname looks like it might be Hawes but it's Howes elsewhere in > the document. And it appears to be followed by the letter, G both at > the top and bottom of the document. > > So, even after getting the will, I still cannot figure out who George > was! If anyone is interested in this problem, I will post the > original of the will in the WebForum with a restatement of the issues. > > I said "intriguing" particularly, because there was a Dorothy May > Flowers in Lenwade (also known as Great Witchingham) in the 1911 > census. She's living with a grandmother, age 2, born in Fakenham. > Her birth registration appears to have been under the surname of > Crick, in Q2 1908, which would fit a birth of 1.61908 and not 1.6.1918 > as stated in the Register of Soldiers' effects. There's no > Flowers/Crick marriage and no death of a female Flowers or Crick of > child-bearing age in Norfolk in the period from 1908 to 1917. If I > look at the grandmother, I can see her (albeit with a wide tolerance > on her year of birth) through several censuses and eight of her nine > children. Looks like one of the girls was Dorothy's mother. I can > also now see that Dorothy lived to a ripe old age, dying in 1987 but > did not marry and her date of birth was . . . .(drum roll, for what > it's worth) . . . 1 Jun 1908! > > I feel like I've just gone back a generation and doubled the number of > uncertainties without going back a generation! Maybe I'll save some > pennies and buy the Death Cert for George unless anyone has a better > idea. > Thanks again for all the ideas so far > Paul > > www.howesfamilies.com > Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide > > > > > >

Absolutely top job, Anne. Well deserving of a gold star to go on your deerstalker hat! Would never have thought of looking at the original page - I had thought that usually on FreeBMD if there's a late registration the cross-reference between the two quarters is noted, but not in this case. Could you tell me where you saw that public tree, please? I don't see it at Ancestry though I do see a Dorothy M B Flowers dying in Q1 1987 in Norwich. I do see a tree containing Albertina and have written to the owner. Paul On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 5:04 PM, anne higham <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi ~ just to add to this intriguing thread... > > The CRICK child was with it's family in the 1911 census so seems to be ruled > out. > > However there is a birth registration 1908/2 of a Dorothy M B FLOWERS @ > Faversham(sic) registration district. This is handwritten at the foot of > the page & references a late birth registration in 1946(!!)... > > JQ 1946: Dorothy M B FLOWERS Fakenham R.D. (MMN Woods) > > Perhaps the following is a red herring but....the following year a Philip > FLOWERS married a Mary WOODS/DUFFEY. However I can't see how any of this > would help you pinpoint George (?Gordon) HOWES!! > > As an aside - Dorothy was living with her grandmother Albertina in 1931 per > electoral regs. > > In 1911 census I see there were two children with grandmother Albertina > FLOWERS - the other child (Barbara May FLOWERS) was baptised in Heigham, > Norwich; a daughter of Lily FLOWERS. But I can't see any trace of a baptism > for Dorothy. > > Barbara May FLOWERS married and had a child (per public family tree) so > maybe descendants might know something of the circumstances regarding > Dorothy & thus lead to George HOWES. > > What an unusual problem! > > best > Anne H. > 1020 Lyford > > > > > >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> Subject: Re: [G] Military help, please >> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2016 21:31:03 -0400 >> From: Paul Howes <[email protected]> >> Reply-To: Paul Howes <[email protected]>, [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> >> Post script to enquiry earlier this week. The will I ordered arrived >> just after I left Florida two days ago and I've only had time to look >> at it tonight. Intriguing. >> >> If he died OSB and if it means "without issue", then someone didn't >> tell the paymaster about his will. It's very clear and reads: >> "In the event of my Death I leave the whole of my property and effects >> to Dorothy May Flowers, Lenwade, nr Norwich, Norfolk." >> He signed the will but honestly, I cannot read the initial/first name, >> or rank? It has either been corrected or someone has written on it. >> The surname looks like it might be Hawes but it's Howes elsewhere in >> the document. And it appears to be followed by the letter, G both at >> the top and bottom of the document. >> >> So, even after getting the will, I still cannot figure out who George >> was! If anyone is interested in this problem, I will post the >> original of the will in the WebForum with a restatement of the issues. >> >> I said "intriguing" particularly, because there was a Dorothy May >> Flowers in Lenwade (also known as Great Witchingham) in the 1911 >> census. She's living with a grandmother, age 2, born in Fakenham. >> Her birth registration appears to have been under the surname of >> Crick, in Q2 1908, which would fit a birth of 1.61908 and not 1.6.1918 >> as stated in the Register of Soldiers' effects. There's no >> Flowers/Crick marriage and no death of a female Flowers or Crick of >> child-bearing age in Norfolk in the period from 1908 to 1917. If I >> look at the grandmother, I can see her (albeit with a wide tolerance >> on her year of birth) through several censuses and eight of her nine >> children. Looks like one of the girls was Dorothy's mother. I can >> also now see that Dorothy lived to a ripe old age, dying in 1987 but >> did not marry and her date of birth was . . . .(drum roll, for what >> it's worth) . . . 1 Jun 1908! >> >> I feel like I've just gone back a generation and doubled the number of >> uncertainties without going back a generation! Maybe I'll save some >> pennies and buy the Death Cert for George unless anyone has a better >> idea. >> Thanks again for all the ideas so far >> Paul >> >> www.howesfamilies.com >> Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide >> >> >> >> >> >> > -- Paul Howes Chairman, Guild of One-Name Studies www.one-name.org www.howesfamilies.com Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide