Very kind of you, Evelyn, as were earlier thoughts from John Hanson and Brian Swann. Thank you Paul On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Evelyn O'Connor <[email protected]> wrote: > Paul, > Your query intrigued me! > > On "The Forces War Records" site, he is listed as Gordon Howes with > the Service No:14301. This is taken from "Soldiers Died in the Great > War 1914-1919" it contains no more information than what has already > been mentioned by you. > > However, "The Genealogist" site , holds records of the Daily Casualty List. > G. Howes Service No 14301 is listed as wounded on 21 October 1916. > The War Office Casualty List announces his death in the the edition of > 19 February 1918. > There is also a link to the CWGC site and the burial of Gordon Howes in Norwich. > > I have looked in vain for the birth of a Gordon Howes c.1888 (also > census returns) as I expect you & many others have. Plenty of > George's. > > I am sorry to have perhaps only added to the confusion. Nevertheless! > > Good hunting & do let us know if you finally resolve this conundrum. > > Kind Wishes. > > Evelyn (Roope/Rope ONS) > > On 25 March 2016 at 02:31, Paul Howes via <[email protected]> wrote: >> Post script to enquiry earlier this week. The will I ordered arrived >> just after I left Florida two days ago and I've only had time to look >> at it tonight. Intriguing. >> >> If he died OSB and if it means "without issue", then someone didn't >> tell the paymaster about his will. It's very clear and reads: >> "In the event of my Death I leave the whole of my property and effects >> to Dorothy May Flowers, Lenwade, nr Norwich, Norfolk." >> He signed the will but honestly, I cannot read the initial/first name, >> or rank? It has either been corrected or someone has written on it. >> The surname looks like it might be Hawes but it's Howes elsewhere in >> the document. And it appears to be followed by the letter, G both at >> the top and bottom of the document. >> >> So, even after getting the will, I still cannot figure out who George >> was! If anyone is interested in this problem, I will post the >> original of the will in the WebForum with a restatement of the issues. >> >> I said "intriguing" particularly, because there was a Dorothy May >> Flowers in Lenwade (also known as Great Witchingham) in the 1911 >> census. She's living with a grandmother, age 2, born in Fakenham. >> Her birth registration appears to have been under the surname of >> Crick, in Q2 1908, which would fit a birth of 1.61908 and not 1.6.1918 >> as stated in the Register of Soldiers' effects. There's no >> Flowers/Crick marriage and no death of a female Flowers or Crick of >> child-bearing age in Norfolk in the period from 1908 to 1917. If I >> look at the grandmother, I can see her (albeit with a wide tolerance >> on her year of birth) through several censuses and eight of her nine >> children. Looks like one of the girls was Dorothy's mother. I can >> also now see that Dorothy lived to a ripe old age, dying in 1987 but >> did not marry and her date of birth was . . . .(drum roll, for what >> it's worth) . . . 1 Jun 1908! >> >> I feel like I've just gone back a generation and doubled the number of >> uncertainties without going back a generation! Maybe I'll save some >> pennies and buy the Death Cert for George unless anyone has a better >> idea. >> Thanks again for all the ideas so far >> Paul >> >> www.howesfamilies.com >> Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Paul Howes Chairman, Guild of One-Name Studies www.one-name.org www.howesfamilies.com Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide

Hi Paul Yesterday I tried for my own interest of trying new sites to work the names through. It produced a number of coincidents In the Flowers family Regards Richard -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Howes via Sent: 25 March 2016 20:17 To: Evelyn O'Connor <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [G] Military help, please Very kind of you, Evelyn, as were earlier thoughts from John Hanson and Brian Swann. Thank you Paul On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Evelyn O'Connor <[email protected]> wrote: > Paul, > Your query intrigued me! > > On "The Forces War Records" site, he is listed as Gordon Howes with > the Service No:14301. This is taken from "Soldiers Died in the Great > War 1914-1919" it contains no more information than what has already > been mentioned by you. > > However, "The Genealogist" site , holds records of the Daily Casualty List. > G. Howes Service No 14301 is listed as wounded on 21 October 1916. > The War Office Casualty List announces his death in the the edition of > 19 February 1918. > There is also a link to the CWGC site and the burial of Gordon Howes in Norwich. > > I have looked in vain for the birth of a Gordon Howes c.1888 (also > census returns) as I expect you & many others have. Plenty of > George's. > > I am sorry to have perhaps only added to the confusion. Nevertheless! > > Good hunting & do let us know if you finally resolve this conundrum. > > Kind Wishes. > > Evelyn (Roope/Rope ONS) > > On 25 March 2016 at 02:31, Paul Howes via <[email protected]> wrote: >> Post script to enquiry earlier this week. The will I ordered arrived >> just after I left Florida two days ago and I've only had time to look >> at it tonight. Intriguing. >> >> If he died OSB and if it means "without issue", then someone didn't >> tell the paymaster about his will. It's very clear and reads: >> "In the event of my Death I leave the whole of my property and >> effects to Dorothy May Flowers, Lenwade, nr Norwich, Norfolk." >> He signed the will but honestly, I cannot read the initial/first >> name, or rank? It has either been corrected or someone has written on it. >> The surname looks like it might be Hawes but it's Howes elsewhere in >> the document. And it appears to be followed by the letter, G both at >> the top and bottom of the document. >> >> So, even after getting the will, I still cannot figure out who George >> was! If anyone is interested in this problem, I will post the >> original of the will in the WebForum with a restatement of the issues. >> >> I said "intriguing" particularly, because there was a Dorothy May >> Flowers in Lenwade (also known as Great Witchingham) in the 1911 >> census. She's living with a grandmother, age 2, born in Fakenham. >> Her birth registration appears to have been under the surname of >> Crick, in Q2 1908, which would fit a birth of 1.61908 and not >> 1.6.1918 as stated in the Register of Soldiers' effects. There's no >> Flowers/Crick marriage and no death of a female Flowers or Crick of >> child-bearing age in Norfolk in the period from 1908 to 1917. If I >> look at the grandmother, I can see her (albeit with a wide tolerance >> on her year of birth) through several censuses and eight of her nine >> children. Looks like one of the girls was Dorothy's mother. I can >> also now see that Dorothy lived to a ripe old age, dying in 1987 but >> did not marry and her date of birth was . . . .(drum roll, for what >> it's worth) . . . 1 Jun 1908! >> >> I feel like I've just gone back a generation and doubled the number >> of uncertainties without going back a generation! Maybe I'll save >> some pennies and buy the Death Cert for George unless anyone has a >> better idea. >> Thanks again for all the ideas so far Paul >> >> www.howesfamilies.com >> Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Paul Howes Chairman, Guild of One-Name Studies www.one-name.org www.howesfamilies.com Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Paul To expand on my vague statement on the Flowers coincidents Dorothy May Flowers born 1/6/1908 The 1901 cenus has Flowers looking quite similar to Howes as doesGordon's 1901 enlistment form In 1891 if you look under Albertina Flowers you find a Gordon b 1882 with sisters Lily ( who appears to be Dorothy's mother) Bertha,Kate who goes to live in Leeds with more family. There would seem to be a connection to Basford,Notts. Gordon enlisted in the Norfolk Regiment but did he reenlist in 1914 ? Regards Richard