I've recently sent three emails to the List that have not seemed to arrive so am resending this one with fingers crossed From Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds. E-Mail: [email protected] GOONS Mem. No. 1757 Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock, Moist/Moyst. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Merryl Wells" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 8:37 PM Subject: Error in GRO Index? >I came across Henry Christopher Bawtree's birth on 3 Nov 1863 Camberwell >not having an entry on FreeBMD which I thought was odd, so went hunting. >Searching for any Henry C. B* born 1861 to 1865 I found Henry Christopher >Baurn Dec. 1863 Camberwell R.D. which must be him, but surname unclear, so >checked the original scan. > > Initially I thought there were no Baurn entries but on looking around, > before BAX I found five Baurn entries with the previous entry being one > Bowler, and before that Bawden which was in the right sequence. There are > also no Bawtree entries in that quarter on that page. > > I thought of leaving a PostEm note but no one searching for Bawtree would > think to look at it. Also it is therefore possible that the other entries > are not just in the wrong place but have the wrong surname? I looked in > my Bawtree birth indexes for the previous entry of Lilian Louisa Baurn but > couldn't find any Lilian Louisa Bawtree births at all. > > Can't think of anything I can do to get it corrected or to warn other > researchers as guess I would have to buy the Baurn certificate to prove > it's really Bawtree. > > From > Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds. > E-Mail: [email protected] > GOONS Mem. No. 1757 Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock, Moist/Moyst.

Hi Merryl This looks like an error which was made when the original index was converted from the handwritten version to the typewritten version. Looking at the page, the clues are in the entries which are out of alphabetical order. These are the ones which have been wrongly copied. So BOWLER is obviously out of sequence, and should probably be BAWLER, I would think. This is a simple typo. Then there are several Baurn entries, Clara, Ellen Emily, Henry, Lilian Louisa, Henry Christopher. Henry Christopher is out of sequence, so it looks like the typist accidentally omitted another surname. Bawtree comes between Baurn and Bax, so fits exactly. I found a similar example a few years ago in the births for WILLINGS in 1864 September quarter, where there were seven entries. This is very high for Willings, so I was suspicious, then I noticed there were two sequences of forenames. I wrote to Southport querying this and they replied to confirm that the second sequence of names should have been WILLINGTON. They corrected their indexes but naturally all the online indexes are incorrect. So, I think that only one of the Baurn entries should be Bawtree. You could query it directly with the GRO but whether it would help anyone else would be doubtful, or you could try Corinne’s suggestion. I agree with the suggestion of reading Michael Foster’s book. It explains a lot. June Willing Guild of One-Name Studies member no 2117 Willing/Willings One-Name Study http://one-name.org/name_profile/Willing/ Willing/Willings DNA Project https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/willing Dominicus One-Name Study http://one-name.org/name_profile/dominicus/ > On 19 May 2016, at 06:58, Merryl Wells via <[email protected]> wrote: > > I've recently sent three emails to the List that have not seemed to arrive > so am resending this one with fingers crossed > From > Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds. > E-Mail: [email protected] > GOONS Mem. No. 1757 Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock, Moist/Moyst. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Merryl Wells" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 8:37 PM > Subject: Error in GRO Index? > > >> I came across Henry Christopher Bawtree's birth on 3 Nov 1863 Camberwell >> not having an entry on FreeBMD which I thought was odd, so went hunting. >> Searching for any Henry C. B* born 1861 to 1865 I found Henry Christopher >> Baurn Dec. 1863 Camberwell R.D. which must be him, but surname unclear, so >> checked the original scan. >> >> Initially I thought there were no Baurn entries but on looking around, >> before BAX I found five Baurn entries with the previous entry being one >> Bowler, and before that Bawden which was in the right sequence. There are >> also no Bawtree entries in that quarter on that page. >> >> I thought of leaving a PostEm note but no one searching for Bawtree would >> think to look at it. Also it is therefore possible that the other entries >> are not just in the wrong place but have the wrong surname? I looked in >> my Bawtree birth indexes for the previous entry of Lilian Louisa Baurn but >> couldn't find any Lilian Louisa Bawtree births at all. >> >> Can't think of anything I can do to get it corrected or to warn other >> researchers as guess I would have to buy the Baurn certificate to prove >> it's really Bawtree. >> >> From >> Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds. >> E-Mail: [email protected] >> GOONS Mem. No. 1757 Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock, Moist/Moyst. > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The other book that I would recommend to get a full understanding of Civil Registration in England and Wales and how it relates with the GRO is Birth, Marriage and Death Records (a guide for the family historian) by David Annal and Audrey Collins and published by Pen and Sword I contains a lot of the background information and also explains exactly how the indexes were created and the issues involved. One other course of action would be to contact the actual Register Office - the trouble seems to be that some of the London ones point you are the GRO! Regards John Hanson Researcher, The Halsted Trust Website - www.halstedresearch.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of June Willing via Sent: 19 May 2016 09:04 To: Merryl Wells; [email protected] Subject: Re: [G] Error in GRO Index? Hi Merryl This looks like an error which was made when the original index was converted from the handwritten version to the typewritten version. Looking at the page, the clues are in the entries which are out of alphabetical order. These are the ones which have been wrongly copied. So BOWLER is obviously out of sequence, and should probably be BAWLER, I would think. This is a simple typo. Then there are several Baurn entries, Clara, Ellen Emily, Henry, Lilian Louisa, Henry Christopher. Henry Christopher is out of sequence, so it looks like the typist accidentally omitted another surname. Bawtree comes between Baurn and Bax, so fits exactly. I found a similar example a few years ago in the births for WILLINGS in 1864 September quarter, where there were seven entries. This is very high for Willings, so I was suspicious, then I noticed there were two sequences of forenames. I wrote to Southport querying this and they replied to confirm that the second sequence of names should have been WILLINGTON. They corrected their indexes but naturally all the online indexes are incorrect. So, I think that only one of the Baurn entries should be Bawtree. You could query it directly with the GRO but whether it would help anyone else would be doubtful, or you could try Corinne’s suggestion. I agree with the suggestion of reading Michael Foster’s book. It explains a lot. June Willing Guild of One-Name Studies member no 2117 Willing/Willings One-Name Study http://one-name.org/name_profile/Willing/ Willing/Willings DNA Project https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/willing Dominicus One-Name Study http://one-name.org/name_profile/dominicus/ > On 19 May 2016, at 06:58, Merryl Wells via <[email protected]> wrote: > > I've recently sent three emails to the List that have not seemed to > arrive so am resending this one with fingers crossed From Merryl Wells > of Luton, Beds. > E-Mail: [email protected] > GOONS Mem. No. 1757 Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock, Moist/Moyst. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Merryl Wells" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 8:37 PM > Subject: Error in GRO Index? > > >> I came across Henry Christopher Bawtree's birth on 3 Nov 1863 >> Camberwell not having an entry on FreeBMD which I thought was odd, so went hunting. >> Searching for any Henry C. B* born 1861 to 1865 I found Henry >> Christopher Baurn Dec. 1863 Camberwell R.D. which must be him, but >> surname unclear, so checked the original scan. >> >> Initially I thought there were no Baurn entries but on looking >> around, before BAX I found five Baurn entries with the previous entry >> being one Bowler, and before that Bawden which was in the right >> sequence. There are also no Bawtree entries in that quarter on that page. >> >> I thought of leaving a PostEm note but no one searching for Bawtree >> would think to look at it. Also it is therefore possible that the >> other entries are not just in the wrong place but have the wrong >> surname? I looked in my Bawtree birth indexes for the previous entry >> of Lilian Louisa Baurn but couldn't find any Lilian Louisa Bawtree births at all. >> >> Can't think of anything I can do to get it corrected or to warn other >> researchers as guess I would have to buy the Baurn certificate to >> prove it's really Bawtree. >> >> From >> Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds. >> E-Mail: [email protected] >> GOONS Mem. No. 1757 Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock, Moist/Moyst. > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message