Good evening, I have recently joined a Facebook site which is covering the area of Cheam, Epsom and Ewell (Surrey, England) - its Memories, Local History and Genealogy. My mother's father lived in the area and I was comfortable with my knowledge of him. He was Abiezer Wreford Rowe Kelly - born on 9th March 1896 in Lewisham (London). He married my Grandmother on 11th October 1922, but they divorced and he married Doris May Biden (Registered Surrey ME, Mar 1950). So far so good. All was well until someone on the Facebook site pointed out that xxx. Ummm. I understood that Doris had been the Lady Captain of the Epsom Golf Club but had found no confirmation. Someone else on the Facebook site identified a record which showed her as D.M. Rowe-Kelly. So I decided to look further. Going back to his name - the birth certificate says "Birth of Abiezer Wreford Kelly - son of Philip Fulford Kelly (Master Coach Builder) and Mary Tracey Kelly formerly Lake". I have both the Kelly and Lake families going way back - no mention of Rowe. His death certificate says death of "Abiezer Wreford Rowe Kelly on 6th January 1986, born 9th March 1896 in Devon ..." I had previously identified the marriage in FreeBMD - Marriage of Abiezer W R Kelly and Doris M Biden, Surrey Mid E 5g 418, Mar 1950 - with a duplicate entry showing her surname as Pym - indicating that she had two surnames. Sure enough, I had found her previous marriage - Marriage of Wilfred C Pym and Doris M Biden, Epsom 2a 33, Sep 1919. No mention of Rowe other than the initial R. My Mother's birth certificate says "Birth of Mary ... Kelly - daughter of Abiezer Wreford Rowe Kelly (Civil Servant - Post Office Engineering department) and Jane Esther Kelly formerly Lockyer." So Rowe has appeared - but from where? [I have not obtained her brother's birth certificate.] His entry on the WW1 medal roll was in the name of "KELLY Wreford" - though I am not 100% sure I have the right person - though do know he was in the Royal Field Artillery (photographs of him in his uniform). I can't find his service record. So - no help on those names. Doris' death is registered - Doris May Rowe Kelly, born 25 Dec 1899, Gipping and Hartismere 10 2577, Apr 1990. She is buried with my grandfather. The "find a grave" entry shows her as Doris May Kelly, born 25 Dec 1899 in Redruth (Cornwall), died 13 Apr 1990 in Old Newton (Suffolk) and spouse Abiezer Wreford R Kelly (1896-1986). So - where does the Rowe come from? Any ideas people? By the way - what I have found to date is on my web-site (http://www.gray-ons.org/secondsite/g0/p37.htm). By the way - there was a Doris May Rowe born in Cornwall in 1899, but she married a Percival G Allen in Highland Park, Wayne, Michigan, USA and so I have placed her on the back burner - being comfortable on the Biden.

Christopher, In my husband's family his grandmother and her siblings had a number of interesting 2nd or 3rd names which turned out to be the surnames of family friends - not relations. Maybe the same goes for your grandfather's name. Eileen KNAPPETT ONS On 29 May 2016, at 20:57, Christopher.Gray via wrote: > Good evening, > > I have recently joined a Facebook site which is covering the area of Cheam, > Epsom and Ewell (Surrey, England) - its Memories, Local History and > Genealogy. My mother's father lived in the area and I was comfortable with > my knowledge of him. He was Abiezer Wreford Rowe Kelly - born on 9th March > 1896 in Lewisham (London). He married my Grandmother on 11th October 1922, > but they divorced and he married Doris May Biden (Registered Surrey ME, Mar > 1950). So far so good. All was well until someone on the Facebook site > pointed out that xxx. Ummm. I understood that Doris had been the Lady > Captain of the Epsom Golf Club but had found no confirmation. Someone else > on the Facebook site identified a record which showed her as D.M. > Rowe-Kelly. So I decided to look further. > > Going back to his name - the birth certificate says "Birth of Abiezer > Wreford Kelly - son of Philip Fulford Kelly (Master Coach Builder) and Mary > Tracey Kelly formerly Lake". I have both the Kelly and Lake families going > way back - no mention of Rowe. His death certificate says death of "Abiezer > Wreford Rowe Kelly on 6th January 1986, born 9th March 1896 in Devon ..." > > I had previously identified the marriage in FreeBMD - Marriage of Abiezer W > R Kelly and Doris M Biden, Surrey Mid E 5g 418, Mar 1950 - with a duplicate > entry showing her surname as Pym - indicating that she had two surnames. > Sure enough, I had found her previous marriage - Marriage of Wilfred C Pym > and Doris M Biden, Epsom 2a 33, Sep 1919. No mention of Rowe other than the > initial R. > > My Mother's birth certificate says "Birth of Mary ... Kelly - daughter of > Abiezer Wreford Rowe Kelly (Civil Servant - Post Office Engineering > department) and Jane Esther Kelly formerly Lockyer." So Rowe has appeared - > but from where? [I have not obtained her brother's birth certificate.] > > His entry on the WW1 medal roll was in the name of "KELLY Wreford" - though > I am not 100% sure I have the right person - though do know he was in the > Royal Field Artillery (photographs of him in his uniform). I can't find his > service record. So - no help on those names. Doris' death is registered - > Doris May Rowe Kelly, born 25 Dec 1899, Gipping and Hartismere 10 2577, Apr > 1990. She is buried with my grandfather. The "find a grave" entry shows > her as Doris May Kelly, born 25 Dec 1899 in Redruth (Cornwall), died 13 Apr > 1990 in Old Newton (Suffolk) and spouse Abiezer Wreford R Kelly (1896-1986). > > So - where does the Rowe come from? Any ideas people? By the way - what I > have found to date is on my web-site > (http://www.gray-ons.org/secondsite/g0/p37.htm). > > By the way - there was a Doris May Rowe born in Cornwall in 1899, but she > married a Percival G Allen in Highland Park, Wayne, Michigan, USA and so I > have placed her on the back burner - being comfortable on the Biden.

I would concur with Eileen, especially if said friends had good connections.... and once one reaches child number six or seven... Angie Dodkin(s) ONS -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eileen Adkins via Sent: 29 May 2016 22:15 To: Christopher.Gray; [email protected] Subject: Re: [G] A puzzle in Surrey with the Kelly clan Christopher, In my husband's family his grandmother and her siblings had a number of interesting 2nd or 3rd names which turned out to be the surnames of family friends - not relations. Maybe the same goes for your grandfather's name. Eileen KNAPPETT ONS On 29 May 2016, at 20:57, Christopher.Gray via wrote: > Good evening, > > I have recently joined a Facebook site which is covering the area of > Cheam, Epsom and Ewell (Surrey, England) - its Memories, Local History > and Genealogy. My mother's father lived in the area and I was > comfortable with my knowledge of him. He was Abiezer Wreford Rowe Kelly - born on 9th March > 1896 in Lewisham (London). He married my Grandmother on 11th October 1922, > but they divorced and he married Doris May Biden (Registered Surrey > ME, Mar 1950). So far so good. All was well until someone on the > Facebook site pointed out that xxx. Ummm. I understood that Doris > had been the Lady Captain of the Epsom Golf Club but had found no > confirmation. Someone else on the Facebook site identified a record which showed her as D.M. > Rowe-Kelly. So I decided to look further. > > Going back to his name - the birth certificate says "Birth of Abiezer > Wreford Kelly - son of Philip Fulford Kelly (Master Coach Builder) and > Mary Tracey Kelly formerly Lake". I have both the Kelly and Lake > families going way back - no mention of Rowe. His death certificate > says death of "Abiezer Wreford Rowe Kelly on 6th January 1986, born 9th March 1896 in Devon ..." > > I had previously identified the marriage in FreeBMD - Marriage of > Abiezer W R Kelly and Doris M Biden, Surrey Mid E 5g 418, Mar 1950 - > with a duplicate entry showing her surname as Pym - indicating that she had two surnames. > Sure enough, I had found her previous marriage - Marriage of Wilfred C > Pym and Doris M Biden, Epsom 2a 33, Sep 1919. No mention of Rowe > other than the initial R. > > My Mother's birth certificate says "Birth of Mary ... Kelly - daughter > of Abiezer Wreford Rowe Kelly (Civil Servant - Post Office Engineering > department) and Jane Esther Kelly formerly Lockyer." So Rowe has > appeared - but from where? [I have not obtained her brother's birth > certificate.] > > His entry on the WW1 medal roll was in the name of "KELLY Wreford" - > though I am not 100% sure I have the right person - though do know he > was in the Royal Field Artillery (photographs of him in his uniform). > I can't find his service record. So - no help on those names. Doris' > death is registered - Doris May Rowe Kelly, born 25 Dec 1899, Gipping > and Hartismere 10 2577, Apr 1990. She is buried with my grandfather. > The "find a grave" entry shows her as Doris May Kelly, born 25 Dec > 1899 in Redruth (Cornwall), died 13 Apr > 1990 in Old Newton (Suffolk) and spouse Abiezer Wreford R Kelly (1896-1986). > > So - where does the Rowe come from? Any ideas people? By the way - > what I have found to date is on my web-site > (http://www.gray-ons.org/secondsite/g0/p37.htm). > > By the way - there was a Doris May Rowe born in Cornwall in 1899, but > she married a Percival G Allen in Highland Park, Wayne, Michigan, USA > and so I have placed her on the back burner - being comfortable on the Biden. _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Is it possible that he used/took the name Rowe, perhaps as hyphenated with Kelly, to comply with the terms of a will to gain an inheritance. An uncle by marriage of mine was born William Aylesbrook Cuthbert, showing he was related to the Aylesbrook family. To inherit under the terms of the will of an Aylesebrook relative he changed his surname by deed poll (or whatever legal means) to become William Aylesbrook Aylesbrook. John John E Titterton BSc(Eng) MA FSA Ashbourne DE6 1SH -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christopher.Gray via Sent: 29 May 2016 20:58 To: Goons <[email protected]> Subject: [G] A puzzle in Surrey with the Kelly clan Good evening, I have recently joined a Facebook site which is covering the area of Cheam, Epsom and Ewell (Surrey, England) - its Memories, Local History and Genealogy. My mother's father lived in the area and I was comfortable with my knowledge of him. He was Abiezer Wreford Rowe Kelly - born on 9th March 1896 in Lewisham (London). He married my Grandmother on 11th October 1922, but they divorced and he married Doris May Biden (Registered Surrey ME, Mar 1950). So far so good. All was well until someone on the Facebook site pointed out that xxx. Ummm. I understood that Doris had been the Lady Captain of the Epsom Golf Club but had found no confirmation. Someone else on the Facebook site identified a record which showed her as D.M. Rowe-Kelly. So I decided to look further. Going back to his name - the birth certificate says "Birth of Abiezer Wreford Kelly - son of Philip Fulford Kelly (Master Coach Builder) and Mary Tracey Kelly formerly Lake". I have both the Kelly and Lake families going way back - no mention of Rowe. His death certificate says death of "Abiezer Wreford Rowe Kelly on 6th January 1986, born 9th March 1896 in Devon ..." I had previously identified the marriage in FreeBMD - Marriage of Abiezer W R Kelly and Doris M Biden, Surrey Mid E 5g 418, Mar 1950 - with a duplicate entry showing her surname as Pym - indicating that she had two surnames. Sure enough, I had found her previous marriage - Marriage of Wilfred C Pym and Doris M Biden, Epsom 2a 33, Sep 1919. No mention of Rowe other than the initial R. My Mother's birth certificate says "Birth of Mary ... Kelly - daughter of Abiezer Wreford Rowe Kelly (Civil Servant - Post Office Engineering department) and Jane Esther Kelly formerly Lockyer." So Rowe has appeared - but from where? [I have not obtained her brother's birth certificate.] His entry on the WW1 medal roll was in the name of "KELLY Wreford" - though I am not 100% sure I have the right person - though do know he was in the Royal Field Artillery (photographs of him in his uniform). I can't find his service record. So - no help on those names. Doris' death is registered - Doris May Rowe Kelly, born 25 Dec 1899, Gipping and Hartismere 10 2577, Apr 1990. She is buried with my grandfather. The "find a grave" entry shows her as Doris May Kelly, born 25 Dec 1899 in Redruth (Cornwall), died 13 Apr 1990 in Old Newton (Suffolk) and spouse Abiezer Wreford R Kelly (1896-1986). So - where does the Rowe come from? Any ideas people? By the way - what I have found to date is on my web-site (http://www.gray-ons.org/secondsite/g0/p37.htm). By the way - there was a Doris May Rowe born in Cornwall in 1899, but she married a Percival G Allen in Highland Park, Wayne, Michigan, USA and so I have placed her on the back burner - being comfortable on the Biden. _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That is an excellent idea John. I have heard of that type of behaviour before, but hadn't considered that for this - no idea why not. Now to find a suitable ROWE and so I will follow the suggestions posted before - neighbours of the family, business partners of father, etc, etc. Regards Chris -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of john titterton via Sent: 31 May 2016 01:15 To: 'Christopher.Gray' <[email protected]>; [email protected] Subject: Re: [G] A puzzle in Surrey with the Kelly clan Hi Is it possible that he used/took the name Rowe, perhaps as hyphenated with Kelly, to comply with the terms of a will to gain an inheritance. An uncle by marriage of mine was born William Aylesbrook Cuthbert, showing he was related to the Aylesbrook family. To inherit under the terms of the will of an Aylesebrook relative he changed his surname by deed poll (or whatever legal means) to become William Aylesbrook Aylesbrook. John John E Titterton BSc(Eng) MA FSA Ashbourne DE6 1SH -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christopher.Gray via Sent: 29 May 2016 20:58 To: Goons <[email protected]> Subject: [G] A puzzle in Surrey with the Kelly clan Good evening, I have recently joined a Facebook site which is covering the area of Cheam, Epsom and Ewell (Surrey, England) - its Memories, Local History and Genealogy. My mother's father lived in the area and I was comfortable with my knowledge of him. He was Abiezer Wreford Rowe Kelly - born on 9th March 1896 in Lewisham (London). He married my Grandmother on 11th October 1922, but they divorced and he married Doris May Biden (Registered Surrey ME, Mar 1950). So far so good. All was well until someone on the Facebook site pointed out that xxx. Ummm. I understood that Doris had been the Lady Captain of the Epsom Golf Club but had found no confirmation. Someone else on the Facebook site identified a record which showed her as D.M. Rowe-Kelly. So I decided to look further. Going back to his name - the birth certificate says "Birth of Abiezer Wreford Kelly - son of Philip Fulford Kelly (Master Coach Builder) and Mary Tracey Kelly formerly Lake". I have both the Kelly and Lake families going way back - no mention of Rowe. His death certificate says death of "Abiezer Wreford Rowe Kelly on 6th January 1986, born 9th March 1896 in Devon ..." I had previously identified the marriage in FreeBMD - Marriage of Abiezer W R Kelly and Doris M Biden, Surrey Mid E 5g 418, Mar 1950 - with a duplicate entry showing her surname as Pym - indicating that she had two surnames. Sure enough, I had found her previous marriage - Marriage of Wilfred C Pym and Doris M Biden, Epsom 2a 33, Sep 1919. No mention of Rowe other than the initial R. My Mother's birth certificate says "Birth of Mary ... Kelly - daughter of Abiezer Wreford Rowe Kelly (Civil Servant - Post Office Engineering department) and Jane Esther Kelly formerly Lockyer." So Rowe has appeared - but from where? [I have not obtained her brother's birth certificate.] His entry on the WW1 medal roll was in the name of "KELLY Wreford" - though I am not 100% sure I have the right person - though do know he was in the Royal Field Artillery (photographs of him in his uniform). I can't find his service record. So - no help on those names. Doris' death is registered - Doris May Rowe Kelly, born 25 Dec 1899, Gipping and Hartismere 10 2577, Apr 1990. She is buried with my grandfather. The "find a grave" entry shows her as Doris May Kelly, born 25 Dec 1899 in Redruth (Cornwall), died 13 Apr 1990 in Old Newton (Suffolk) and spouse Abiezer Wreford R Kelly (1896-1986). So - where does the Rowe come from? Any ideas people? By the way - what I have found to date is on my web-site (http://www.gray-ons.org/secondsite/g0/p37.htm). By the way - there was a Doris May Rowe born in Cornwall in 1899, but she married a Percival G Allen in Highland Park, Wayne, Michigan, USA and so I have placed her on the back burner - being comfortable on the Biden. _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message