Charles the second son of James & Elizabeth Philo was born on 29 August 1773 and baptized on 12 September 1773 at St Nicholas, East Dereham Charles was apprenticed to Edward Bracebridge a Watch Finisher of St James, Clerkenwell for 7 years on 22 May 1786 for the consideration of £8. Banns for a marriage between Charles Philo and Mary Bishop were published on 9th, 16th & 23rd February 1794 at St. Martins in the Fields, Westminster, but the marriage did not take place at St. Martins in the Fields as the Banns Register has a note that the marriage was "Forbidden by James Philo the father of Chas. Philo of East Dereham in Norfolk, He being a Minor". James Philo was the Parish Clerk of East Dereham at the time. However Charles Philo swore an Allegation dated 24th February 1793 (date should probably be 1794!) that he "was of the Parish of Saint Andrew Holborn in the County of Middlesex aBachelor of the age of Twenty two Years and upwards and intended to intermarry with Mary Bishop of the same Parish Spinster also of twenty two years & upwards" Charles Philo of the parish of Saint Andrew, Holborn in the County of Middlesex, Bachelor and Mary Bishop of the same parish a Spinster, were married in this church (St Andrew) by Licence on the twenty fourth day of February in the year One thousand seven Hundred and Ninety Four. Charles must have been reconciled with his father as he had equal shares with his siblings in his father's will. Tony Harris #5904 Philo One Name Study -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of June Willing via Sent: 21 May 2016 10:28 To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [G] Illegal marriage ? Hi Ann A marriage where the ages were falsified was still legal. It seems that she did not tell her parents and later ‘married’ someone else. In the absence of other evidence the second marriage was bigamous. However, it is possible that William Ginger was not free to marry Mary, in which case she would have been free to marry James. Have you checked for a prior marriage for William? June Willing KFHS member no 2588 Guild of One-Name Studies member no 2117 Willing/Willings One-Name Study http://one-name.org/name_profile/Willing/ Willing/Willings DNA Project https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/willing Dominicus One-Name Study http://one-name.org/name_profile/dominicus/ > On 21 May 2016, at 09:23, Robert Fowler via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi > > Large numbers of wedding combattants gave their age as 21 although they were obviously younger. It appears the churchs were happy to proceed so long as they were "told" that figure. > > Robert Fowler > > > ________________________________ > From: ann wadge via <[email protected]> > To: goons <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, 21 May 2016, 9:12 > Subject: [G] Illegal marriage ? > > > On 4 March 1850 a marriage took place between Mary Louisa Virtue Wadge & William Ginger at St Martin in the Fields, both parties said to be of full age although I know that the bride was only 18. > The 1851 census shows her in her parents' household, unmarried & in 1853 she married James George Waight. > Would this first marriage have been illegal because of her age, if she had no parental consent & could the parents have had it anulled ? Would there have been any record of this ? > Thanks for any help or guidance > Ann > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message