Hi Can anyone suggest some lines of enquiry I can follow to try and find the burial place of a baby who was my first cousin? (He died before I was born.) My mother's sister Joan Hales married John J Murphy in Dec quarter of 1939. They had three sons born in the UK and then emigrated to Canada where three further children were born. The eldest of the native Canadians, Marjorie, is visiting later this year and apart from seeking out where her parents lived in the UK would like to find the grave of her brother Patrick. Patrick J Murphey was born in December quarter 1941 and died in the same quarter. His death is registered as Loughborough 7a 261. ( His birth is Loughborough 7a 304.) His two UK born brothers were born in Derbyshire and that is where we though he was born so Loughborough is a bit of a surprise. One thing I realized as soon as I started to think about this is that the death/burial can be associated with three different places; The location of actual death, e.g. at home or in hospital' The location of the funeral service - my uncle was RC and my aunt a staunch convert so I would expect this to be a local RC church The place of burial, Church yard or cemetery. Add to this the fact that Loughborough RD seems to cover a wide geographical area including Ashby de la Zouch Barrow upon Soar Billesdon Blaby Leicester Lutterworth Market Bosworth Melton Mowbray Hinckley Loughborough, potentially I have a large area to search. Can anyone advise me how much the RD codes Loughborough 7a 304 and 7a 261 can be used to narrow down the area of research. Also are RC churches likely to have their own grave yards of am I looking at municipal cemeteries? Thanks in advance John John E Titterton BSc(Eng) MA FSA Ashbourne DE6 1SH www.titterton.org.uk

Hi John, As you are quoting R.D.s for the Murphy births and death do you have copies of the original certificates giving dates and addresses? Think you need to know how long Patrick lived, whether just a few minutes or over a month, to establish who was responsible for his burial. Whether it was a pauper burial or the parents had time for him to be baptized and have a family funeral and burial in his own grave. From Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds. E-Mail: [email protected] GOONS Mem. No. 1757 Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock, Moist/Moyst. ----- Original Message ----- From: "john titterton via" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 8:52 PM Subject: [G] Finding a grave, Loughborough RD 1941 > Hi > > Can anyone suggest some lines of enquiry I can follow to try and find the > burial place of a baby who was my first cousin? (He died before I was > born.) My mother's sister Joan Hales married John J Murphy in Dec quarter > of 1939. They had three sons born in the UK and then emigrated to Canada > where three further children were born. The eldest of the native > Canadians, > Marjorie, is visiting later this year and apart from seeking out where her > parents lived in the UK would like to find the grave of her brother > Patrick. > > Patrick J Murphey was born in December quarter 1941 and died in the same > quarter. His death is registered as Loughborough 7a 261. ( His birth is > Loughborough 7a 304.) His two UK born brothers were born in Derbyshire > and > that is where we though he was born so Loughborough is a bit of a > surprise. > > One thing I realized as soon as I started to think about this is that the > death/burial can be associated with three different places; > > The location of actual death, e.g. at home or in hospital' > The location of the funeral service - my uncle was RC and my aunt a > staunch > convert so I would expect this to be a local RC church > The place of burial, Church yard or cemetery. > > Add to this the fact that Loughborough RD seems to cover a wide > geographical area including Ashby de la Zouch Barrow upon Soar Billesdon > Blaby Leicester Lutterworth Market Bosworth Melton Mowbray Hinckley > Loughborough, potentially I have a large area to search. > > Can anyone advise me how much the RD codes Loughborough 7a 304 and 7a 261 > can be used to narrow down the area of research. Also are RC churches > likely to have their own grave yards of am I looking at municipal > cemeteries? > > > Thanks in advance > > John > > > John E Titterton BSc(Eng) MA FSA > Ashbourne > DE6 1SH > > www.titterton.org.uk > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

> From: john titterton via > Sent: 11 June 2016 20:52 > > Can anyone suggest some lines of enquiry I can follow to try and find > the burial place of a baby who was my first cousin? ... > Patrick J Murphey was born in December quarter 1941 and died in the same > quarter. His death is registered as Loughborough 7a 261. ( His birth > is Loughborough 7a 304.) ... > Can anyone advise me how much the RD codes Loughborough 7a 304 and 7a > 261 can be used to narrow down the area of research. You can probably determine which of the sub-districts of Loughborough RD these references belong to. I've successfully done this for a 1942 birth. The basic approach is the same as my one for identifying churches from the marriage index. The slides for my presentation last year at the Guild seminar in Preston give details and are here: http://one-name.org/members/seminars/2015_May_Preston/Where%20Did%20They%20Marry%20Presentation%20Slides.pdf For births the GRO records for a registration district are made up of a set of consecutive pages for each sub-district (SD). At the end of the run of SD pages for a quarter there is often (not always!) a page which is only partially filled, or an even-numbered page with no entries. So if you download the index entries for the district and quarter from FreeBMD you can sort them and find the gaps in the sequence of page numbers, just as you can for marriages. Then you need to identify which SD corresponds to the block of pages containing the entry of interest. SDs are listed on Genuki: http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/ but http://visionofbritain.org.uk/ often gives more chronological detail of their creation and cessation. For this period I have found GenesReunited to be a good source of birth places. I take the names at the beginning of the block and search for them on GR using name and year. The results usually include birthplaces, and as long as the name is not very commo! n it is usually easy to identify whether there is a match. Five or ten results are usually enough to identify the SD. I repeat the process working back from the end of the block just to be sure I have not got two SDs without a gap between them. The problem cases are those where the place of birth is the same as the RD name. These are not informative because many entries on GR are derived from the GRO indexes. So ignore any GR entries with birthplace of Loughborough, and use the entries with more specific village, street or hospital names. The structure of the death indexes is the same, but I don't know of a similarly large dataset that can be used to identify the SD. Perhaps DeceasedOnline has covered enough municipal cemeteries that a pattern could emerge using a similar strategy, but as you say place of death and place of burial are not necessarily in the same SD. DeceasedOnline might be useful to eliminate some cemeteries. Best wishes Andrew -- Andrew Millard - [email protected] Chair, Trustees of Genuki: www.genuki.org.uk Maintainer, Genuki Middx + London: www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/MDX/ + ../LND/ Academic Co-ordinator, Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Bodimeade one-name study: community.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/Bodimeade/ My genealogy: community.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/