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    1. [G] Isn't genealogy fun?
    2. Adrian Hanwell via

    3. Dear John, The song John Peel brings back a lot of pleasant childhood memories. D'ye ken John Peel with his coat so gay, D'ye ken John Peel at the break of day, D'ye ken John Peel who is far away, With his hounds and his horn in the morning. For the sound of his horn brought me from my bed And the cry of his hounds which he oft times led, Peel's 'view hullo' would awaken the dead Or the fox from his lair in the morning. Yes I ken John Peel and Ruby too Ranter and Ringwood and Bellman and True, >From a find to a check, from a check to a view >From a view to a death in the morning Then here's to John Peel with my heart and soul Let's drink to his health, let's finish the bowl, We'll follow John Peel through fair and through foul If we want a good hunt in the morning. Best Wishes from Adrian. ---------- ********** ---------- Adrian Hanwell. [email protected] Tel: 01723 341498. ---------- ********** ---------- -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 08 April 2016 20:01 To: [email protected] Subject: GOONS Digest, Vol 11, Issue 161 Today's Topics: 5. Isn't genealogy fun (John P Laws) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 5 -----Original Message----- Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 13:49:16 +0100 From: "John P Laws" <[email protected]> Subject: Isn't genealogy fun To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Been puzzling out my wife's family for years and have finally established that her Great Grand Aunt married the Great Grandson of the celebrated Cumberland huntsman John Peel, related by his daughters Leticia and Nancy John P Laws Registrar Laws Family Register Putting Flesh on the Bones of History www.lawsandlawes.blogspot.co.uk ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 20:00:57 +0100 From: Derek Kain <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [G] Isn't genealogy fun To: John P Laws <[email protected]>, goons <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Who is John Peel? On 8 April 2016 at 13:49, John P Laws via <[email protected]> wrote: > Been puzzling out my wife's family for years and have finally established > that her Great Grand Aunt married the Great Grandson of the celebrated > Cumberland huntsman John Peel, related by his daughters Leticia and Nancy > > John P Laws > > Registrar > Laws Family Register > Putting Flesh on the Bones of History > > www.lawsandlawes.blogspot.co.uk > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- One-name Study of KAIN and variants. GOONS member 5992 ------------------------------ To contact the GOONS list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the GOONS mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of GOONS Digest, Vol 11, Issue 161 **************************************

    04/08/2016 03:56:39
    1. Re: [G] Isn't genealogy fun?
    2. John P Laws via

    3. Yes the very one, my wife's Great-Grandfather came from the Cumberland Fells I traced them back in Torpenhow and the surrounding villages to 1682 and with the John Peel link worthy of a WDYTYA show I traced her Great-Grandmothers line back to the same period in SW Scotland, Kirkcudbright, Dalry & Newton Stewert. Whereas my LAWS line is no further back, in spite of a 43,000 record ONS than I was when I started over 40 years ago. John P Laws Registrar Laws Family Register Putting Flesh on the Bones of History www.lawsandlawes.blogspot.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Adrian Hanwell via Sent: 8 April, 2016 9:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [G] Isn't genealogy fun? Dear John, The song John Peel brings back a lot of pleasant childhood memories. D'ye ken John Peel with his coat so gay, D'ye ken John Peel at the break of day, D'ye ken John Peel who is far away, With his hounds and his horn in the morning. For the sound of his horn brought me from my bed And the cry of his hounds which he oft times led, Peel's 'view hullo' would awaken the dead Or the fox from his lair in the morning. Yes I ken John Peel and Ruby too Ranter and Ringwood and Bellman and True, >From a find to a check, from a check to a view From a view to a death >in the morning Then here's to John Peel with my heart and soul Let's drink to his health, let's finish the bowl, We'll follow John Peel through fair and through foul If we want a good hunt in the morning. Best Wishes from Adrian. ---------- ********** ---------- Adrian Hanwell. [email protected] Tel: 01723 341498. ---------- ********** ---------- -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 08 April 2016 20:01 To: [email protected] Subject: GOONS Digest, Vol 11, Issue 161 Today's Topics: 5. Isn't genealogy fun (John P Laws) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 5 -----Original Message----- Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 13:49:16 +0100 From: "John P Laws" <[email protected]> Subject: Isn't genealogy fun To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Been puzzling out my wife's family for years and have finally established that her Great Grand Aunt married the Great Grandson of the celebrated Cumberland huntsman John Peel, related by his daughters Leticia and Nancy John P Laws Registrar Laws Family Register Putting Flesh on the Bones of History www.lawsandlawes.blogspot.co.uk ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 20:00:57 +0100 From: Derek Kain <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [G] Isn't genealogy fun To: John P Laws <[email protected]>, goons <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Who is John Peel? On 8 April 2016 at 13:49, John P Laws via <[email protected]> wrote: > Been puzzling out my wife's family for years and have finally > established that her Great Grand Aunt married the Great Grandson of > the celebrated Cumberland huntsman John Peel, related by his daughters > Leticia and Nancy > > John P Laws > > Registrar > Laws Family Register > Putting Flesh on the Bones of History > > www.lawsandlawes.blogspot.co.uk > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- One-name Study of KAIN and variants. GOONS member 5992 ------------------------------ To contact the GOONS list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the GOONS mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of GOONS Digest, Vol 11, Issue 161 ************************************** _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    04/08/2016 07:28:05
    1. [G] Isn't genealogy fun?
    2. Adrian Hanwell via

    3. Resent, as my original response was too long. Dear John and interested Goons members, I started studying and researching my family tree in my teenage years. It was 1965 when my Father died and I took up his research shortly after that. My problem is similar to yours. I have taken my own branch of the family no further back, other than find my Great Great Grandfather - John Hanwell's Christening record in the Bishops Transcripts of Holy Trinity Church, Hull. Nothing is recorded in the actual church record! From the Christening Record, I found that John's Father was also called John, which seemed like a major step forward at the time. My Father had already discovered from an apprenticeship certificate of James Hanwell (brother of John - my Great Great Grandfather) that James' Mother was called Hannah. The ASSUMPTION being that Hannah was the Mother of both. There the trail ends, which was why I began my one-name-study of ALL branches of the HANWELL family. It is clear that my Great Great Great Grandfather (John Hanwell senior) was a stray from another county, or from the Denby Dale area of the West Riding (where there were Hanwells at that time). There was a family story that my Great Great Grandfather's parents were evicted from their home when Blenheim Palace was built and its estate landscaped, so they emigrated to East Yorkshire, but I cannot find any confirmation for that. All of my known direct line HANWELL ancestors including John Hanwell and his Brother James Hanwell were born in Hull and all (including me) were christened at Holy Trinity Church in Hull, but there were no Hanwells whatever (except one stray Sailor 150 years earlier) to be found in Hull, or anywhere in the East Riding of Yorkshire. I have an oil painting and the handwritten 1908 diary of John Hanwell (born 1782, died 1854) and he mentioned Cousin ROOM who lived at Ball Hall, Storwood in the East Riding of Yorkshire, Aunt RILEY and Uncle BROCKLEBANK who he met in Hull. I have therefore searched for HANWELL, ROOM, RILEY and BROCKLEBANK connections, all to no avail. As John was a Methodist minister in the first year of his ministry in 1806, when he began his diary, I do wonder if "Cousin", "Aunt" and "Uncle" might have been friendship titles, rather like the title "Brother" is with Monks? Like you, I now have a one-name study containing thousands of records, but not one which gives me a likely parentage for my Great Great Grandfather John Hanwell and not one with a ROOM, RILEY or BROCKLEBANK connection. I have one Hannah Rusby marriage to a John Hanwell, but it has children with dates which are interspaced with my John and my James and which are all in Denby Dale, in the West Riding of Yorkshire, near Penistone, where their marriage took place. There would be no likely reason for children of one family to be alternately born at such a distance from each other. Best Wishes from Adrian. ---------- ********** ---------- Adrian Hanwell. [email protected] Tel: 01723 341498. ---------- ********** ---------- -----Original Message----- From: John P Laws [[email protected]] Sent: 09 April 2016 01:28 To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Isn't genealogy fun? Yes the very one (John Peel). My wife's Great-Grandfather came from the Cumberland Fells I traced them back in Torpenhow and the surrounding villages to 1682 and with the John Peel link worthy of a WDYTYA show I traced her Great-Grandmothers line back to the same period in SW Scotland, Kirkcudbright, Dalry & Newton Stewert. Whereas my LAWS line is no further back, in spite of a 43,000 record ONS than I was when I started over 40 years ago. John P Laws -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] On Behalf Of Adrian Hanwell Sent: 8 April, 2016 9:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Isn't genealogy fun? Dear John, The song John Peel brings back a lot of pleasant childhood memories. Best Wishes from Adrian. -----Original Message----- Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 13:49:16 +0100 From: "John P Laws" <[email protected]> Subject: Isn't genealogy fun To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Been puzzling out my wife's family for years and have finally established that her Great Grand Aunt married the Great Grandson of the celebrated Cumberland huntsman John Peel, related by his daughters Leticia and Nancy John P Laws

    04/19/2016 06:24:37
    1. Re: [G] Isn't genealogy fun?
    2. Geoff Chew via

    3. A scrap book I have (from my Cumberland grandmother and her family) has a nice newspaper cutting on the song, written originally in Cumberland dialect by John Woodcock Graves - there is a facsimile of a fair copy Graves made in 1881 at the age of 94. (Peel himself died aged 77 in 1854.) One of the verses understandably gets omitted these days: Did ye ken that bitch wheas tongue was death, Did ken her sons of peirless faith? Did [ken] that a fox wid his last breath Curst them o as he died in a mwornin? Geoff On 8 April 2016 at 21:56, Adrian Hanwell via <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear John, > The song John Peel brings back a lot of pleasant childhood > memories. > > D'ye ken John Peel with his coat so gay, > D'ye ken John Peel at the break of day, > D'ye ken John Peel who is far away, > With his hounds and his horn in the morning. > > For the sound of his horn brought me from my bed > And the cry of his hounds which he oft times led, > Peel's 'view hullo' would awaken the dead > Or the fox from his lair in the morning. > > Yes I ken John Peel and Ruby too > Ranter and Ringwood and Bellman and True, > >From a find to a check, from a check to a view > >From a view to a death in the morning > > Then here's to John Peel with my heart and soul > Let's drink to his health, let's finish the bowl, > We'll follow John Peel through fair and through foul > If we want a good hunt in the morning. > > Best Wishes from Adrian. > ---------- ********** ---------- > Adrian Hanwell. > [email protected] > Tel: 01723 341498. > ---------- ********** ---------- > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: 08 April 2016 20:01 > To: [email protected] > Subject: GOONS Digest, Vol 11, Issue 161 > > Today's Topics: > > 5. Isn't genealogy fun (John P Laws) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 5 > > -----Original Message----- > Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 13:49:16 +0100 > From: "John P Laws" <[email protected]> > Subject: Isn't genealogy fun > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Been puzzling out my wife's family for years and have finally established > that her Great Grand Aunt married the Great Grandson of the celebrated > Cumberland huntsman John Peel, related by his daughters Leticia and Nancy > John P Laws > Registrar > Laws Family Register > Putting Flesh on the Bones of History > > www.lawsandlawes.blogspot.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 20:00:57 +0100 > From: Derek Kain <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [G] Isn't genealogy fun > To: John P Laws <[email protected]>, goons > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]om> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Who is John Peel? > > On 8 April 2016 at 13:49, John P Laws via <[email protected]> wrote: >> Been puzzling out my wife's family for years and have finally established >> that her Great Grand Aunt married the Great Grandson of the celebrated >> Cumberland huntsman John Peel, related by his daughters Leticia and Nancy >> >> John P Laws >> >> Registrar >> Laws Family Register >> Putting Flesh on the Bones of History >> >> www.lawsandlawes.blogspot.co.uk >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > One-name Study of KAIN and variants. > GOONS member 5992 > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the GOONS list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the GOONS mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of GOONS Digest, Vol 11, Issue 161 > ************************************** > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Geoff Chew [email protected]

    04/09/2016 06:47:49
    1. [G] Isn't genealogy fun? - John Peel song.
    2. Adrian Hanwell via

    3. Dear Geoff, John and interested Goons members, John Peel was born in 1776 or 1777 at Park End, near Caldbeck in Cumberland. In 1797 he married Mary White who inherited property at Ruthwaite (near Ireby). This left them comfortably off and allowed John to spend time hunting. He died in 1854, most likely as a result of a fall during a hunt and he is buried in the churchyard of St Kentigern's Church, Caldbeck. As you say, the words of the song were written in the Cumbrian dialect by Peel's friend John Woodcock Graves (1795-1886). They were later rewritten by George Coward who was a Carlisle bookseller. His version was approved by Graves for a book of Cumberland songs titled Songs and Ballads of Cumberland which was published in 1866 and I believe that you have quoted a verse from Coward's version of the song. Best Wishes from Adrian. ---------- ********** ---------- Adrian Hanwell. [email protected] Tel: 01723 341498. ---------- ********** ---------- -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Chew [[email protected]] Sent: 09 April 2016 12:48 To: a.hanwe[email protected]; GOONS Subject: Isn't genealogy fun? - John Peel song. A scrap book I have (from my Cumberland grandmother and her family) has a nice newspaper cutting on the song, written originally in Cumberland dialect by John Woodcock Graves - there is a facsimile of a fair copy Graves made in 1881 at the age of 94. (Peel himself died aged 77 in 1854.) One of the verses understandably gets omitted these days: Did ye ken that bitch wheas tongue was death, Did ken her sons of peirless faith? Did [ken] that a fox wid his last breath Curst them o as he died in a mwornin? Geoff -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Hanwell [[email protected]] Sent: 08 April 2016 21:57 To: '[email protected]' Subject: Isn't genealogy fun? - John Peel song. Dear John, The song John Peel brings back a lot of pleasant childhood memories. D'ye ken John Peel with his coat so gay, D'ye ken John Peel at the break of day, D'ye ken John Peel who is far away, With his hounds and his horn in the morning. For the sound of his horn brought me from my bed And the cry of his hounds which he oft times led, Peel's 'view hullo' would awaken the dead Or the fox from his lair in the morning. Yes I ken John Peel and Ruby too Ranter and Ringwood and Bellman and True, >From a find to a check, from a check to a view >From a view to a death in the morning Then here's to John Peel with my heart and soul Let's drink to his health, let's finish the bowl, We'll follow John Peel through fair and through foul If we want a good hunt in the morning. Best Wishes from Adrian. ---------- ********** ---------- Adrian Hanwell. [email protected] Tel: 01723 341498. ---------- ********** ---------- -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 08 April 2016 20:01 To: [email protected] Subject: GOONS Digest, Vol 11, Issue 161 Today's Topics: 5. Isn't genealogy fun (John P Laws) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 5 -----Original Message----- Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 13:49:16 +0100 From: "John P Laws" <[email protected]> Subject: Isn't genealogy fun To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Been puzzling out my wife's family for years and have finally established that her Great Grand Aunt married the Great Grandson of the celebrated Cumberland huntsman John Peel, related by his daughters Leticia and Nancy John P Laws Registrar Laws Family Register Putting Flesh on the Bones of History www.lawsandlawes.blogspot.co.uk

    04/09/2016 07:59:24