I'm struggling to sort out problems such as duplicates and relationships with my ancient line of Dunbars. Not very exciting, but once in a while something raises a smile. For instance - Sir William Rowe Dunbar (1776-1841) married his cousin Jacobina Anne Copeland (1776-1807) Checked with Relationship Calculator, search within 250 generations Husband 2nd cousin 1st cousin 3 removed, then 37 relaionships later 2nd cousin 246 times removed. I think I'll stick with husband and second cousin! Pat Dunbar

I did a calculation some time ago. Assume that all of your ancestors are unique, figure three generations per century, and calculate the number of ancestors you would have in one generation by about the year 1,000. You will find it approximately equals the estimated population of Europe at that time, keeping in mind that the population included multiple generations, not all of whom would have children. I find that I am a descendant of, among others, Isabelle de Vermandois, as well as from both of her husbands and six of their children. General opinion of professional genealogists is that we are all most likely descendants of Charlemagne. Peter Fifield Wells (studying Fifield and variants.) -----Original Message----- From: Patrick R. L. Dunbar via Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 07:33 To: GOONS LIST Subject: [G] Over-egged Cousins I'm struggling to sort out problems such as duplicates and relationships with my ancient line of Dunbars. Not very exciting, but once in a while something raises a smile. For instance - Sir William Rowe Dunbar (1776-1841) married his cousin Jacobina Anne Copeland (1776-1807) Checked with Relationship Calculator, search within 250 generations Husband 2nd cousin 1st cousin 3 removed, then 37 relaionships later 2nd cousin 246 times removed. I think I'll stick with husband and second cousin! Pat Dunbar _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think I read somewhere (?) that a vast majority of people are descended from Genghis Khan. Seems both he and Charlemagne are responsible for the population of the world and they called Queen Victoria grandmother of Europe. I think she has some way to go to top either! Rose Norton Bierton 6008 -----Original Message----- From: Peter & Barbara via Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2016 2:05 PM To: Patrick R. L. Dunbar ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [G] Over-egged Cousins I did a calculation some time ago. Assume that all of your ancestors are unique, figure three generations per century, and calculate the number of ancestors you would have in one generation by about the year 1,000. You will find it approximately equals the estimated population of Europe at that time, keeping in mind that the population included multiple generations, not all of whom would have children. I find that I am a descendant of, among others, Isabelle de Vermandois, as well as from both of her husbands and six of their children. General opinion of professional genealogists is that we are all most likely descendants of Charlemagne. Peter Fifield Wells (studying Fifield and variants.) -----Original Message----- From: Patrick R. L. Dunbar via Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 07:33 To: GOONS LIST Subject: [G] Over-egged Cousins I'm struggling to sort out problems such as duplicates and relationships with my ancient line of Dunbars. Not very exciting, but once in a while something raises a smile. For instance - Sir William Rowe Dunbar (1776-1841) married his cousin Jacobina Anne Copeland (1776-1807) Checked with Relationship Calculator, search within 250 generations Husband 2nd cousin 1st cousin 3 removed, then 37 relaionships later 2nd cousin 246 times removed. I think I'll stick with husband and second cousin! Pat Dunbar _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I'm trying to research an article in the Morning Post 1810's having seen an extract printed decades ago, maybe in Society of Genealogists Journal. The original gives far more information: 15 Aug. 1817. Says the wife of Edward Rigby, M.D. of Norwich had quadruplets of 3 sons & a daughter. Previously he had eight children the two eldest being twins and he is a great-grandfather; at one birth three great-uncles and a great-aunt being the relationship between the above and infant son of Mr. John Bawtree, Junior of Colchester. Goes on to say that Norwich will give 'a piece of plate value 25 guineas' to the couple with the names of the babies inscribed thereon. Finally it relates the deaths of all four babies within a few months of birth. Elsewhere I found Dr. Edward Rigby died 1821 in his 74th year, having married twice and left ten children. Trying to trace the relationship back from a John Bawtree of Colchester to Edward Rigby of Norwich I found a son also born 1817 to Rev. John Bawtree who married 1816 at Colney, Norfolk to Mary Postle. She was born at Colney, Norfolk 1796 to Jehosaphat Postle and Sarah nee Rigby, singlewoman. They had married 1792 at Norwich, Norfolk where an Ipswich newspaper announcement said 'Miss Rigby, daughter of Edward Rigby, Esq.' so I was on the right track. The quadruplets were baptized to Edward Rigby and Ann, she being Miss Palgrave who had married Edward Rigby in October 1803 at Coltishall, Norfolk which produced twins in 1804 then four single births before the quads in 1817. No sign of Sarah Rigby who I've vaguely estimated to have been born about 1771. I've not been able to find an original image of the Edward Rigby/Ann Palgrave marriage to verify he was widowed by October 1803. Must assume that Sarah Rigby was from an earlier marriage, even though the article says Edward's first children were twins they appear to have been born to his second wife. Edward Rigby's first marriage appears to be to Sarah Dyball in 1769 at Norwich with Sarah being buried April 1803 aged 69 so she would have been about 35 when she married Edward aged about 21. I have only found one child, Mary, bapt. from this marriage in 1773 at Norwich, still no Sarah Rigby. I've not found that Edward Rigby left a will - if he mentioned his ten living children by name to include Sarah as Postle, that would be alternative good evidence of the newspaper article being correct. This is getting rather far away from my Bawtree one-name study but I would rather like to prove the newspaper article's supposed connection between the Bawtrees and Rigbys - via Postles - just need a baptism of Sarah Rigby about 1771 to Edward & Sarah :>) From Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds. E-Mail: [email protected] GOONS Mem. No. 1757 Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock, Moist/Moyst. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick R. L. Dunbar via" <[email protected]> To: "GOONS LIST" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2016 12:33 PM Subject: [G] Over-egged Cousins > I'm struggling to sort out problems such as duplicates and relationships > with my ancient line of Dunbars. Not very exciting, but once in a while > something raises a smile. For instance - > > Sir William Rowe Dunbar (1776-1841) married his cousin Jacobina Anne > Copeland (1776-1807) > > Checked with Relationship Calculator, search within 250 generations > > Husband > 2nd cousin > 1st cousin 3 removed, then 37 relaionships later > 2nd cousin 246 times removed. > > I think I'll stick with husband and second cousin! > > Pat Dunbar

Hi, I'm trying to research an article in the Morning Post 1810's having seen an extract printed decades ago, maybe in Society of Genealogists Journal. The original gives far more information: 15 Aug. 1817. Says the wife of Edward Rigby, M.D. of Norwich had quadruplets of 3 sons & a daughter. Previously he had eight children the two eldest being twins and he is a great-grandfather; at one birth three great-uncles and a great-aunt being the relationship between the above and infant son of Mr. John Bawtree, Junior of Colchester. Goes on to say that Norwich will give 'a piece of plate value 25 guineas' to the couple with the names of the babies inscribed thereon. Finally it relates the deaths of all four babies within a few months of birth. Elsewhere I found Dr. Edward Rigby died 1821 in his 74th year, having married twice and left ten children. Trying to trace the relationship back from a John Bawtree of Colchester to Edward Rigby of Norwich I found a son also born 1817 to Rev. John Bawtree who married 1816 at Colney, Norfolk to Mary Postle. She was born at Colney, Norfolk 1796 to Jehosaphat Postle and Sarah nee Rigby, singlewoman. They had married 1792 at Norwich, Norfolk where an Ipswich newspaper announcement said 'Miss Rigby, daughter of Edward Rigby, Esq.' so I was on the right track. The quadruplets were baptized to Edward Rigby and Ann, she being Miss Palgrave who had married Edward Rigby in October 1803 at Coltishall, Norfolk which produced twins in 1804 then four single births before the quads in 1817. No sign of Sarah Rigby who I've vaguely estimated to have been born about 1771. I've not been able to find an original image of the Edward Rigby/Ann Palgrave marriage to verify he was widowed by October 1803. Must assume that Sarah Rigby was from an earlier marriage, even though the article says Edward's first children were twins they appear to have been born to his second wife. Edward Rigby's first marriage appears to be to Sarah Dyball in 1769 at Norwich with Sarah being buried April 1803 aged 69 so she would have been about 35 when she married Edward aged about 21. I have only found one child, Mary, bapt. from this marriage in 1773 at Norwich, still no Sarah Rigby. I've not found that Edward Rigby left a will - if he mentioned his ten living children by name to include Sarah as Postle, that would be alternative good evidence of the newspaper article being correct. This is getting rather far away from my Bawtree one-name study but I would rather like to prove the newspaper article's supposed connection between the Bawtrees and Rigbys - via Postles - just need a baptism of Sarah Rigby about 1771 to Edward & Sarah :>) From Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds. E-Mail: [email protected] GOONS Mem. No. 1757 Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock, Moist/Moyst. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick R. L. Dunbar via" <[email protected]> To: "GOONS LIST" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2016 12:33 PM Subject: [G] Over-egged Cousins > I'm struggling to sort out problems such as duplicates and relationships > with my ancient line of Dunbars. Not very exciting, but once in a while > something raises a smile. For instance - > > Sir William Rowe Dunbar (1776-1841) married his cousin Jacobina Anne > Copeland (1776-1807) > > Checked with Relationship Calculator, search within 250 generations > > Husband > 2nd cousin > 1st cousin 3 removed, then 37 relaionships later > 2nd cousin 246 times removed. > > I think I'll stick with husband and second cousin! > > Pat Dunbar