Hi Peter, Many thanks for the update. Just for clarity, I presume you are suggesting that not only should we submit our 'own' marriages, but also those that can be determined by IMP (Inferred Marriage Partners) on the same page? Ken On 4 April 2016 at 15:56, Peter Copsey via <[email protected]> wrote: > 1. IMPs (Inferred Marriage Partners) are explained on p13 of the Jan -March > 2016 Journal within the article about the future of the GMI written by Cliff > Kemball and Anne Shankland. (not the latest Journal, now being received). > > 2. The article explains the benefit of including marriages with IMPs in the > GMI. In the example given at the top of the second column, if I was > researching FROST, I would be very pleased to find this entry in the GMI - > it will give me the name of the spouse and possibly the church. > > 3. As I understand it, all marriages are now searchable, even the ones you > have submitted yourself for your own study. This had caused confusion and > frustration in the past. A big improvement - thanks Cliff and Anne. > > 4. The information will come from members who are able to work out IMPs for > the other marriage on the same GRO page as their one-name marriage. This > means that in about 80% of the marriages after 1851 you will be able to > determine the IMPs of the other marriage on that GRO page. The other 20% > are accounted for by those pages that only hold one marriage or where there > is a GRO or FreeBMD error (and list 3 or 5 names). For marriages before > 1852, IMP is a less-useful tool as pages often contain more than two > marriages. I am hoping that members will spend some time discovering and > listing the IMPs where they can, and sending them to the Marriage Index > Coordinator. You need to be familiar with FreeBMD. > > Care will need to be taken about naming the establishment where the marriage > took place. For an Anglican marriage, the IMP marriage would have taken > place at the same Anglican church as the known marriage. For a non-anglican > marriage, the place of the IMP marriage cannot be identified (except for > marriages conducted by an "Authorised Person"). > > The date of the IMP marriage will not be known, except to say it will be in > the same quarter as the known marriage. > > 5. For Marriage Challenge, if the submitter has been able to find a > marriage already listed in the GMI, albeit with IMP, it may well identify > the church; obviously a help to the Challenger in finding it in the > registers. > > Regarding 3 or 5 names on one GRO page, always look at the actual GRO entry > (click on the spectacles on FreeBMD). I estimate that over half are FreeBMD > errors rather than GRO errors. > > Peter Copsey > Member 1522 > Marriage Challenge Coordinator > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Fowler via > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 7:06 AM > To: Goons Forum > Subject: [G] Members Spot Quiz - IMP on the GMI MM ??? Answers Provided > > > > > > Hi > > There has been zero discussion on this Forum about the IMP concept, > mentioned in the Mar-Jun Journal 2016. So I have knocked together a quick > quiz, for those that do not understand Inferred Marriage Partners. > > > 1. What are IMP marriages? > > > 2. What use are IMP marriages? > > > 3. Will they be searchable on the GMI? > > > 4. Where will the information come from? > > > 5. Can we made it easier for Marriage Challengers? > > > Before the answers, link to an even older article on the subject: > > http://www.one-name.org/members/journal/articles/vol11-9_Fowler.pdf > > > 1. A simple concept for marriages 1852-1911 where four names are listed, if > two are paired the remaining two can also be matched. > > > 2. GMI is the source of all information we know about marriages for new > members etc. The more information the better. > > > 3. Not yet but soon, I am advised - but all my IMPs are already submitted. > > > 4. From a detailed study of all Fowler marriages on the GMI, 90%+ currently > come from MCs & CPs. > > > 5 Yes Give them the information with your MC submission !!! > > > The Hungerford MC closes on the 9th April, to see my suggestion for editing > the standard submissions Excel: > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RTLPQUKaVn7wU-hpUp03CxNCVZBoVYPmFRjcbIoAxWw/edit#gid=1878539376 > > > As the meerkat says - "SIMPLE". > > > > > > Why the initiative for this needs to come from me ? - No Idea, any > support out there, on am I ploughing a lone furrough? > > > > Robert Fowler 5464 > > > > PS You can ask the Challenger for help with the odd 3 & 5 name > records on FreeBMD !! > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm just reading what it says in the article in the January Journal; that the Guild is initiating a project for inferred marriage partners for uploading into the GMI. It asks us to contact the Marriage Index Coordinator (Cliff Kemball) if we can assist. Perhaps there will be some guidance or proforma for submitting IMP marriages before the project gets fully underway. Peter Copsey Member 1522 -----Original Message----- From: Ken Toll Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 4:44 PM To: Peter Copsey ; Goons mailing list Cc: Robert Fowler Subject: Re: [G] Members Spot Quiz - IMP on the GMI MM ??? Answers Provided Hi Peter, Many thanks for the update. Just for clarity, I presume you are suggesting that not only should we submit our 'own' marriages, but also those that can be determined by IMP (Inferred Marriage Partners) on the same page? Ken On 4 April 2016 at 15:56, Peter Copsey via <[email protected]> wrote: > 1. IMPs (Inferred Marriage Partners) are explained on p13 of the > Jan -March > 2016 Journal within the article about the future of the GMI written by > Cliff > Kemball and Anne Shankland. (not the latest Journal, now being received). > > 2. The article explains the benefit of including marriages with IMPs in > the > GMI. In the example given at the top of the second column, if I was > researching FROST, I would be very pleased to find this entry in the GMI - > it will give me the name of the spouse and possibly the church. > > 3. As I understand it, all marriages are now searchable, even the ones > you > have submitted yourself for your own study. This had caused confusion and > frustration in the past. A big improvement - thanks Cliff and Anne. > > 4. The information will come from members who are able to work out IMPs > for > the other marriage on the same GRO page as their one-name marriage. This > means that in about 80% of the marriages after 1851 you will be able to > determine the IMPs of the other marriage on that GRO page. The other 20% > are accounted for by those pages that only hold one marriage or where > there > is a GRO or FreeBMD error (and list 3 or 5 names). For marriages before > 1852, IMP is a less-useful tool as pages often contain more than two > marriages. I am hoping that members will spend some time discovering and > listing the IMPs where they can, and sending them to the Marriage Index > Coordinator. You need to be familiar with FreeBMD. > > Care will need to be taken about naming the establishment where the > marriage > took place. For an Anglican marriage, the IMP marriage would have taken > place at the same Anglican church as the known marriage. For a > non-anglican > marriage, the place of the IMP marriage cannot be identified (except for > marriages conducted by an "Authorised Person"). > > The date of the IMP marriage will not be known, except to say it will be > in > the same quarter as the known marriage. > > 5. For Marriage Challenge, if the submitter has been able to find a > marriage already listed in the GMI, albeit with IMP, it may well identify > the church; obviously a help to the Challenger in finding it in the > registers. > > Regarding 3 or 5 names on one GRO page, always look at the actual GRO > entry > (click on the spectacles on FreeBMD). I estimate that over half are > FreeBMD > errors rather than GRO errors. > > Peter Copsey > Member 1522 > Marriage Challenge Coordinator > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Fowler via > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 7:06 AM > To: Goons Forum > Subject: [G] Members Spot Quiz - IMP on the GMI MM ??? Answers Provided > > > > > > Hi > > There has been zero discussion on this Forum about the IMP concept, > mentioned in the Mar-Jun Journal 2016. So I have knocked together a quick > quiz, for those that do not understand Inferred Marriage Partners. > > > 1. What are IMP marriages? > > > 2. What use are IMP marriages? > > > 3. Will they be searchable on the GMI? > > > 4. Where will the information come from? > > > 5. Can we made it easier for Marriage Challengers? > > > Before the answers, link to an even older article on the subject: > > http://www.one-name.org/members/journal/articles/vol11-9_Fowler.pdf > > > 1. A simple concept for marriages 1852-1911 where four names are listed, > if > two are paired the remaining two can also be matched. > > > 2. GMI is the source of all information we know about marriages for new > members etc. The more information the better. > > > 3. Not yet but soon, I am advised - but all my IMPs are already > submitted. > > > 4. From a detailed study of all Fowler marriages on the GMI, 90%+ > currently > come from MCs & CPs. > > > 5 Yes Give them the information with your MC submission !!! > > > The Hungerford MC closes on the 9th April, to see my suggestion for > editing > the standard submissions Excel: > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RTLPQUKaVn7wU-hpUp03CxNCVZBoVYPmFRjcbIoAxWw/edit#gid=1878539376 > > > As the meerkat says - "SIMPLE". > > > > > > Why the initiative for this needs to come from me ? - No Idea, any > support out there, on am I ploughing a lone furrough? > > > > Robert Fowler 5464 > > > > PS You can ask the Challenger for help with the odd 3 & 5 name > records on FreeBMD !! > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message