In 1861 Ancestry have transcribed the surname as HARGRAVE but on the image it looks more like HARGROVES (the 2nd vowel is different from the first). I would suggest Joseph's occupation in 1861 was hatter (there is a double T in the middle) not slater, this would fit with him being a hat maker in 1851. Alan Moorhouse 2307 Farmery ----Original message---- >From : peter.copsey@talktalk.net Date : 19/04/2017 - 08:52 (GMTDT) To : goons@rootsweb.com Subject : Re: [G] Hargraves/ Hodge help Correction - the mother's maiden name for the children quoted in the new GRO Index (on the GRO website) is ASKEW (not Agnew) Peter Copsey Member 1522 -----Original Message----- From: Peter Copsey Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 1:16 AM To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] Hargraves/ Hodge help I think this is the one: Joseph HARGROVES married Ann ASKEW on 24 March 1839 at St Dunstan & All Saints, Stepney. Their children were: Joseph, birth registered Q1 1846 St Mary Newington RD - died Q1 1846 St Mary Newington RD Ann, birth registered Q3 1847 St Mary Newington RD Joseph, birth registered Q4 1849 St George, Southwark RD John, birth registered Q2 1852 St Mary Newington RD. For all children, the GRO index states mother's maiden name as AGNEW Suggest that Ann ASKEW was baptised at St Dunstan's on 25 Dec 1814, born 10(?) June 1813, daughter of John and Sarah, John a boat builder. She would have been 47 in the 1861 census, not 45 as given. In the 1851 census, living at 14 Cross Street, Southwark (HO107/1557 fol 115) she was given as aged 36. Peter Copsey -----Original Message----- From: Susan Cater Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:47 PM To: GOONS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [G] Hargraves/ Hodge help Dear All, I am bashing my head against a very solid brick wall in a friend’s tree. I am trying to find a marriage between these two people and anything on their parents, etc. Joseph Hargraves born 9 Jun 1816, baptised 13 Apr 1817 at St. Leonard’s, Shoreditch. He is recorded as “Hargroves” and his parents are recorded as Robert and Susannah. I can’t find anything more on them. Joseph Hargraves died 1870 in London and was buried 11 Apr 1870 at Victoria Park Cemetery, Hackney. In the 1861 census Joseph is a slater living at 9 Ratcliff Square, Stepney. He is recorded as “Hargraves” and is living with his wife Ann and three children: Ann, Joseph and John. I haven’t found a birth record for Ann junior but Joseph and John are both recorded as born in St. Luke registration district in 1849 and 1850 respectively. Their mother’s maiden name is given as “Hodge”. There is an Ann Hodge born 27 Oct 1816 and baptised 7 Nov at the British Lying-In Hospital, Endell Street, Holborn. It was a non-conformist baptism but I don’t know what denomination. I cannot find any marriage between these two. I have tried all the variants of their names that I can think of and am currently stumped. I would be very grateful for any advice or suggestions. Thank you Susan Cater 4437