These are the only places where the GRO provides an up-to-date set of index microfiches each quarter. As they are no longer allowed to sell them I doubt you will find anything more up-to-date than those on Ancestry and FMP anywhere abroad. Sorry Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherlock Holmes" <grimason@kinect.co.nz> To: <goons@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [G] PDF Pilot phase 3 of the England & Wales certificate ordering system Hi, I note that the link re Q1 only has UK sites which are of no use to those outside the UK. I am sure that there must be other places outside the UK that hold sets of the England & Wales BMD's on Microfiche, it is a pity the the GRO site does not include these as known International sites. For example the Auckland Public Library does hold a set, however I am unsure as to if it is complete meaning up to 2016 with Births and Deaths plus Marriage to 2014. When I did look at these some years ago what they held was up to 2000 if memory serves me correctly. I note the GRO England & Wales Microfiche of BDM's does not show up in the online index for the Auckland Public Library.

John wrote: >>Have a look at <https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/most_customers_want_to_know.asp#FamilyHistory1> Then look at Q1. What is a GRO index reference, and where can I find it? Where it details the 7 places that hold the indexes on microfiche. No sure of the starting dates but certainly as far as 2016<< They are a full set, and all start at Sep 1837. The births and deaths are up to 2016, but that marriages, last time I was in Birmingham, were only up to 2014. Polly

Just hoped it might have gone electronic, instead of me having to trudge up to the Westminster Archives. Brian -----Original Message----- From: GOONS [mailto:goons-bounces+bps=norvic8.force9.co.uk@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Hanson Sent: 18 March 2017 06:41 To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] PDF Pilot phase 3 of the England & Wales certificate ordering system Brian Have a look at https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/most_customers_want_to_know. asp#FamilyHistory1 Then look at Q1. What is a GRO index reference, and where can I find it? Where it details the 7 places that hold the indexes on microfiche. No sure of the starting dates but certainly as far as 2016 Regards John Hanson, researcher, the Halsted Trust, http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk

Hi, Re the latest Trail. Reading between the lines I suspect long term wise the PDF trail as such may leed to a more semi permanent service, what I mean by semi permanent is, what is not digitized will become digitized as each one is ordered. Logically this indicates that what will in practice happen and is a logical progression is that any certificate that is not digitized will cost £8, however once it has been ordered it then becomes digitized and any subsequent order for the same certificate would then cost £6. This being the case long term wise this means all indexed BMD events will become digitized. The only downside will be if you happen to be the first one to order the certificate you would be paying £2 for the actual digitizing. Regards, David J Grimshaw (or is it Grimason?) Genealogical Researcher of the "Grimason" surname and variations of the "Grimason" surname World Wide. A One Name study registered with the Guild of One Name Studies (GOONS): 6138 formerly 2962 The "Sherlock Holmes" of this family according to some. On 18/03/2017 3:21 AM, Tim Treeby wrote: > The reason phase 1 was £6 and indexed is because that is the records > that had already been digitised. > The £8 is for those records that have not already been digitised. > > So assuming they roll it out as a full service after the Trials then you > will have up to 5 options. > > 1) Get Certificate in post as now cost £9.25 > 2) Priority Certificate in post as now cost £23.40 > 3) PDF of Birth or Death from digitised records (Births 1837-1934, > Deaths 1837-1957) cost £6 - Phase 1 Trial > 4) Priority PDF cost £45 - Phase 2 Trial > 5) PDF of Birth/Death/Marriage of non digitised records (Births > 1935-2006, Deaths 1958-2006, Marriages 1837-2010) Cost £8 - Phase 3 Trial > > So Phase 3 will still be cheaper than Certificate and also as emailed, > if live outside of UK, will get details quicker than if posted. > > Tim Treeby > GOONS : 7112 > > On 17/03/2017 14:04, michael@anstey-history.info wrote: >> >> Is it me? but I don't see this as a great forward step compared with >> status quo. >> >> Pdf fee is now £8 rather than the £6 in earlier phase and therefore >> only marginally cheaper that a full (legal) certificate. >> >> No new indexing has been created (perhaps supplying exact spouse) so >> need the current GRO indexes (FreeBMD etc) to provide the full reference. >> >> What have other members found? >> >> Michael Tedd (329) >> > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus >

Brian Have a look at https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/most_customers_want_to_know. asp#FamilyHistory1 Then look at Q1. What is a GRO index reference, and where can I find it? Where it details the 7 places that hold the indexes on microfiche. No sure of the starting dates but certainly as far as 2016 Regards John Hanson, researcher, the Halsted Trust, http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: GOONS [mailto:goons-bounces+john.hanson=one-name.org@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brian Swann Sent: 18 March 2017 06:05 To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] PDF Pilot phase 3 of the England & Wales certificate ordering system Can someone just clarify for me how you get to marriages happening between 2006 and 2010? I thought all electronic indexes being available stopped at 2006/7. And they are not available on the GRO website, that is for sure. Brian -----Original Message----- From: GOONS [mailto:goons-bounces+bps=norvic8.force9.co.uk@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Hanson Sent: 17 March 2017 22:49 To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] PDF Pilot phase 3 of the England & Wales certificate ordering system John If you were not offered the option then I would suspect that the certificate that you were trying to order did not fall within the range as mentioned in Wendy's original email - that is England and Wales records which are available as PDF's in pilot 3 include: Births: 1935-2006 Deaths: 1958-2006 Marriages: 1837-2010 Regards John Hanson, researcher, the Halsted Trust, http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk _____________________________________________ RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Brian I presume you have the details, from one of the places in the country that hold them? Paul 2627 On 18/3/17 06:04 AM, Brian Swann wrote: > Can someone just clarify for me how you get to marriages happening between 2006 and 2010? > > I thought all electronic indexes being available stopped at 2006/7. And they are not available on the GRO website, that is for sure. > > Brian > > -----Original Message----- > From: GOONS [mailto:goons-bounces+bps=norvic8.force9.co.uk@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Hanson > Sent: 17 March 2017 22:49 > To: goons@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [G] PDF Pilot phase 3 of the England & Wales certificate ordering system > > John > > If you were not offered the option then I would suspect that the certificate that you were trying to order did not fall within the range as mentioned in Wendy's original email - that is > > England and Wales records which are available as PDF's in pilot 3 include: > Births: 1935-2006 > Deaths: 1958-2006 > Marriages: 1837-2010 > > Regards > John Hanson, researcher, the Halsted Trust, http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? > http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can someone just clarify for me how you get to marriages happening between 2006 and 2010? I thought all electronic indexes being available stopped at 2006/7. And they are not available on the GRO website, that is for sure. Brian -----Original Message----- From: GOONS [mailto:goons-bounces+bps=norvic8.force9.co.uk@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Hanson Sent: 17 March 2017 22:49 To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] PDF Pilot phase 3 of the England & Wales certificate ordering system John If you were not offered the option then I would suspect that the certificate that you were trying to order did not fall within the range as mentioned in Wendy's original email - that is England and Wales records which are available as PDF's in pilot 3 include: Births: 1935-2006 Deaths: 1958-2006 Marriages: 1837-2010 Regards John Hanson, researcher, the Halsted Trust, http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk

All the marriage certs I want all fall in that date range so where is the problem On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 10:49 PM, John Hanson <john.hanson@one-name.org> wrote: > John > If you were not offered the option then I would suspect that the certificate that you were trying to order did not fall within the range as mentioned in Wendy's original email - that is > > England and Wales records which are available as PDF's in pilot 3 include: > Births: 1935-2006 > Deaths: 1958-2006 > Marriages: 1837-2010 > > Regards > John Hanson, researcher, the Halsted Trust, http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk > > -----Original Message----- > From: GOONS [mailto:goons-bounces+john.hanson=one-name.org@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Commins > Sent: 17 March 2017 19:58 > To: goons@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [G] PDF Pilot phase 3 of the England & Wales certificate ordering system > > Typical GRO .they have said that the PDF trial is in operation , but have not put any way of ordering them on line , when I asked this morning I was told that if you filled in the certificate form then you would be redirected to it. no it does not work , and they have shut the phone lines down all day, why do they not have someone who at least has working knowledge of how to check this out before it went live , we had the same problem on phase one > > On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Sherlock Holmes <grimason@kinect.co.nz> wrote: >> Hi, >> Re the latest Trail. >> Reading between the lines I suspect long term wise the PDF trail as >> such may leed to a more semi permanent service, what I mean by semi >> permanent is, what is not digitized will become digitized as each one is ordered. >> Logically this indicates that what will in practice happen and is a >> logical progression is that any certificate that is not digitized will >> cost £8, however once it has been ordered it then becomes digitized >> and any subsequent order for the same certificate would then cost £6. >> This being the case long term wise this means all indexed BMD events >> will become digitized. >> The only downside will be if you happen to be the first one to order >> the certificate you would be paying £2 for the actual digitizing. >> >> Regards, >> David J Grimshaw (or is it Grimason?) >> Genealogical Researcher of the "Grimason" surname and variations of >> the "Grimason" surname World Wide. >> A One Name study registered with the Guild of One Name Studies >> (GOONS): 6138 formerly 2962 The "Sherlock Holmes" of this family >> according to some. >> >> >> On 18/03/2017 3:21 AM, Tim Treeby wrote: >>> >>> The reason phase 1 was £6 and indexed is because that is the records >>> that had already been digitised. >>> The £8 is for those records that have not already been digitised. >>> >>> So assuming they roll it out as a full service after the Trials then >>> you will have up to 5 options. >>> >>> 1) Get Certificate in post as now cost £9.25 >>> 2) Priority Certificate in post as now cost £23.40 >>> 3) PDF of Birth or Death from digitised records (Births 1837-1934, >>> Deaths 1837-1957) cost £6 - Phase 1 Trial >>> 4) Priority PDF cost £45 - Phase 2 Trial >>> 5) PDF of Birth/Death/Marriage of non digitised records (Births >>> 1935-2006, Deaths 1958-2006, Marriages 1837-2010) Cost £8 - Phase 3 >>> Trial >>> >>> So Phase 3 will still be cheaper than Certificate and also as >>> emailed, if live outside of UK, will get details quicker than if posted. >>> >>> Tim Treeby >>> GOONS : 7112 >>> >>> On 17/03/2017 14:04, michael@anstey-history.info wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Is it me? but I don't see this as a great forward step compared with >>>> status quo. >>>> >>>> Pdf fee is now £8 rather than the £6 in earlier phase and therefore >>>> only marginally cheaper that a full (legal) certificate. >>>> >>>> No new indexing has been created (perhaps supplying exact spouse) so >>>> need the current GRO indexes (FreeBMD etc) to provide the full reference. >>>> >>>> What have other members found? >>>> >>>> Michael Tedd (329) >>>> >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >> >> >> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? >> http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? 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John If you were not offered the option then I would suspect that the certificate that you were trying to order did not fall within the range as mentioned in Wendy's original email - that is England and Wales records which are available as PDF's in pilot 3 include: Births: 1935-2006 Deaths: 1958-2006 Marriages: 1837-2010 Regards John Hanson, researcher, the Halsted Trust, http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: GOONS [mailto:goons-bounces+john.hanson=one-name.org@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Commins Sent: 17 March 2017 19:58 To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] PDF Pilot phase 3 of the England & Wales certificate ordering system Typical GRO .they have said that the PDF trial is in operation , but have not put any way of ordering them on line , when I asked this morning I was told that if you filled in the certificate form then you would be redirected to it. no it does not work , and they have shut the phone lines down all day, why do they not have someone who at least has working knowledge of how to check this out before it went live , we had the same problem on phase one On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Sherlock Holmes <grimason@kinect.co.nz> wrote: > Hi, > Re the latest Trail. > Reading between the lines I suspect long term wise the PDF trail as > such may leed to a more semi permanent service, what I mean by semi > permanent is, what is not digitized will become digitized as each one is ordered. > Logically this indicates that what will in practice happen and is a > logical progression is that any certificate that is not digitized will > cost £8, however once it has been ordered it then becomes digitized > and any subsequent order for the same certificate would then cost £6. > This being the case long term wise this means all indexed BMD events > will become digitized. > The only downside will be if you happen to be the first one to order > the certificate you would be paying £2 for the actual digitizing. > > Regards, > David J Grimshaw (or is it Grimason?) > Genealogical Researcher of the "Grimason" surname and variations of > the "Grimason" surname World Wide. > A One Name study registered with the Guild of One Name Studies > (GOONS): 6138 formerly 2962 The "Sherlock Holmes" of this family > according to some. > > > On 18/03/2017 3:21 AM, Tim Treeby wrote: >> >> The reason phase 1 was £6 and indexed is because that is the records >> that had already been digitised. >> The £8 is for those records that have not already been digitised. >> >> So assuming they roll it out as a full service after the Trials then >> you will have up to 5 options. >> >> 1) Get Certificate in post as now cost £9.25 >> 2) Priority Certificate in post as now cost £23.40 >> 3) PDF of Birth or Death from digitised records (Births 1837-1934, >> Deaths 1837-1957) cost £6 - Phase 1 Trial >> 4) Priority PDF cost £45 - Phase 2 Trial >> 5) PDF of Birth/Death/Marriage of non digitised records (Births >> 1935-2006, Deaths 1958-2006, Marriages 1837-2010) Cost £8 - Phase 3 >> Trial >> >> So Phase 3 will still be cheaper than Certificate and also as >> emailed, if live outside of UK, will get details quicker than if posted. >> >> Tim Treeby >> GOONS : 7112 >> >> On 17/03/2017 14:04, michael@anstey-history.info wrote: >>> >>> >>> Is it me? but I don't see this as a great forward step compared with >>> status quo. >>> >>> Pdf fee is now £8 rather than the £6 in earlier phase and therefore >>> only marginally cheaper that a full (legal) certificate. >>> >>> No new indexing has been created (perhaps supplying exact spouse) so >>> need the current GRO indexes (FreeBMD etc) to provide the full reference. >>> >>> What have other members found? >>> >>> Michael Tedd (329) >>> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? > http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I had no problem ordering one this morning - quite straight forward - once you've put the GRO reference details in you just check the service you want under "service options" choosing "standard PDF copy of the entry by email". ________________________________ From: GOONS <goons-bounces+karenhemmingham=hotmail.co.uk@rootsweb.com> on behalf of Polly Rubery <polly@rowberry.org> Sent: 17 March 2017 21:11:03 To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] PDF Pilot phase 3 of the England & Wales certificate ordering system I've just looked at the GRO website and the option (if it is within the *correct range of years for the event*) "Standard PDF copy of the entry by email" is given at the bottom of the normal ordering page, where you normally only have the choice of standard or priority etc. HTH Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Commins" <j.c.commins@gmail.com> To: <goons@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [G] PDF Pilot phase 3 of the England & Wales certificate ordering system Typical GRO .they have said that the PDF trial is in operation , but have not put any way of ordering them on line , when I asked this morning I was told that if you filled in the certificate form then you would be redirected to it. no it does not work , and they have shut the phone lines down all day, why do they not have someone who at least has working knowledge of how to check this out before it went live , we had the same problem on phase one _____________________________________________ RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've just looked at the GRO website and the option (if it is within the *correct range of years for the event*) "Standard PDF copy of the entry by email" is given at the bottom of the normal ordering page, where you normally only have the choice of standard or priority etc. HTH Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Commins" <j.c.commins@gmail.com> To: <goons@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [G] PDF Pilot phase 3 of the England & Wales certificate ordering system Typical GRO .they have said that the PDF trial is in operation , but have not put any way of ordering them on line , when I asked this morning I was told that if you filled in the certificate form then you would be redirected to it. no it does not work , and they have shut the phone lines down all day, why do they not have someone who at least has working knowledge of how to check this out before it went live , we had the same problem on phase one

Typical GRO .they have said that the PDF trial is in operation , but have not put any way of ordering them on line , when I asked this morning I was told that if you filled in the certificate form then you would be redirected to it. no it does not work , and they have shut the phone lines down all day, why do they not have someone who at least has working knowledge of how to check this out before it went live , we had the same problem on phase one On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Sherlock Holmes <grimason@kinect.co.nz> wrote: > Hi, > Re the latest Trail. > Reading between the lines I suspect long term wise the PDF trail as such may > leed to a more semi permanent service, what I mean by semi permanent is, > what is not digitized will become digitized as each one is ordered. > Logically this indicates that what will in practice happen and is a logical > progression is that any certificate that is not digitized will cost £8, > however once it has been ordered it then becomes digitized and any > subsequent order for the same certificate would then cost £6. > This being the case long term wise this means all indexed BMD events will > become digitized. > The only downside will be if you happen to be the first one to order the > certificate you would be paying £2 for the actual digitizing. > > Regards, > David J Grimshaw (or is it Grimason?) > Genealogical Researcher of the "Grimason" surname and variations of the > "Grimason" surname World Wide. > A One Name study registered with the Guild of One Name Studies (GOONS): 6138 > formerly 2962 > The "Sherlock Holmes" of this family according to some. > > > On 18/03/2017 3:21 AM, Tim Treeby wrote: >> >> The reason phase 1 was £6 and indexed is because that is the records >> that had already been digitised. >> The £8 is for those records that have not already been digitised. >> >> So assuming they roll it out as a full service after the Trials then you >> will have up to 5 options. >> >> 1) Get Certificate in post as now cost £9.25 >> 2) Priority Certificate in post as now cost £23.40 >> 3) PDF of Birth or Death from digitised records (Births 1837-1934, >> Deaths 1837-1957) cost £6 - Phase 1 Trial >> 4) Priority PDF cost £45 - Phase 2 Trial >> 5) PDF of Birth/Death/Marriage of non digitised records (Births >> 1935-2006, Deaths 1958-2006, Marriages 1837-2010) Cost £8 - Phase 3 Trial >> >> So Phase 3 will still be cheaper than Certificate and also as emailed, >> if live outside of UK, will get details quicker than if posted. >> >> Tim Treeby >> GOONS : 7112 >> >> On 17/03/2017 14:04, michael@anstey-history.info wrote: >>> >>> >>> Is it me? but I don't see this as a great forward step compared with >>> status quo. >>> >>> Pdf fee is now £8 rather than the £6 in earlier phase and therefore >>> only marginally cheaper that a full (legal) certificate. >>> >>> No new indexing has been created (perhaps supplying exact spouse) so >>> need the current GRO indexes (FreeBMD etc) to provide the full reference. >>> >>> What have other members found? >>> >>> Michael Tedd (329) >>> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? > http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

According to Phillimore, there are copies of the registers, 1539 - 1853 at the Society of Genealogists; it doesn't indicate where the originals are held Lesley -----Original Message----- From: Ros Dunning Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 4:04 PM To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: [G] Registers for Kensington St Mary Abbotts On Find My Past I have found a record of a marriage between one John Sullivan and Eleanor Leheay inKensington in July 1834. This comes from the West Middlesex Marriage Index I would like to find the original marriage records as the names of the witnesses may give some clues. I am assuming this entry refers to Kensington St Mary Abbotts. Does anyone know where the original records are kept? Also this odd spelling of Leheay turns up on a birth certificate in 1838 of the couple's son John Sullivan. I had thought this was a mistake and the name was Leahy but seeing this odd spelling again on the marriage record has led me to doubt this. Has anyone seen this name elsewhere? (Almost certainly Irish) Any suggestions welcome Ros Dunning _____________________________________________ RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> From: Ros Dunning > Sent: 17 March 2017 16:05 ... > I would like to find the original marriage records as the names of the > witnesses may give some clues. I am assuming this entry refers to > Kensington St Mary Abbotts. Does anyone know where the original records > are kept? All the original registers are at the church. Contact details to access them are here: http://www.smaw8.org/contacts.html Best wishes Andrew -- Andrew Millard - A.R.Millard@durham.ac.uk Chair, Trustees of Genuki: www.genuki.org.uk Maintainer, Genuki Middx + London: www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/MDX/ + ../LND/ Academic Co-ordinator, Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Bodimeade one-name study: community.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/Bodimeade/ My genealogy: community.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/

On Find My Past I have found a record of a marriage between one John Sullivan and Eleanor Leheay inKensington in July 1834. This comes from the West Middlesex Marriage Index I would like to find the original marriage records as the names of the witnesses may give some clues. I am assuming this entry refers to Kensington St Mary Abbotts. Does anyone know where the original records are kept? Also this odd spelling of Leheay turns up on a birth certificate in 1838 of the couple's son John Sullivan. I had thought this was a mistake and the name was Leahy but seeing this odd spelling again on the marriage record has led me to doubt this. Has anyone seen this name elsewhere? (Almost certainly Irish) Any suggestions welcome Ros Dunning

I have just ordered my first so await its arrival with interest. It would be nice to have some better search options on the indexes such as wild cards. The phonetic search options often disappear into hyperspace. Ian S Vicary Vicary/Vickery One-Name Study http://Vicaryone-namestudy.blogspot.com http://one-name.org/name_profile/vicary -----Original Message----- From: GOONS [mailto:goons-bounces+ianvicary=outlook.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tim Treeby Sent: 17 March 2017 14:21 To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] PDF Pilot phase 3 of the England & Wales certificate ordering system The reason phase 1 was £6 and indexed is because that is the records that had already been digitised. The £8 is for those records that have not already been digitised. So assuming they roll it out as a full service after the Trials then you will have up to 5 options. 1) Get Certificate in post as now cost £9.25 2) Priority Certificate in post as now cost £23.40 3) PDF of Birth or Death from digitised records (Births 1837-1934, Deaths 1837-1957) cost £6 - Phase 1 Trial 4) Priority PDF cost £45 - Phase 2 Trial 5) PDF of Birth/Death/Marriage of non digitised records (Births 1935-2006, Deaths 1958-2006, Marriages 1837-2010) Cost £8 - Phase 3 Trial So Phase 3 will still be cheaper than Certificate and also as emailed, if live outside of UK, will get details quicker than if posted. Tim Treeby GOONS : 7112 On 17/03/2017 14:04, michael@anstey-history.info wrote: > > Is it me? but I don't see this as a great forward step compared with > status quo. > > Pdf fee is now £8 rather than the £6 in earlier phase and therefore > only marginally cheaper that a full (legal) certificate. > > No new indexing has been created (perhaps supplying exact spouse) so > need the current GRO indexes (FreeBMD etc) to provide the full reference. > > What have other members found? > > Michael Tedd (329) > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _____________________________________________ RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The reason phase 1 was £6 and indexed is because that is the records that had already been digitised. The £8 is for those records that have not already been digitised. So assuming they roll it out as a full service after the Trials then you will have up to 5 options. 1) Get Certificate in post as now cost £9.25 2) Priority Certificate in post as now cost £23.40 3) PDF of Birth or Death from digitised records (Births 1837-1934, Deaths 1837-1957) cost £6 - Phase 1 Trial 4) Priority PDF cost £45 - Phase 2 Trial 5) PDF of Birth/Death/Marriage of non digitised records (Births 1935-2006, Deaths 1958-2006, Marriages 1837-2010) Cost £8 - Phase 3 Trial So Phase 3 will still be cheaper than Certificate and also as emailed, if live outside of UK, will get details quicker than if posted. Tim Treeby GOONS : 7112 On 17/03/2017 14:04, michael@anstey-history.info wrote: > > Is it me? but I don't see this as a great forward step compared with > status quo. > > Pdf fee is now £8 rather than the £6 in earlier phase and therefore > only marginally cheaper that a full (legal) certificate. > > No new indexing has been created (perhaps supplying exact spouse) so > need the current GRO indexes (FreeBMD etc) to provide the full reference. > > What have other members found? > > Michael Tedd (329) > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Is it me? but I don't see this as a great forward step compared with status quo. Pdf fee is now £8 rather than the £6 in earlier phase and therefore only marginally cheaper that a full (legal) certificate. No new indexing has been created (perhaps supplying exact spouse) so need the current GRO indexes (FreeBMD etc) to provide the full reference. What have other members found? Michael Tedd (329) -----Original Message----- From: Wendy Archer Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 7:24 PM To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: [G] PDF Pilot phase 3 of the England & Wales certificate ordering system With thanks to a post by the Federation of Family History Societies, there is news of PDF Pilot Phase 3 of the England & Wales certificate ordering system. >From https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp PDF Pilot Phase 3 We are trialling a service from 16 March to provide PDF copies of our non-digitised records. Records will not be immediately viewable, but emailed as a PDF. Applications for each PDF cost £8, must be made online and include a GRO index reference. England and Wales records which are available as PDF's in pilot 3 include: Births: 1935-2006 Deaths: 1958-2006 Marriages: 1837-2010 Full details are linked from the webpage. Wendy _____________________________________________ RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

With thanks to a post by the Federation of Family History Societies, there is news of PDF Pilot Phase 3 of the England & Wales certificate ordering system. From https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp PDF Pilot Phase 3 We are trialling a service from 16 March to provide PDF copies of our non-digitised records. Records will not be immediately viewable, but emailed as a PDF. Applications for each PDF cost £8, must be made online and include a GRO index reference. England and Wales records which are available as PDF's in pilot 3 include: Births: 1935-2006 Deaths: 1958-2006 Marriages: 1837-2010 Full details are linked from the webpage. Wendy

Hi Paul, This all sounds familiar I think I may be related to him. Will have to double check my records but I definitely have Millington ancestors who were in the Hawarden area. It's been a while since I looked at this line. Carole Steers ________________________________ From: GOONS <goons-bounces+carole.davies82=hotmail.co.uk@rootsweb.com> on behalf of Nicholas Spence <nick@harvardarms.org.uk> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 9:05:30 AM To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] Thomas Millington, Watchmaker Paul The SoG library has a copy should you wish any further help. They also have many other books by him including The Early Clockmakers of Great Britain. Nick member 4108 Chesson and variants On 15/03/2017 14:26, Paul Millington wrote: > Bit of a long shot, but does anyone have access to: > > Watchmakers and Clockmakers of the World by Brian Loomes. > > I am looking for information on Thomas Millington of London with reference > to a watch recently sold on Ebay and dated 1819. > > Regards, > > Paul Millington > Member No. 2181 > _____________________________________________ RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message