I would love to have access to a list of what counties have record images on ancestry through the wiki. Which also reminds me that it might be a good time to have another review of wiki contents. Corinne Curtis #5579 On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 7:43 AM, John Hanson <john.hanson@one-name.org> wrote: > In the recent discussion on counties and what is available online it was > suggested by Barry Walker after I had updated the list of what is where that > a different format might be better > > > > I maintain a personal list of what counties are available on Ancestry and > FMP including details of whether they are just transcriptions or contain > images. I am prepared to find the time to put the information in table form > into the Wiki if people would find it of use. But if no one is interested it > is not worth the interest. > > > > It would be useful to also add the Genealogist to the list but I don't have > that information and trying to find it on their website seems to be a > nightmare. Can anyone help? > > > > Regards > > John Hanson, researcher, the Halsted Trust, > <http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk/> http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk > > New family history conference in 2018 <http://www.secretlives.org.uk/> > http://www.secretlives.org.uk > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Information and admin page: > http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John Yes, please, I would also be interested in knowing whether there are images or not. I’m sure many other members would also be interested. June Willing Guild of One-Name Studies member no 2117 Willing/Willings One-Name Study http://one-name.org/name_profile/Willing/ Willing/Willings DNA Project https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/willing Dominicus One-Name Study http://one-name.org/name_profile/dominicus/ > On 30 Apr 2017, at 07:43, John Hanson <john.hanson@one-name.org> wrote: > > In the recent discussion on counties and what is available online it was > suggested by Barry Walker after I had updated the list of what is where that > a different format might be better > > > > I maintain a personal list of what counties are available on Ancestry and > FMP including details of whether they are just transcriptions or contain > images. I am prepared to find the time to put the information in table form > into the Wiki if people would find it of use. But if no one is interested it > is not worth the interest. > > > > > > Regards > > John Hanson, researcher, the Halsted Trust, > <http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk/> http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk >

John, Unsure if this will help: https://www.thegenealogist.co.uk/news/#latest At the bottom of the page is their News Archive going back to 2005 ! Ken On 30 April 2017 at 09:53, Julie Goucher <juliegoucher@gmail.com> wrote: > On 30 Apr 2017, at 07:43, John Hanson <john.hanson@one-name.org> wrote: >> >> In the recent discussion on counties and what is available online it was >> suggested by Barry Walker after I had updated the list of what is where that >> a different format might be better >> >> I maintain a personal list of what counties are available on Ancestry and >> FMP including details of whether they are just transcriptions or contain >> images. I am prepared to find the time to put the information in table form >> into the Wiki if people would find it of use. But if no one is interested it >> is not worth the interest. > > John, that is an excellent idea & the Wiki would be a great place for the data. >> >> It would be useful to also add the Genealogist to the list but I don't have >> that information and trying to find it on their website seems to be a >> nightmare. Can anyone help? >> > Afraid I cannot help there! > > Best wishes, > Julie >> >> >> > > _____________________________________________ > > Information and admin page: > http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 30 Apr 2017, at 07:43, John Hanson <john.hanson@one-name.org> wrote: > > In the recent discussion on counties and what is available online it was > suggested by Barry Walker after I had updated the list of what is where that > a different format might be better > > I maintain a personal list of what counties are available on Ancestry and > FMP including details of whether they are just transcriptions or contain > images. I am prepared to find the time to put the information in table form > into the Wiki if people would find it of use. But if no one is interested it > is not worth the interest. John, that is an excellent idea & the Wiki would be a great place for the data. > > It would be useful to also add the Genealogist to the list but I don't have > that information and trying to find it on their website seems to be a > nightmare. Can anyone help? > Afraid I cannot help there! Best wishes, Julie > > >

John, That is an excellent idea. I'm currently doing that myself as I 'revisit' each county to extract data I may have missed in my early (pre-Internet) research. Ken On 30 April 2017 at 07:43, John Hanson <john.hanson@one-name.org> wrote: > In the recent discussion on counties and what is available online it was > suggested by Barry Walker after I had updated the list of what is where that > a different format might be better > > > > I maintain a personal list of what counties are available on Ancestry and > FMP including details of whether they are just transcriptions or contain > images. I am prepared to find the time to put the information in table form > into the Wiki if people would find it of use. But if no one is interested it > is not worth the interest. > > > > It would be useful to also add the Genealogist to the list but I don't have > that information and trying to find it on their website seems to be a > nightmare. Can anyone help? > > > > Regards > > John Hanson, researcher, the Halsted Trust, > <http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk/> http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk > > New family history conference in 2018 <http://www.secretlives.org.uk/> > http://www.secretlives.org.uk > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Information and admin page: > http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In the recent discussion on counties and what is available online it was suggested by Barry Walker after I had updated the list of what is where that a different format might be better I maintain a personal list of what counties are available on Ancestry and FMP including details of whether they are just transcriptions or contain images. I am prepared to find the time to put the information in table form into the Wiki if people would find it of use. But if no one is interested it is not worth the interest. It would be useful to also add the Genealogist to the list but I don't have that information and trying to find it on their website seems to be a nightmare. Can anyone help? Regards John Hanson, researcher, the Halsted Trust, <http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk/> http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk New family history conference in 2018 <http://www.secretlives.org.uk/> http://www.secretlives.org.uk

Don't forget all the images at Family search In the browsing section you can read the entire register. Marie (GOONS 5318) Bringing the world together one surname at a time. 'A Pepler Name' http://pepler.tribalpages.com 'Hedgerow - the Ancestors' http://cranberry.tribalpages.com Pepler DNA Study http://www.familytreedna.com/public/pepler-ow/ 'Scroops, Scropes and Scroopes' http://dentonlk.tribalpages.com 'Peplers and Peplows' pepler.one-name.net ________________________________ From: Barry Walker <barrywalker51@gmail.com> To: goons@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [G] FMP - best use of free access. John, I think it would be really useful to have a column showing which sites contain images, and those that just have a transcription. Also, it's worth adding TheGenealogist. They have a lot of parish church images and non-conformist records plus all of the census images. Barry Walker Barry@childerhouse.org On 28 April 2017 at 19:26, Ian S Vicary (ONS) <vicary@one-name.org> wrote: > There are some images for Somerset on Ancestry. > > > Ian S Vicary > Vicary/Vickery One-Name Study > http://Vicaryone-namestudy.blogspot.com > http://one-name.org/name_profile/vicary > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: GOONS [mailto:goons-bounces+ianvicary=outlook.com@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of John Hanson > Sent: 28 April 2017 16:26 > To: goons@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [G] FMP - best use of free access. > > Paul > I have updated the list and included the breakdown of ones like Ancestry's > Lancashire for which most of the records are not in the database as > Lancashire. > > One also has to be careful as looking at some of Ancestry's you could be > forgiven for thinking that they had a county but the catalogue says > "selected" or "Extracted" records for a county. These will not include > images > > I did wonder about re-organising the page into those that contain images and > those that don't > > The ones to come from FMP over the next five months are Berkshire, > Buckinghamshire, Nottinghamshire, Somerset and Wiltshire (none of which will > have images) > > Regards > John Hanson, researcher, the Halsted Trust, > http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk New family history conference in 2018 > http://www.secretlives.org.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: GOONS [mailto:goons-bounces+john.hanson=one-name.org@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Paul Howes > Sent: 28 April 2017 14:16 > To: goons@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [G] FMP - best use of free access. > > Is the FMP section of this wiki page what you were looking for, Robert? > http://one-name.org/wiki/guild-wiki/countries/sources-for-england-wales/onli > ne-parish-register-sources-for-england-and-wales/ > > Please can someone update it? I know FMP just added another county and made > some announcement about ones to come. Would be helpful to add to that page. > Paul > > On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 7:15 AM, Robert Fowler <rlkfowlerons@gmail.com> > wrote: >> Many thanks to those that contributed re errors on their >> transcriptions, I have no wish to look for more. >> >> >> Can any FMP experts suggest the best RDs to look in for scanned > certificates. >> >> I have found useful information about Welsh marriages, but would >> welcome suggestions as to where else to look: >> >> http://www.findmypast.co.uk/articles/world-records/search-all-uk-recor >> ds/special-collections/the-wales-collection >> >> >> Or during the extra one month for one pound offer to new subscribers. >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Robert Fowler 5464 >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Information and admin page: >> http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > Paul Howes > Chairman, Guild of One-Name Studies > www.howesfamilies.com > Ponte Vedra, FL ; Horning, Norfolk > _____________________________________________ > > Information and admin page: > http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > _____________________________________________ > > Information and admin page: > http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > > Information and admin page: > http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ Information and admin page: http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John, I think it would be really useful to have a column showing which sites contain images, and those that just have a transcription. Also, it's worth adding TheGenealogist. They have a lot of parish church images and non-conformist records plus all of the census images. Barry Walker Barry@childerhouse.org On 28 April 2017 at 19:26, Ian S Vicary (ONS) <vicary@one-name.org> wrote: > There are some images for Somerset on Ancestry. > > > Ian S Vicary > Vicary/Vickery One-Name Study > http://Vicaryone-namestudy.blogspot.com > http://one-name.org/name_profile/vicary > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: GOONS [mailto:goons-bounces+ianvicary=outlook.com@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of John Hanson > Sent: 28 April 2017 16:26 > To: goons@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [G] FMP - best use of free access. > > Paul > I have updated the list and included the breakdown of ones like Ancestry's > Lancashire for which most of the records are not in the database as > Lancashire. > > One also has to be careful as looking at some of Ancestry's you could be > forgiven for thinking that they had a county but the catalogue says > "selected" or "Extracted" records for a county. These will not include > images > > I did wonder about re-organising the page into those that contain images and > those that don't > > The ones to come from FMP over the next five months are Berkshire, > Buckinghamshire, Nottinghamshire, Somerset and Wiltshire (none of which will > have images) > > Regards > John Hanson, researcher, the Halsted Trust, > http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk New family history conference in 2018 > http://www.secretlives.org.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: GOONS [mailto:goons-bounces+john.hanson=one-name.org@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Paul Howes > Sent: 28 April 2017 14:16 > To: goons@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [G] FMP - best use of free access. > > Is the FMP section of this wiki page what you were looking for, Robert? > http://one-name.org/wiki/guild-wiki/countries/sources-for-england-wales/onli > ne-parish-register-sources-for-england-and-wales/ > > Please can someone update it? I know FMP just added another county and made > some announcement about ones to come. Would be helpful to add to that page. > Paul > > On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 7:15 AM, Robert Fowler <rlkfowlerons@gmail.com> > wrote: >> Many thanks to those that contributed re errors on their >> transcriptions, I have no wish to look for more. >> >> >> Can any FMP experts suggest the best RDs to look in for scanned > certificates. >> >> I have found useful information about Welsh marriages, but would >> welcome suggestions as to where else to look: >> >> http://www.findmypast.co.uk/articles/world-records/search-all-uk-recor >> ds/special-collections/the-wales-collection >> >> >> Or during the extra one month for one pound offer to new subscribers. >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Robert Fowler 5464 >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Information and admin page: >> http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > Paul Howes > Chairman, Guild of One-Name Studies > www.howesfamilies.com > Ponte Vedra, FL ; Horning, Norfolk > _____________________________________________ > > Information and admin page: > http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > _____________________________________________ > > Information and admin page: > http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > > Information and admin page: > http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When asked about how to keep up-to-date with new releases, I normally suggest to people that they sign up for weekly email that provides a listing of new genealogy releases. The email is from 'Genealogy in time'. http://www.genealogyintime.com/ I receive my email on a Saturday. This is the current page on their website which includes releases in April many different organisations FMP, FamilySearch, The British Newspaper Archive, Historic Irish Newspapers etc. are present. Ancestry seems to be the notable exception. http://www.genealogyintime.com/records/newest-genealogy-records.html It is possible to check by country or region. A search facility is also available. Gerald

There are some images for Somerset on Ancestry. Ian S Vicary Vicary/Vickery One-Name Study http://Vicaryone-namestudy.blogspot.com http://one-name.org/name_profile/vicary -----Original Message----- From: GOONS [mailto:goons-bounces+ianvicary=outlook.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Hanson Sent: 28 April 2017 16:26 To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] FMP - best use of free access. Paul I have updated the list and included the breakdown of ones like Ancestry's Lancashire for which most of the records are not in the database as Lancashire. One also has to be careful as looking at some of Ancestry's you could be forgiven for thinking that they had a county but the catalogue says "selected" or "Extracted" records for a county. These will not include images I did wonder about re-organising the page into those that contain images and those that don't The ones to come from FMP over the next five months are Berkshire, Buckinghamshire, Nottinghamshire, Somerset and Wiltshire (none of which will have images) Regards John Hanson, researcher, the Halsted Trust, http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk New family history conference in 2018 http://www.secretlives.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: GOONS [mailto:goons-bounces+john.hanson=one-name.org@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paul Howes Sent: 28 April 2017 14:16 To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] FMP - best use of free access. Is the FMP section of this wiki page what you were looking for, Robert? http://one-name.org/wiki/guild-wiki/countries/sources-for-england-wales/onli ne-parish-register-sources-for-england-and-wales/ Please can someone update it? I know FMP just added another county and made some announcement about ones to come. Would be helpful to add to that page. Paul On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 7:15 AM, Robert Fowler <rlkfowlerons@gmail.com> wrote: > Many thanks to those that contributed re errors on their > transcriptions, I have no wish to look for more. > > > Can any FMP experts suggest the best RDs to look in for scanned certificates. > > I have found useful information about Welsh marriages, but would > welcome suggestions as to where else to look: > > http://www.findmypast.co.uk/articles/world-records/search-all-uk-recor > ds/special-collections/the-wales-collection > > > Or during the extra one month for one pound offer to new subscribers. > > > Thanks > > Robert Fowler 5464 > _____________________________________________ > > Information and admin page: > http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Paul Howes Chairman, Guild of One-Name Studies www.howesfamilies.com Ponte Vedra, FL ; Horning, Norfolk _____________________________________________ Information and admin page: http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ Information and admin page: http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Adding to what Marie has to say about good Marriage Certs that include the Maiden Name of the Mother of both the Groom and Bride, you can add in New Zealand and Scotland. As to what the situation is concerning the States of Australia I have no idea, hopefully they are similar to either the New Zealand Certs or the Scottish Certs. I agree the Marriage certs for England and Ireland leave a lot to be desired concerning the Maiden Name of the Mother of both the Groom and Bride. Regards, David J Grimshaw (or is it Grimason?) Genealogical Researcher of the "Grimason" surname and variations of the "Grimason" surname World Wide. A One Name study registered with the Guild of One Name Studies (GOONS): 6138 formerly 2962 The "Sherlock Holmes" of this family according to some. On 28/04/2017 8:43 AM, Marie Byatt wrote: > I believe marriage finder relies on a person supplying the information either because they have the certificate or by other means - perhaps FMP has a means of crosschecking on parish records. > > Actually, I don't rely much on the marriage index at all - I've just had too many mistakes. I downloaded a spreadsheet of the possible marriages and then went to Family Search and Ancestry and did a search on marriages for my study name in the right time period. > BOth sites return church records as well as the index records. So I harvested all the church records and ticked off the appropriate lines in the spreadsheet. This left me with about 10% unknown. Next step was to use the censuses to find the new families and see what the spouses name was. At this point, Out of 3900 marriage I'm still missing about 50 spouses. But I'm in the middle of doing a recheck so it will probably diminish some more. Then I either get a film from Family Search or I call in favors. Thanks to Ancestry, Family Search and various parish register films, I have about 2000 digital images of marriages - trying for the rest. > It's funny really as England is the only place that makes marriages so difficult - in every other country if the marriage is registered and I can find the registration - I usually get the spouse name as well. Canadian records are great as are French - right back into the 1700sboth sets of parents and sometimes grandparents - love those. > > > Marie (GOONS 5318) Bringing the world together one surname at a time. 'A Pepler Name' http://pepler.tribalpages.com 'Hedgerow - the Ancestors' http://cranberry.tribalpages.com Pepler DNA Study http://www.familytreedna.com/public/pepler-ow/ 'Scroops, Scropes and Scroopes' http://dentonlk.tribalpages.com > 'Peplers and Peplows' pepler.one-name.net > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Robert Fowler <rlkfowlerons@gmail.com> > To: Goons Forum <goons@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 12:54 PM > Subject: [G] FMP Errors > > > > One more for the road, Alton Sep 1891 2c 319 > > > FMP "marriage finder" definitively advises Ben L F m Mary Ann White > > > FreeBMD & Ancestry have standard 4 man options. > > > > I still do not understand what Marriage Finder does, apart from > > jerking my chain! > > > > Is FMP strewn with such errors - I have only looked a A... RDs so far. > > > > Is there a shortcut to marriage sets that FMP does have, but the other > > don't ?? > > > Robert > > _____________________________________________ > > > Information and admin page: > > http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Paul I have updated the list and included the breakdown of ones like Ancestry's Lancashire for which most of the records are not in the database as Lancashire. One also has to be careful as looking at some of Ancestry's you could be forgiven for thinking that they had a county but the catalogue says "selected" or "Extracted" records for a county. These will not include images I did wonder about re-organising the page into those that contain images and those that don't The ones to come from FMP over the next five months are Berkshire, Buckinghamshire, Nottinghamshire, Somerset and Wiltshire (none of which will have images) Regards John Hanson, researcher, the Halsted Trust, http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk New family history conference in 2018 http://www.secretlives.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: GOONS [mailto:goons-bounces+john.hanson=one-name.org@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paul Howes Sent: 28 April 2017 14:16 To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] FMP - best use of free access. Is the FMP section of this wiki page what you were looking for, Robert? http://one-name.org/wiki/guild-wiki/countries/sources-for-england-wales/onli ne-parish-register-sources-for-england-and-wales/ Please can someone update it? I know FMP just added another county and made some announcement about ones to come. Would be helpful to add to that page. Paul On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 7:15 AM, Robert Fowler <rlkfowlerons@gmail.com> wrote: > Many thanks to those that contributed re errors on their > transcriptions, I have no wish to look for more. > > > Can any FMP experts suggest the best RDs to look in for scanned certificates. > > I have found useful information about Welsh marriages, but would > welcome suggestions as to where else to look: > > http://www.findmypast.co.uk/articles/world-records/search-all-uk-recor > ds/special-collections/the-wales-collection > > > Or during the extra one month for one pound offer to new subscribers. > > > Thanks > > Robert Fowler 5464 > _____________________________________________ > > Information and admin page: > http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Paul Howes Chairman, Guild of One-Name Studies www.howesfamilies.com Ponte Vedra, FL ; Horning, Norfolk _____________________________________________ Information and admin page: http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It seems there are two major ’takeaways’ for all the discussion of UK BMD entries: 1. Resolving the problem of multiple males and multiple females is what the recent push by Cliff Kimball (see his Forum post on 22 March 2017) for the Guild Marriage Index (GMI) and, specifically, the concept of Inferred Marriage Partners (IMPs). If many of us contributed our own entries to both, there would be a lot of ambiguity-resolving information in the GMI for everyone’s benefit. I just sent in about 1,500 Shenton IMPs, along with another 500 or so regular GMI entries. Contribute your records and build up the database for all of us ! 2. As several folks have pointed out, there are numerous glitches in the FreeBMD indexes (most obviously, the 3-name or 5-name situations), although they are pretty solid considering the enormous volume of entries. FreeBMD does have a procedure for submitting corrections, which again would help out many people. The submittal process is rather strict and laborious, but they have accepted several of my corrections, Given the prodigious amount of volunteer effort which has gone into building the FreeBMD, it’s only righteous for some of us who are heavy users to take a bit of time to help fix the glitches. Scott Shenton (GOONS 5292) Indialantic, Florida, USA Shenton one name study http://shenton.tribalpages.com > On Apr 28, 2017, at 12:31 AM, John Hanson <john.hanson@one-name.org> wrote: > > Marie > Family Finder is simply what FMP call their matching facility. It works > exactly the same way as Freebmd by looking for all the people on the same > page. Obviously it works best post 1912 when the spouses surname is included > in the indexes. > > As you say if you look at the entry on FreeBMD and Ancestry then there are > two women named rather than the one on findmypast. However there is one one > male name whereas there should be two and that is when the alarm bells > should start ringing. > > Whichever site you use the number of names produced should always be in > pairs as it takes two people to make a marriage. So it could be two or four. > However if it is earlier than 1851 then it could also be six or eight as the > early forms at the GRO had four entries to a page. As you say the only way > to be sure (prior to 1912) is to find the original marriage entry. Now > whilst parish records will give you most it will not give you all of them. > There is one other useful source and that is the LocalBMD projects - you can > check these out on the UKBMD website at http://ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd - > certainly for Lancashire and Cheshire I know exactly who married who and > where. > > So back to Thomas Fowler in 1888. > FREEBMD has for Ref 2b 1066 in 1888 Alverstoke > Emma CHURCHER - Thomas FOWLER and Minnie FRANCIS > > The name missing from the FMP indexes is Emma Churcher and a search of their > indexes for her shows that they have transcribed the reference as 2B 1056 > not 2B 1066 as FreeBMD. Now there are a number of trees on ancestry and they > show that she married Thomas FOWLER. > > So the question has to be what happened to Minnie FRANCIS? She has no > matches in Ancestry trees to help but if you search findmypast for her there > are again two males and one female. This time the male names are Thomas > FOWLER and Walter Paine. Now Walter PAINE on FreeBMD has a reference of 2b > 1056 not 2b 1066. I have checked the image on FreeBMD and it should be page > 1066 so I have submitted the correction. > > So it looks like the correct entry for FREEBMD should have four names and > from the ancestry result we can say that > Thomas FOWLER married Emma CHURCHER and Walter PAINE married Minnie FRANCIS > However the only way to be certain is to get the certificates. > > So back to basics - if FreeBMD returns an odd number of entries then you > need to investigate further > > Regards > John Hanson, researcher, the Halsted Trust, > http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk > New family history conference in 2018 http://www.secretlives.org.uk

Many thanks to those that contributed re errors on their transcriptions, I have no wish to look for more. Can any FMP experts suggest the best RDs to look in for scanned certificates. I have found useful information about Welsh marriages, but would welcome suggestions as to where else to look: http://www.findmypast.co.uk/articles/world-records/search-all-uk-records/special-collections/the-wales-collection Or during the extra one month for one pound offer to new subscribers. Thanks Robert Fowler 5464

Is the FMP section of this wiki page what you were looking for, Robert? http://one-name.org/wiki/guild-wiki/countries/sources-for-england-wales/online-parish-register-sources-for-england-and-wales/ Please can someone update it? I know FMP just added another county and made some announcement about ones to come. Would be helpful to add to that page. Paul On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 7:15 AM, Robert Fowler <rlkfowlerons@gmail.com> wrote: > Many thanks to those that contributed re errors on their > transcriptions, I have no wish to look for more. > > > Can any FMP experts suggest the best RDs to look in for scanned certificates. > > I have found useful information about Welsh marriages, but would > welcome suggestions as to where else to look: > > http://www.findmypast.co.uk/articles/world-records/search-all-uk-records/special-collections/the-wales-collection > > > Or during the extra one month for one pound offer to new subscribers. > > > Thanks > > Robert Fowler 5464 > _____________________________________________ > > Information and admin page: > http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Paul Howes Chairman, Guild of One-Name Studies www.howesfamilies.com Ponte Vedra, FL ; Horning, Norfolk

Agreed. Andy At 08:59 28/04/2017, you wrote: >In my experience the marriage certificates are OK in the main; ...

In my experience the marriage certificates are OK in the main; yes there are obvious errors very occasionally in spellings but the poor old parish priest or clerk relied on what he was told. I had one case where the fathers were swapped round. The problems arise in the transcription process onto the indexes, but in most cases these can be resolved with a bit of detective work, especially by using the post marriage census. Ian S Vicary Vicary/Vickery One-Name Study http://Vicaryone-namestudy.blogspot.com http://one-name.org/name_profile/vicary -----Original Message----- From: GOONS [mailto:goons-bounces+ianvicary=outlook.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Andy Micklethwaite Sent: 28 April 2017 08:16 To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] FMP Errors At 06:50 28/04/2017, David wrote: >...I agree the Marriage certs for England and Ireland leave a lot to be desired ... Not just on the information given, but also its accuracy. It's worth reading (I'd borrow it from the library rather than buy it as it get repetitive after a while) Michael Foster's book on the subject "A Comedy of Errors". http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mikefost/ipage.html HTH Andy. _____________________________________________ Information and admin page: http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 06:50 28/04/2017, David wrote: >...I agree the Marriage certs for England and Ireland leave a lot to be desired ... Not just on the information given, but also its accuracy. It's worth reading (I'd borrow it from the library rather than buy it as it get repetitive after a while) Michael Foster's book on the subject "A Comedy of Errors". http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mikefost/ipage.html HTH Andy.

Marie Family Finder is simply what FMP call their matching facility. It works exactly the same way as Freebmd by looking for all the people on the same page. Obviously it works best post 1912 when the spouses surname is included in the indexes. As you say if you look at the entry on FreeBMD and Ancestry then there are two women named rather than the one on findmypast. However there is one one male name whereas there should be two and that is when the alarm bells should start ringing. Whichever site you use the number of names produced should always be in pairs as it takes two people to make a marriage. So it could be two or four. However if it is earlier than 1851 then it could also be six or eight as the early forms at the GRO had four entries to a page. As you say the only way to be sure (prior to 1912) is to find the original marriage entry. Now whilst parish records will give you most it will not give you all of them. There is one other useful source and that is the LocalBMD projects - you can check these out on the UKBMD website at http://ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd - certainly for Lancashire and Cheshire I know exactly who married who and where. So back to Thomas Fowler in 1888. FREEBMD has for Ref 2b 1066 in 1888 Alverstoke Emma CHURCHER - Thomas FOWLER and Minnie FRANCIS The name missing from the FMP indexes is Emma Churcher and a search of their indexes for her shows that they have transcribed the reference as 2B 1056 not 2B 1066 as FreeBMD. Now there are a number of trees on ancestry and they show that she married Thomas FOWLER. So the question has to be what happened to Minnie FRANCIS? She has no matches in Ancestry trees to help but if you search findmypast for her there are again two males and one female. This time the male names are Thomas FOWLER and Walter Paine. Now Walter PAINE on FreeBMD has a reference of 2b 1056 not 2b 1066. I have checked the image on FreeBMD and it should be page 1066 so I have submitted the correction. So it looks like the correct entry for FREEBMD should have four names and from the ancestry result we can say that Thomas FOWLER married Emma CHURCHER and Walter PAINE married Minnie FRANCIS However the only way to be certain is to get the certificates. So back to basics - if FreeBMD returns an odd number of entries then you need to investigate further Regards John Hanson, researcher, the Halsted Trust, http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk New family history conference in 2018 http://www.secretlives.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: GOONS [mailto:goons-bounces+john.hanson=one-name.org@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marie Byatt Sent: 27 April 2017 21:43 To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] FMP Errors I believe marriage finder relies on a person supplying the information either because they have the certificate or by other means - perhaps FMP has a means of crosschecking on parish records. Actually, I don't rely much on the marriage index at all - I've just had too many mistakes. I downloaded a spreadsheet of the possible marriages and then went to Family Search and Ancestry and did a search on marriages for my study name in the right time period. BOth sites return church records as well as the index records. So I harvested all the church records and ticked off the appropriate lines in the spreadsheet. This left me with about 10% unknown. Next step was to use the censuses to find the new families and see what the spouses name was. At this point, Out of 3900 marriage I'm still missing about 50 spouses. But I'm in the middle of doing a recheck so it will probably diminish some more. Then I either get a film from Family Search or I call in favors. Thanks to Ancestry, Family Search and various parish register films, I have about 2000 digital images of marriages - trying for the rest. It's funny really as England is the only place that makes marriages so difficult - in every other country if the marriage is registered and I can find the registration - I usually get the spouse name as well. Canadian records are great as are French - right back into the 1700sboth sets of parents and sometimes grandparents - love those. Marie (GOONS 5318) Bringing the world together one surname at a time. 'A Pepler Name' http://pepler.tribalpages.com 'Hedgerow - the Ancestors' http://cranberry.tribalpages.com Pepler DNA Study http://www.familytreedna.com/public/pepler-ow/ 'Scroops, Scropes and Scroopes' http://dentonlk.tribalpages.com 'Peplers and Peplows' pepler.one-name.net ________________________________ From: Robert Fowler <rlkfowlerons@gmail.com> To: Goons Forum <goons@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 12:54 PM Subject: [G] FMP Errors One more for the road, Alton Sep 1891 2c 319 FMP "marriage finder" definitively advises Ben L F m Mary Ann White FreeBMD & Ancestry have standard 4 man options. I still do not understand what Marriage Finder does, apart from jerking my chain! Is FMP strewn with such errors - I have only looked a A... RDs so far. Is there a shortcut to marriage sets that FMP does have, but the other don't ?? 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Robert According to FreeBMD Ben Fowler married either Annie Budd or Mary Ann White. So you go to Ancestry and just enter Annie Budd, married 1891 exactly, click search. In this case you get a lot of trees telling you she married Alfred Stevens the other name on the same page. So you can deduce from this Ben Fowler married Mary Ann White. By searching in this way you often find one of the marriages mentioned in Army records or a tree. Shirley Forster ELWICK web site: www.elwick.info Pirbright web site: www.pirbright.info -----Original Message----- From: Robert Fowler Sent: Thursday, 27 April, 2017 6:41 PM To: Goons Forum Subject: [G] FMP Errors One more for the road, Alton Sep 1891 2c 319 FMP "marriage finder" definitively advises Ben L F m Mary Ann White FreeBMD & Ancestry have standard 4 man options. I still do not understand what Marriage Finder does, apart from jerking my chain! Is FMP strewn with such errors - I have only looked a A... RDs so far. Is there a shortcut to marriage sets that FMP does have, but the other don't ?? Robert _____________________________________________ Information and admin page: http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus