Stuart I think that is likely to be more of a general issue with the Wiki and you should take it up with the webmaster Regards John -----Original Message----- From: GOONS [mailto:goons-bounces+john.hanson=one-name.org@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of stuart.phethean@gmail.com Sent: 07 May 2017 12:28 To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] Guild Wiki A valuable resource John! Thank you. However I'm having trouble however getting all columns to display correctly on my iPad. The right hand side of the list is truncated by the side-bar, so I only see the Ancestry and FMP columns. I think this is a general issue on several of the wiki pages. Regards, Stuart Sent from my iPad > On 7 May 2017, at 11:39, John Hanson <john.hanson@one-name.org> wrote: > > All > I have now completed the first attempt at putting an improved table in > the WiKi for the parish records of England and Wales > > The link is > http://one-name.org/wiki/guild-wiki/countries/sources-for-england-wale > s/onli ne-parish-register-sources-for-england-and-wales/ > > With Ancestry it is easier to provide actual links which I have made > to the marriage index from that page there are links to the baptisms, > burials and pre 1812 indexes. > > With counties like Lancashire which has five different databases to > cover the county I have added each one within the county. I am > experimenting with FMP to find a way of linking to the county but not > found a suitable way at present unless someone has some bright ideas. > > Familysearch will follow. > > Also the new June 2017 issue of Who Do You Think You Are magazine > has a complete list of who has what. > > I will double check all the entries. > > Regards > John Hanson > > > _____________________________________________ > > Information and admin page: > http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ Information and admin page: http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi John I emailed you with a Word attachment giving info about The Genealogist content - I sent it on 30 april, if it's not in your spam folder, please can you email me at my adamthwaite at one-name dot org address, and I'll resend it direct to you Best wishes Sue Sue Mastel London, UK Adamthwaite Archive Appleby ONS & DNA Project Ravenstonedale DNA Project Mastel family history -----Original Message----- From: GOONS [mailto:goons-bounces+suemastel22=gmail.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Hanson Sent: 07 May 2017 12:55 To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] Guild Wiki Paul As I said I am double-checking them all. I had obviously missed it on my personal list that I was working from Regards John -----Original Message----- From: GOONS [mailto:goons-bounces+john.hanson=one-name.org@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paul Prescott Sent: 07 May 2017 12:12 To: GOONS mailing list Subject: Re: [G] Guild Wiki John: Thanks for a great start - but what happened to Worcestershire? Paul On 7 May 2017 at 11:39, John Hanson <john.hanson@one-name.org> wrote: > All > I have now completed the first attempt at putting an improved table in > the WiKi for the parish records of England and Wales > > The link is > http://one-name.org/wiki/guild-wiki/countries/sources-for-england-wale > s/onli ne-parish-register-sources-for-england-and-wales/ > > With Ancestry it is easier to provide actual links which I have made > to the marriage index from that page there are links to the baptisms, > burials and pre 1812 indexes. > > With counties like Lancashire which has five different databases to > cover the county I have added each one within the county. I am > experimenting with FMP to find a way of linking to the county but not > found a suitable way at present unless someone has some bright ideas. > > Familysearch will follow. > > Also the new June 2017 issue of Who Do You Think You Are magazine > has a complete list of who has what. > > I will double check all the entries. > > Regards > John Hanson > > > _____________________________________________ > > Information and admin page: > http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ Information and admin page: http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ Information and admin page: http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think you need to consider a column for Family Search. When you combine the transcribed with images as well as the 'read the pages' images. https://familysearch.org/search/collection/location/1986340?region=England If nothing else, this link should be given as there is a tremendous number of images available. Marie (GOONS 5318) Bringing the world together one surname at a time. 'A Pepler Name' http://pepler.tribalpages.com 'Hedgerow - the Ancestors' http://cranberry.tribalpages.com Pepler DNA Study http://www.familytreedna.com/public/pepler-ow/ 'Scroops, Scropes and Scroopes' http://dentonlk.tribalpages.com 'Peplers and Peplows' pepler.one-name.net ________________________________ From: John Hanson <john.hanson@one-name.org> To: goons@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [G] Guild Wiki Stuart I think that is likely to be more of a general issue with the Wiki and you should take it up with the webmaster Regards John -----Original Message----- From: GOONS [mailto:goons-bounces+john.hanson=one-name.org@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of stuart.phethean@gmail.com Sent: 07 May 2017 12:28 To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] Guild Wiki A valuable resource John! Thank you. However I'm having trouble however getting all columns to display correctly on my iPad. The right hand side of the list is truncated by the side-bar, so I only see the Ancestry and FMP columns. I think this is a general issue on several of the wiki pages. Regards, Stuart Sent from my iPad > On 7 May 2017, at 11:39, John Hanson <john.hanson@one-name.org> wrote: > > All > I have now completed the first attempt at putting an improved table in > the WiKi for the parish records of England and Wales > > The link is > http://one-name.org/wiki/guild-wiki/countries/sources-for-england-wale > s/onli ne-parish-register-sources-for-england-and-wales/ > > With Ancestry it is easier to provide actual links which I have made > to the marriage index from that page there are links to the baptisms, > burials and pre 1812 indexes. > > With counties like Lancashire which has five different databases to > cover the county I have added each one within the county. I am > experimenting with FMP to find a way of linking to the county but not > found a suitable way at present unless someone has some bright ideas. > > Familysearch will follow. > > Also the new June 2017 issue of Who Do You Think You Are magazine > has a complete list of who has what. > > I will double check all the entries. > > Regards > John Hanson > > > _____________________________________________ > > Information and admin page: > http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ Information and admin page: http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ Information and admin page: http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Paul As I said I am double-checking them all. I had obviously missed it on my personal list that I was working from Regards John -----Original Message----- From: GOONS [mailto:goons-bounces+john.hanson=one-name.org@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paul Prescott Sent: 07 May 2017 12:12 To: GOONS mailing list Subject: Re: [G] Guild Wiki John: Thanks for a great start - but what happened to Worcestershire? Paul On 7 May 2017 at 11:39, John Hanson <john.hanson@one-name.org> wrote: > All > I have now completed the first attempt at putting an improved table in > the WiKi for the parish records of England and Wales > > The link is > http://one-name.org/wiki/guild-wiki/countries/sources-for-england-wale > s/onli ne-parish-register-sources-for-england-and-wales/ > > With Ancestry it is easier to provide actual links which I have made > to the marriage index from that page there are links to the baptisms, > burials and pre 1812 indexes. > > With counties like Lancashire which has five different databases to > cover the county I have added each one within the county. I am > experimenting with FMP to find a way of linking to the county but not > found a suitable way at present unless someone has some bright ideas. > > Familysearch will follow. > > Also the new June 2017 issue of Who Do You Think You Are magazine > has a complete list of who has what. > > I will double check all the entries. > > Regards > John Hanson > > > _____________________________________________ > > Information and admin page: > http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ Information and admin page: http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tim Thanks for that - I had better a link for the minute asking people to notify me of errors as I have a text version of the page that I am working on. One of the advantages of programming HTML in the past. I will check all the rest of the FMP ones - I noticed with your Devon one that there is a link to the baptisms, etc so can use the same concept I would be extremely grateful to anyone who can tell me which counties in The Genealogist actually have images Regards John -----Original Message----- From: GOONS [mailto:goons-bounces+john.hanson=one-name.org@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tim Treeby Sent: 07 May 2017 11:54 To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] Guild Wiki With FMP need to go through the A-Z to find the link. Have updated the Link for Devon, which links to the Marriage Search page as per your Ancestry ones. Can go through the rest of FMP and update later on. Tim Treeby (7112) On 07/05/2017 11:39, John Hanson wrote: > All > I have now completed the first attempt at putting an improved table in > the WiKi for the parish records of England and Wales > > The link is > http://one-name.org/wiki/guild-wiki/countries/sources-for-england-wale > s/onli ne-parish-register-sources-for-england-and-wales/ > > With Ancestry it is easier to provide actual links which I have made > to the marriage index from that page there are links to the baptisms, > burials and pre 1812 indexes. > > With counties like Lancashire which has five different databases to > cover the county I have added each one within the county. I am > experimenting with FMP to find a way of linking to the county but not > found a suitable way at present unless someone has some bright ideas. > > Familysearch will follow. > > Also the new June 2017 issue of Who Do You Think You Are magazine > has a complete list of who has what. > > I will double check all the entries. > > Regards > John Hanson > > > _____________________________________________ > > Information and admin page: > http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _____________________________________________ Information and admin page: http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A valuable resource John! Thank you. However I'm having trouble however getting all columns to display correctly on my iPad. The right hand side of the list is truncated by the side-bar, so I only see the Ancestry and FMP columns. I think this is a general issue on several of the wiki pages. Regards, Stuart Sent from my iPad > On 7 May 2017, at 11:39, John Hanson <john.hanson@one-name.org> wrote: > > All > I have now completed the first attempt at putting an improved table in the > WiKi for the parish records of England and Wales > > The link is > http://one-name.org/wiki/guild-wiki/countries/sources-for-england-wales/onli > ne-parish-register-sources-for-england-and-wales/ > > With Ancestry it is easier to provide actual links which I have made to the > marriage index from that page there are links to the baptisms, burials and > pre 1812 indexes. > > With counties like Lancashire which has five different databases to cover > the county I have added each one within the county. I am experimenting with > FMP to find a way of linking to the county but not found a suitable way at > present unless someone has some bright ideas. > > Familysearch will follow. > > Also the new June 2017 issue of Who Do You Think You Are magazine has a > complete list of who has what. > > I will double check all the entries. > > Regards > John Hanson > > > _____________________________________________ > > Information and admin page: > http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John: Thanks for a great start - but what happened to Worcestershire? Paul On 7 May 2017 at 11:39, John Hanson <john.hanson@one-name.org> wrote: > All > I have now completed the first attempt at putting an improved table in the > WiKi for the parish records of England and Wales > > The link is > http://one-name.org/wiki/guild-wiki/countries/sources-for-england-wales/onli > ne-parish-register-sources-for-england-and-wales/ > > With Ancestry it is easier to provide actual links which I have made to the > marriage index from that page there are links to the baptisms, burials and > pre 1812 indexes. > > With counties like Lancashire which has five different databases to cover > the county I have added each one within the county. I am experimenting with > FMP to find a way of linking to the county but not found a suitable way at > present unless someone has some bright ideas. > > Familysearch will follow. > > Also the new June 2017 issue of Who Do You Think You Are magazine has a > complete list of who has what. > > I will double check all the entries. > > Regards > John Hanson > > > _____________________________________________ > > Information and admin page: > http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

With FMP need to go through the A-Z to find the link. Have updated the Link for Devon, which links to the Marriage Search page as per your Ancestry ones. Can go through the rest of FMP and update later on. Tim Treeby (7112) On 07/05/2017 11:39, John Hanson wrote: > All > I have now completed the first attempt at putting an improved table in the > WiKi for the parish records of England and Wales > > The link is > http://one-name.org/wiki/guild-wiki/countries/sources-for-england-wales/onli > ne-parish-register-sources-for-england-and-wales/ > > With Ancestry it is easier to provide actual links which I have made to the > marriage index from that page there are links to the baptisms, burials and > pre 1812 indexes. > > With counties like Lancashire which has five different databases to cover > the county I have added each one within the county. I am experimenting with > FMP to find a way of linking to the county but not found a suitable way at > present unless someone has some bright ideas. > > Familysearch will follow. > > Also the new June 2017 issue of Who Do You Think You Are magazine has a > complete list of who has what. > > I will double check all the entries. > > Regards > John Hanson > > > _____________________________________________ > > Information and admin page: > http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Now we need, Irish, US, Australian, New Zealand, South African, members to step up and do something similar for those countries, Then we have our European states. Paul 2627 On 7 May 2017 at 11:39, John Hanson <john.hanson@one-name.org> wrote: > All > I have now completed the first attempt at putting an improved table in the > WiKi for the parish records of England and Wales > > The link is > http://one-name.org/wiki/guild-wiki/countries/sources- > for-england-wales/onli > ne-parish-register-sources-for-england-and-wales/ > > With Ancestry it is easier to provide actual links which I have made to the > marriage index from that page there are links to the baptisms, burials and > pre 1812 indexes. > > With counties like Lancashire which has five different databases to cover > the county I have added each one within the county. I am experimenting with > FMP to find a way of linking to the county but not found a suitable way at > present unless someone has some bright ideas. > > Familysearch will follow. > > Also the new June 2017 issue of Who Do You Think You Are magazine has a > complete list of who has what. > > I will double check all the entries. > > Regards > John Hanson > > > _____________________________________________ > > Information and admin page: > http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

All I have now completed the first attempt at putting an improved table in the WiKi for the parish records of England and Wales The link is http://one-name.org/wiki/guild-wiki/countries/sources-for-england-wales/onli ne-parish-register-sources-for-england-and-wales/ With Ancestry it is easier to provide actual links which I have made to the marriage index from that page there are links to the baptisms, burials and pre 1812 indexes. With counties like Lancashire which has five different databases to cover the county I have added each one within the county. I am experimenting with FMP to find a way of linking to the county but not found a suitable way at present unless someone has some bright ideas. Familysearch will follow. Also the new June 2017 issue of Who Do You Think You Are magazine has a complete list of who has what. I will double check all the entries. Regards John Hanson

Many thanks for the ideas Debbie - I will follow them up. However, I found this morning, after emailing another contact, that I should have looked in that most obvious of places - my email system for 4 years ago. Oh, dear. I think I should retire from this game while I can remember how to. Andy. At 13:45 06/05/2017, you wrote: >Andy > >FTDNA are no longer supporting Ysearch. People are encouraged to upload >their DNA results to Geni.com instead. Wikitree is another alternative. > >I note you have a Micklethwaite Project at FTDNA. Have you checked the >matches of all the people in your project? This person might well appear in >their match lists. > >There is a Waterhouse Project at FTDNA: > >https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Waterhouse > >If you contact the project admin he might be able to help to put you in >touch with this person as there's a good chance he will be in that project. > >Can I suggest that you get in touch with Susan Meates, the Guild's DNA >Advisor, so that you can get your FTDNA Project website set up and get the >Guild logo featured against your surname in the FTDNA database: > >http://one-name.org/guild-logo-on-your-dna-project/ > >Susan's contact details can be found here: > >http://one-name.org/dna-introduction/ > >Best wishes > >Debbie Kennett > >-----Original Message----- >From: GOONS [mailto:goons-bounces+debbiekennett=gmail.com@rootsweb.com] On >Behalf Of Andy Micklethwaite >Sent: 05 May 2017 12:15 >To: goons@rootsweb.com >Subject: [G] YSearch > >As far as I can tell from searching Google, YSearch has been left to rot by >FTDNA. I recently noticed an entry of interest - U4U45 says "According to my >genealogy research my line extends through a line of Waterhouse to Horatio >Waterhouse born Vermont circa1794. But now my DNA matches at 37 markers with >the paternal line of Micklethwaite. " > >How do I get in contact with U4U45? Attempts to use YSearch get a server >error. > >TIA Andy. > > _____________________________________________ > >Information and admin page: >http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Andy FTDNA are no longer supporting Ysearch. People are encouraged to upload their DNA results to Geni.com instead. Wikitree is another alternative. I note you have a Micklethwaite Project at FTDNA. Have you checked the matches of all the people in your project? This person might well appear in their match lists. There is a Waterhouse Project at FTDNA: https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Waterhouse If you contact the project admin he might be able to help to put you in touch with this person as there's a good chance he will be in that project. Can I suggest that you get in touch with Susan Meates, the Guild's DNA Advisor, so that you can get your FTDNA Project website set up and get the Guild logo featured against your surname in the FTDNA database: http://one-name.org/guild-logo-on-your-dna-project/ Susan's contact details can be found here: http://one-name.org/dna-introduction/ Best wishes Debbie Kennett -----Original Message----- From: GOONS [mailto:goons-bounces+debbiekennett=gmail.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Andy Micklethwaite Sent: 05 May 2017 12:15 To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: [G] YSearch As far as I can tell from searching Google, YSearch has been left to rot by FTDNA. I recently noticed an entry of interest - U4U45 says "According to my genealogy research my line extends through a line of Waterhouse to Horatio Waterhouse born Vermont circa1794. But now my DNA matches at 37 markers with the paternal line of Micklethwaite. " How do I get in contact with U4U45? Attempts to use YSearch get a server error. TIA Andy.

Thanks Stephanie You can't contact tree owners without a subscription :-( Thanks for the thought. Best Wishes At 21:43 05/05/2017, you wrote: >Andy, there are three public trees on Ancestry with Horatio in them, and >you can view them without a current subscription (just an account). > >I don't know about being able to contact the owner, though... maybe you can. > >Best regards, >Stephanie > >On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 4:15 AM, Andy Micklethwaite <andy.mick@googlemail.com >> wrote: > >> As far as I can tell from searching Google, YSearch has been left to rot >> by FTDNA. I recently noticed an entry of interest - U4U45 says "According >> to my genealogy research my line extends through a line of Waterhouse to >> Horatio Waterhouse born Vermont circa1794. But now my DNA matches at 37 >> markers with the paternal line of Micklethwaite. " >> >> How do I get in contact with U4U45? Attempts to use YSearch get a server >> error. >> >> TIA Andy. >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Information and admin page: >> http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > _____________________________________________ > >Information and admin page: >http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Andy, there are three public trees on Ancestry with Horatio in them, and you can view them without a current subscription (just an account). I don't know about being able to contact the owner, though... maybe you can. Best regards, Stephanie On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 4:15 AM, Andy Micklethwaite <andy.mick@googlemail.com > wrote: > As far as I can tell from searching Google, YSearch has been left to rot > by FTDNA. I recently noticed an entry of interest - U4U45 says "According > to my genealogy research my line extends through a line of Waterhouse to > Horatio Waterhouse born Vermont circa1794. But now my DNA matches at 37 > markers with the paternal line of Micklethwaite. " > > How do I get in contact with U4U45? Attempts to use YSearch get a server > error. > > TIA Andy. > > _____________________________________________ > > Information and admin page: > http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

As far as I can tell from searching Google, YSearch has been left to rot by FTDNA. I recently noticed an entry of interest - U4U45 says "According to my genealogy research my line extends through a line of Waterhouse to Horatio Waterhouse born Vermont circa1794. But now my DNA matches at 37 markers with the paternal line of Micklethwaite. " How do I get in contact with U4U45? Attempts to use YSearch get a server error. TIA Andy.

In our VICK Y-DNA Surname Project we have a man (A) who at 37 STRs has no differences with another man (B). "A" shares a 7th great paternal grandfather with 34 other men in the project who have had the 37 STRs tested. None of those other men have zero STR differences with "A." Those other 34 have from one to four differences with "A." "A" and three of the 34 men have had the Big Y test at FTDNA. "A" and the other three are haplogroup Q-FGC6995. Each of the four descends from a different son of their 7th great grandfather. "B" has also had the Big Y test and is ancestral (negative) for both SNPs that define haplogroup Q-FGC6995. "B" is haplogroup Q-FGC6866. Sometimes being a perfect match at 37 STRs doesn't tell the whole story nor does having up to four differences. I have learned to put a lot more emphasis on SNPs since "B" joined our project. Regards, Larry 4679 ________________________________ From: Gordon Adshead <gordon@adshead.com> To: GOONS <goons@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 1:05 PM Subject: [G] Y-DNA Mutation Rates I have a question please about likely DNA mutation rates So far, I have only managed to Y-37 test 18x ADSHEADs each in different Trees These form two quite separate genetic groups plus 3x odd-balls. In one group of 6x Manchester based trees:- 2 are identical at 37 markers and the other 4 all differ by one marker, but each at a different site. The two with the same signature at Y-37 have just up-graded the test to Y-67 and they remain completely identical at all 67 markers. This tends to confirm that the two documented heads of these trees <David bap.Manchester Cathedral 1750 : Father John> and <Nathaniel bap.Manchester Cathedral 1752: Father John> are in fact brothers. My issue is that the two persons tested are each 7 generations down from their presumed common ancestor John ie There are 14 births involved with apparently no mutations. Can anybody give me some idea please Is this a common or rare situation ? Or better still could you point me at some sort of quantification of the known mutation rates of each of the 67 markers So I can work out the probability of No mutations in 14 births. Many thanks Gordon [+Z] Gordon Adshead <gordon@adshead.com> [+Z] Beaumont House, 2 Goodrington Road, Handforth, Cheshire, SK9 3AT, UK [+Z] Tel:+44-1625-549770 Mob:+44-7776-145602 _____________________________________________ Information and admin page: http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The only couple I have (A and B) with a known common ancestor are 2 markers different at 37 markers. The common ancestor is 12 generations back in one line and 15 generations back in the other. A third person is an exact match at 37 markers with A (with the same two mutations), and three GD from B at 67 markers. That third person hasn't yet been linked to the tree or a common ancestor. Corinne, Sennett ONS > -----Original Message----- > From: GOONS [mailto:goons-bounces+bps=norvic8.force9.co.uk@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Gordon Adshead > Sent: 04 May 2017 16:51 > To: GOONS <goons@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [G] Y-DNA Mutation Rates > > I have a question please about likely DNA mutation rates > My issue is that the two persons tested are each 7 generations down > from their presumed common ancestor John > ie There are 14 births involved with apparently no mutations. > > Can anybody give me some idea please > Is this a common or rare situation ? > > Or better still could you point me at some sort of quantification of > the known mutation rates of each of the 67 markers > So I can work out the probability of No mutations in 14 births. > > Many thanks > Gordon

Dear Gordon Y-STR Marker mutation rates are, in practice, a large and quite complicated subject, mostly because folk do not appreciate that such rates are random and thus can only be applied to large datasets. Most folk want to apply them to their particular testing scenarios which almost always involves too few people. The ISOGG Wiki is a very good place to start to begin to understand the complexity involved. You just need to read some of the papers here to get some idea of the issues. https://isogg.org/wiki/Mutation_rates This is one area of DNA testing where it is quite challenging to produce a simplified explanation which is both useful and scientifically valid. Brian -----Original Message----- From: GOONS [mailto:goons-bounces+bps=norvic8.force9.co.uk@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Adshead Sent: 04 May 2017 16:51 To: GOONS <goons@rootsweb.com> Subject: [G] Y-DNA Mutation Rates I have a question please about likely DNA mutation rates So far, I have only managed to Y-37 test 18x ADSHEADs each in different Trees These form two quite separate genetic groups plus 3x odd-balls. In one group of 6x Manchester based trees:- 2 are identical at 37 markers and the other 4 all differ by one marker, but each at a different site. The two with the same signature at Y-37 have just up-graded the test to Y-67 and they remain completely identical at all 67 markers. This tends to confirm that the two documented heads of these trees <David bap.Manchester Cathedral 1750 : Father John> and <Nathaniel bap.Manchester Cathedral 1752: Father John> are in fact brothers. My issue is that the two persons tested are each 7 generations down from their presumed common ancestor John ie There are 14 births involved with apparently no mutations. Can anybody give me some idea please Is this a common or rare situation ? Or better still could you point me at some sort of quantification of the known mutation rates of each of the 67 markers So I can work out the probability of No mutations in 14 births. Many thanks Gordon [+Z] Gordon Adshead <gordon@adshead.com> [+Z] Beaumont House, 2 Goodrington Road, Handforth, Cheshire, SK9 3AT, UK [+Z] Tel:+44-1625-549770 Mob:+44-7776-145602 _____________________________________________ Information and admin page: http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a question please about likely DNA mutation rates So far, I have only managed to Y-37 test 18x ADSHEADs each in different Trees These form two quite separate genetic groups plus 3x odd-balls. In one group of 6x Manchester based trees:- 2 are identical at 37 markers and the other 4 all differ by one marker, but each at a different site. The two with the same signature at Y-37 have just up-graded the test to Y-67 and they remain completely identical at all 67 markers. This tends to confirm that the two documented heads of these trees <David bap.Manchester Cathedral 1750 : Father John> and <Nathaniel bap.Manchester Cathedral 1752: Father John> are in fact brothers. My issue is that the two persons tested are each 7 generations down from their presumed common ancestor John ie There are 14 births involved with apparently no mutations. Can anybody give me some idea please Is this a common or rare situation ? Or better still could you point me at some sort of quantification of the known mutation rates of each of the 67 markers So I can work out the probability of No mutations in 14 births. Many thanks Gordon [+Z] Gordon Adshead <gordon@adshead.com> [+Z] Beaumont House, 2 Goodrington Road, Handforth, Cheshire, SK9 3AT, UK [+Z] Tel:+44-1625-549770 Mob:+44-7776-145602

I wonder if there is anyone out there who can help me with putting some flesh on James CHESSON (c1783-1865) and his family? From 1841 onwards I have quite good records but if anybody can help on the earlier period I would be very grateful James doesn't appear to have left much of a trail of his early life in public records. He said in the 1851 and 1861 censuses that he was born in Bow MDX and the various ages quoted in the censuses and his burial implied he was born about 1783. Unfortunately there is a gap in the Bow registers around that time so I don't have a date for his baptism/birth, always assuming he was baptised. I also don't have proof of his parentage but think it likely he was the eldest child of Joseph CHESSON (c1758-1804) and Elizabeth FULLER (c1753-1797) who married at St Mary Whitechapel on 14 Sep 1782. From 1804 for about 10 years he was a private in the West Kent Militia and I have found him in militia records in many different parts of the country (Jan 1804 Brabourne Lees, Aug Ashford, Nov-Q1 1805 Ramsgate, Q2-Q4 1805 Colchester, Q1 1806 Weeley, Q2 1806-Q1 1808 Woodbridge, Q2/3 1808, Newcastle/T, Q1/2 1809 Sunderland, Q3/4 Tynemouth, Q1 1810 Sunderland, Q4 1810-Q1 1813, Hull, Q2 1812 Leeds, Q3/Q4 1812 Ipswich, Q1/Q3 1813 Norman X, Q4 1813 Knightsbridge, Q1 1814 Chatham, Q2 Maidstone.) I know of five children who I believe to be his but have not been able to find any trace of the baptism of the three I believe to be the eldest - George (b 10 Feb 1809 in Sunderland) Frederic (about 1811, not in Kent), and John (some time between 1806 and 1812, in Woodbridge SFK.) The two youngest, Mary Ann and Caroline, were born after he left the militia and had settled in the Medway towns and their parentage is known from baptismal and other documents. His first wife and the presumed mother of all the above children, died in Rochester on 22 Sep 1842 age 66. In the 1841 census said she wasn't born in Kent. Her forename was Ann. It is possible her maiden name was BEAUMONT as a Thomas BEAUMONT was living in the same household in 1841 who may have been an elder brother. After her death James married a widow Mary Ann HOSMER née BARRETT in 1846. I am also not clear what religious denomination the family had. Mary Ann was baptised and married in C of E churches. Caroline was baptised in St Mary Chatham but died at the age of 3 and was buried in the burial ground of Bethel Wesleyan Chapel in Rochester. There were other links with Methodism as George became a Methodist minister. On the other hand James' 2nd marriage was in an Anglican church - St Margaret's Rochester. What I would like to find out is: 1. Were James' parents Joseph and Elizabeth 2. When exactly was he born and where 3. Might he have been baptised in a church or chapel other than Bow 4. Where and when did he marry his first wife. 5. What was his first wife's maiden name 6. Were George, John and Frederic(k) their children A big 'shopping list' but any help greatly appreciated Nick, member 4108 CHESSON and variants