Stephen Picking up on your last point I wonder if they might be considering putting the data out as part of the phased new GRO indexes. The originals to these of course were part of the DOVE project and that was the paused one referred to in their response in 2011. Being in mind that they are now putting what was completed online themselves it might be worth a further FOI request for an update Regards John Hanson, researcher, the Halsted Trust, http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk New family history conference in 2018 http://www.secretlives.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: GOONS [mailto:goons-bounces+john.hanson=one-name.org@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Daglish Sent: 17 May 2017 09:35 To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: [G] Post 2005 GRO Transcription project Thank you to all those who responded to this. >From those responses, it seems that the general view of members is that these indexes for recent BMD events in England and Wales are not seen as a top priority though many would be interested in collecting this data if access could be provided through a look up service. There seems to be agreement that deaths are the most interesting data. As mentioned, although there is a Guild project to offer look-ups for these records, we currently have no volunteers to do this and the task is not an easy one. We will need to consider how to proceed – and this discussion has been very helpful. If there are other comments, please continue to post or contact me by email. It was mentioned that deaths for England and Wales to 2015 were now on Ancestry. Ancestry has a collection called “England and Wales Death Index 2007-2015” – but this is not the GRO indexes. The source is shown as GreyPower Deceased Data compiled by Wilimington Millennium, West Yorkshire. There was some discussion around this when the record set was launched – it appears data is sourced from Funeral Directors and Obituary Notices. Thanks to Phil for adding the Central Library at Newcastle-upon-Tyne to the list of places where the details are available. This has somehow slipped off our list. A Freedom of Information request made in 2011 received a response which included the following: “The Registrar General has a statutory responsibility to make the indexes available to the public free of charge for searching purposes and this duty is currently discharged via the 7 host sites across England and Wales. These arrangements are expected to continue until such time as we are able to make the indexes available online via GRO’s digitisation project. This project is currently in a pause status and further information will be posted on the Home Office website.” So it would seem that the intention for the longer term is to make these details available online via the GRO website. Details will not be sold or made available to any other sites or data providers. It might be interesting to try to get an update on this position. With best wishes. Stephen Daglish – Volunteers Co-ordinator(4509) _____________________________________________ Information and admin page: http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you to all those who responded to this. >From those responses, it seems that the general view of members is that these indexes for recent BMD events in England and Wales are not seen as a top priority though many would be interested in collecting this data if access could be provided through a look up service. There seems to be agreement that deaths are the most interesting data. As mentioned, although there is a Guild project to offer look-ups for these records, we currently have no volunteers to do this and the task is not an easy one. We will need to consider how to proceed – and this discussion has been very helpful. If there are other comments, please continue to post or contact me by email. It was mentioned that deaths for England and Wales to 2015 were now on Ancestry. Ancestry has a collection called “England and Wales Death Index 2007-2015” – but this is not the GRO indexes. The source is shown as GreyPower Deceased Data compiled by Wilimington Millennium, West Yorkshire. There was some discussion around this when the record set was launched – it appears data is sourced from Funeral Directors and Obituary Notices. Thanks to Phil for adding the Central Library at Newcastle-upon-Tyne to the list of places where the details are available. This has somehow slipped off our list. A Freedom of Information request made in 2011 received a response which included the following: “The Registrar General has a statutory responsibility to make the indexes available to the public free of charge for searching purposes and this duty is currently discharged via the 7 host sites across England and Wales. These arrangements are expected to continue until such time as we are able to make the indexes available online via GRO’s digitisation project. This project is currently in a pause status and further information will be posted on the Home Office website.” So it would seem that the intention for the longer term is to make these details available online via the GRO website. Details will not be sold or made available to any other sites or data providers. It might be interesting to try to get an update on this position. With best wishes. Stephen Daglish – Volunteers Co-ordinator(4509)

I have regularly used the British Library [London] set for both my ONS and my own families. It is hard slow work. The quality of the fiche for some years is poor; the viewers are basic; and the area is within the Social Sciences room, requires a Reader's Ticket and demands use of pencil and paper or laptop. I agree with others that the deaths are most useful, particularly if starting from a probate entry on the England & Wales online index https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills [The current lack of detail on probates since 1996 that used to be available at First Avenue House and Court 38 is another story.] I could do an hour a month on my regular trips to London, but this would produce limited results. David Wharton -----Original Message----- From: John Hanson Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:26 PM To: 'Stephen Daglish' ; goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] GRO Post-2005 BMD Transcription Project Stephen I am not sure that it is now really a practical option A friend recently did the deaths and marriages for the Halstead study. 14 fiche for each option so with births a minimum of 42 for each name. But with my study I ended up with 58 photographs rather than the 28 one would expect as some of the fiche are not particularly clear. It then took my a long time to transcribe the 750 entries. Just my thoughts Regards John Hanson, researcher, the Halsted Trust, http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk New family history conference in 2018 http://www.secretlives.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: GOONS [mailto:goons-bounces+john.hanson=one-name.org@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Daglish Sent: 15 May 2017 21:10 To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: [G] GRO Post-2005 BMD Transcription Project I would appreciate any thoughts on this please. For some time, the Guild has had a project to look up post-2005 Birth Marriage and Death indexes in England and Wales. These indexes are not available online and can only be viewed on microfiche at a small number of locations in the UK: Birmingham Central Library Bridgend Reference and Information Library The British Library City of Westminster Archives Centre Greater Manchester County Record Office Plymouth Central Library For those who live outside the UK, or who are in the UK but not near one of the places where the records are available, it is difficult to access these records. The project was set up to enable entries to be searched and transcribed on behalf of members. The project has a co-ordinator who receives requests for look-ups for registered study names and passes these to a band of volunteers able to visit one of the places and extract the data. However, in practice we do not have these volunteers and the co-ordinator role is vacant - so we have no way to respond to any requests received. We think that this is still a potentially useful service for members, since these are key records for one-namers who have interests in England and Wales, and members who do not live near to the record offices are disadvantaged in terms of accessing these records. But without volunteers, the current process will not work. One suggestion is to try to see if this might work as a look up offer, rather than an ongoing project. If we could find members who are planning visits to one of the record offices and who might have some spare time, then they might make an offer to do some limited look ups. However, it is difficult to estimate the level of work that might be required to fulfil a request. For smaller names this might be manageable but for larger names this can become a significant task - which gets larger as additional years are added. In practice, few requests are currently being received. This may be because members are not aware the service is offered or perhaps there is little interest in these records. Should we seek to continue to offer this service and to look for volunteers who can help? Are there any alternative approaches that we might look at? Any thoughts welcome. Thank you. Stephen Daglish (4509) Volunteers Co-ordinator _____________________________________________ Information and admin page: http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ Information and admin page: http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

As I do not live anywhere near the repositories that hold these microfiche I would be interested in having someone doing a search for my study name MOWFORTH, particularly in the death indexes. I am fortunate in that I have a very small study which predominates in East Yorkshire, with a few scattered elsewhere. I live relatively near the East Riding of Yorkshire Archives and am continuing to search for MOWFORTH records. I would be willing to search for ONS marriage records in exchange. (Yorkshire BMD is a great help) Jackie Carlton (Mowforth@one-name.org) Sent from my iPad

Thanks to everyone who replied.  I found nothing on Deceased Online.  There are some Hors(e)man burials at Hanwell,  but not the ones I was looking for.Also not the ones I was looking for at Abney Park, or Hackney (although other family members were buried there when they lived at Whitechapel).Obviously its not the end of the world not knowing where they are buried, but nice to know Thanks again Sue Horsman3446 Hors(e)man

For information, and completeness, can I point out that the post-2005 BMD Indexes for England and Wales are also held at Newcastle Central Library. Regards, Phil Thirkell On 15/05/2017 21:09, Stephen Daglish wrote: > I would appreciate any thoughts on this please. > > For some time, the Guild has had a project to look up post-2005 Birth Marriage and Death indexes in England and Wales. These indexes are not available online and can only be viewed on microfiche at a small number of locations in the UK: > > Birmingham Central Library > Bridgend Reference and Information Library > The British Library > City of Westminster Archives Centre > Greater Manchester County Record Office > Plymouth Central Library > > For those who live outside the UK, or who are in the UK but not near one of the places where the records are available, it is difficult to access these records. > >

This is, or was, a fantastic service. I, for one, live in Andorra and my visits to the UK are rare. If there are volunteers willing to help this would enhance my Burgum and Burgham One-Name-Study and, yes, is a rare name. If you are suffering few requests, I would like to add myself to the top of the list of requesters! Doug Burgum La Massana, Andorra Researching Burgum and Burgham (plus variants) Worldwide (Originally the family seems to have begun in the Forest of Dean) On 15 May 2017 at 22:09, Stephen Daglish <stephendaglish@btinternet.com> wrote: > I would appreciate any thoughts on this please. > > For some time, the Guild has had a project to look up post-2005 Birth Marriage and Death indexes in England and Wales. These indexes are not available online and can only be viewed on microfiche at a small number of locations in the UK: > > Birmingham Central Library > Bridgend Reference and Information Library > The British Library > City of Westminster Archives Centre > Greater Manchester County Record Office > Plymouth Central Library > > For those who live outside the UK, or who are in the UK but not near one of the places where the records are available, it is difficult to access these records. > > The project was set up to enable entries to be searched and transcribed on behalf of members. The project has a co-ordinator who receives requests for look-ups for registered study names and passes these to a band of volunteers able to visit one of the places and extract the data. > > However, in practice we do not have these volunteers and the co-ordinator role is vacant - so we have no way to respond to any requests received. > > We think that this is still a potentially useful service for members, since these are key records for one-namers who have interests in England and Wales, and members who do not live near to the record offices are disadvantaged in terms of accessing these records. But without volunteers, the current process will not work. > > One suggestion is to try to see if this might work as a look up offer, rather than an ongoing project. If we could find members who are planning visits to one of the record offices and who might have some spare time, then they might make an offer to do some limited look ups. > > However, it is difficult to estimate the level of work that might be required to fulfil a request. For smaller names this might be manageable but for larger names this can become a significant task - which gets larger as additional years are added. > > In practice, few requests are currently being received. This may be because members are not aware the service is offered or perhaps there is little interest in these records. > > > Should we seek to continue to offer this service and to look for volunteers who can help? Are there any alternative approaches that we might look at? > Any thoughts welcome. > > Thank you. > Stephen Daglish (4509) > Volunteers Co-ordinator > _____________________________________________ > > Information and admin page: > http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, On Essex Record Office's SEAX Catalogue I believe there is a Marriage Separation Agreement? 1813 for a Samuel Bawtree and his wife Elizabeth but it is apparently not available online. Can anyone obtain a copy for me please? There could be seven Samuel Bawtrees on my Essex Bawtree tree but confusion reigns regarding which was which when it comes to who they married and their children. The Samuel on this Separation Agreement had married Elizabeth Hyall, Myall or Lyall in 1792 and probably had no children. (There is a marriage in 1794 of a Samuel Bawtree and Ann Gordon, unlikely to be this Samuel.) A Samuel was bapt. to Samuel Bawtry & Lydia 1813 in Norfolk. In 1826 a Samuel Bawtree married Lydia Elvin? and he left a will naming wife Lydia and several children including a Samuel and a Lydia. I am wondering if the Separation Agreement was because of the birth of Samuel in 1813, maybe Elizabeth couldn't produce any children or had mental health problems, that Samuel had Lydia live with him as his wife but they couldn't marry until Elizabeth died. Very much hoping there is an explanation on this Separation Agreement. Also if Elizabeth's maiden name was Lyall (rather than Myall or Hyall) as there was a Lyall, Bawtree Bank and one of Samuel junior's wife's sisters married a Lyall and he brought up her son, (he and his wife had no children) leaving much of his fortune to this nephew. From Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds. E-Mail: merryl.wells@one-name.org GOONS Mem. No. 1757 Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock, Moist/Moyst.

. Hello, Sue and others I agree with what others have said but think I should add just one thing: In 1854? there was an Act of Parliament that prohibited further burials in London [and Westminster] This caused the creation of many "out of town cemeteries" both private and church run. I know that the churches of: St James, Piccadilly, St Martins in the Fields and St Geo. Han. Sq. tried to worked together to create a new "Westminster Cemetery" at Hanwell, which in the 1850's was a rural suburb. The actual cemetery name has changed several times. They appointed the Sexton of St Geo. Han. Sq. to become the Superintendent at Hanwell. And so the new Superintendent moved from Westminster to Hanwell with his young family. He was Mr Thomas Scarman [my GG grandfather] Obviously its much easier to do a web search for the name rather than attempt a search of the many cemetery records. Hope this helps and is of interest. Rod Scarman 3840 . ----- Original Message ----- From: "S Horsman" btinternet.com> To: "rootsweb" rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, 15 May, 2017 10:45:42 Subject: [G] Westminster Burials Can anyone suggest where someone who died in London, Westminster in 1877 may have been buried? Sue Horsman3446 Hors(e)man _____________________________________________ Information and admin page: http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

its the sort of information I'd happily accept if someone found any of my study name, but not the sort of data I would be wanting to actively look for or request. I do however regularly look at websites like iannounce.co.uk, which can give valuable information about recent deaths, marriages and births. I agree that this group isn't a priority. If anyone has more time, I'd like to see more marriage challenges and more contributions generally to the marriage indexes as these are becoming a really important source of data - not just about individuals, but the marriage locator function as well. Corinne Curtis #5579 On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 8:15 PM, Marie Byatt <morris12m@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Like Colin, I don't see this group as a priority. Anyone born after 2005 is still a minor and marriages are most likely young families getting started. If relatives offer me the information to include for their family, I do so but I don't actively search it out. Same with publicly posted info - if it is already on the internet, it's out there and I'll use it - but otherwise I don't go hunting for much after about 1960-70ish. I've got plenty of dead people before that to find first. > > > Marie (GOONS 5318) Bringing the world together one surname at a time. 'A Pepler Name' http://pepler.tribalpages.com 'Hedgerow - the Ancestors' http://cranberry.tribalpages.com Pepler DNA Study http://www.familytreedna.com/public/pepler-ow/ 'Scroops, Scropes and Scroopes' http://dentonlk.tribalpages.com > 'Peplers and Peplows' pepler.one-name.net > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Stephen Daglish <stephendaglish@btinternet.com> > To: "goons@rootsweb.com" <goons@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:56 AM > Subject: [G] GRO Post-2005 BMD Transcription Project > > > > I would appreciate any thoughts on this please. > > > For some time, the Guild has had a project to look up post-2005 Birth Marriage and Death indexes in England and Wales. These indexes are not available online and can only be viewed on microfiche at a small number of locations in the UK: > > > Birmingham Central Library > > Bridgend Reference and Information Library > > The British Library > > City of Westminster Archives Centre > > Greater Manchester County Record Office > > Plymouth Central Library > > > For those who live outside the UK, or who are in the UK but not near one of the places where the records are available, it is difficult to access these records. > > > The project was set up to enable entries to be searched and transcribed on behalf of members. The project has a co-ordinator who receives requests for look-ups for registered study names and passes these to a band of volunteers able to visit one of the places and extract the data. > > > However, in practice we do not have these volunteers and the co-ordinator role is vacant - so we have no way to respond to any requests received. > > > We think that this is still a potentially useful service for members, since these are key records for one-namers who have interests in England and Wales, and members who do not live near to the record offices are disadvantaged in terms of accessing these records. But without volunteers, the current process will not work. > > > One suggestion is to try to see if this might work as a look up offer, rather than an ongoing project. If we could find members who are planning visits to one of the record offices and who might have some spare time, then they might make an offer to do some limited look ups. > > > However, it is difficult to estimate the level of work that might be required to fulfil a request. For smaller names this might be manageable but for larger names this can become a significant task - which gets larger as additional years are added. > > > In practice, few requests are currently being received. This may be because members are not aware the service is offered or perhaps there is little interest in these records. > > > > Should we seek to continue to offer this service and to look for volunteers who can help? Are there any alternative approaches that we might look at? > > Any thoughts welcome. > > > Thank you. > > Stephen Daglish (4509) > > Volunteers Co-ordinator > > _____________________________________________ > > > Information and admin page: > > http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________________________ > > Information and admin page: > http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sue,Try Hanwell Cemetery.Bob Sent from my Samsung device -------- Original message -------- From: Polly Rubery <polly@rowberry.org> Date: 16/05/2017 18:08 (GMT+00:00) To: S Horsman <horsman61@btinternet.com>, goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] Westminster Burials Hi Sue They could have been buried in many places, but probably about the last place would be Westminster (unless they were great and good enough to be burried in the Abbey!). I would try Deceased Online first for them. Kind regards Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "S Horsman" <horsman61@btinternet.com> To: "rootsweb" <goons@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:45 AM Subject: [G] Westminster Burials Can anyone suggest where someone who died in London, Westminster in 1877 may have been buried? Sue Horsman3446 Hors(e)man _____________________________________________ Information and admin page: http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Like Colin, I don't see this group as a priority. Anyone born after 2005 is still a minor and marriages are most likely young families getting started. If relatives offer me the information to include for their family, I do so but I don't actively search it out. Same with publicly posted info - if it is already on the internet, it's out there and I'll use it - but otherwise I don't go hunting for much after about 1960-70ish. I've got plenty of dead people before that to find first. Marie (GOONS 5318) Bringing the world together one surname at a time. 'A Pepler Name' http://pepler.tribalpages.com 'Hedgerow - the Ancestors' http://cranberry.tribalpages.com Pepler DNA Study http://www.familytreedna.com/public/pepler-ow/ 'Scroops, Scropes and Scroopes' http://dentonlk.tribalpages.com 'Peplers and Peplows' pepler.one-name.net ________________________________ From: Stephen Daglish <stephendaglish@btinternet.com> To: "goons@rootsweb.com" <goons@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:56 AM Subject: [G] GRO Post-2005 BMD Transcription Project I would appreciate any thoughts on this please. For some time, the Guild has had a project to look up post-2005 Birth Marriage and Death indexes in England and Wales. These indexes are not available online and can only be viewed on microfiche at a small number of locations in the UK: Birmingham Central Library Bridgend Reference and Information Library The British Library City of Westminster Archives Centre Greater Manchester County Record Office Plymouth Central Library For those who live outside the UK, or who are in the UK but not near one of the places where the records are available, it is difficult to access these records. The project was set up to enable entries to be searched and transcribed on behalf of members. The project has a co-ordinator who receives requests for look-ups for registered study names and passes these to a band of volunteers able to visit one of the places and extract the data. However, in practice we do not have these volunteers and the co-ordinator role is vacant - so we have no way to respond to any requests received. We think that this is still a potentially useful service for members, since these are key records for one-namers who have interests in England and Wales, and members who do not live near to the record offices are disadvantaged in terms of accessing these records. But without volunteers, the current process will not work. One suggestion is to try to see if this might work as a look up offer, rather than an ongoing project. If we could find members who are planning visits to one of the record offices and who might have some spare time, then they might make an offer to do some limited look ups. However, it is difficult to estimate the level of work that might be required to fulfil a request. For smaller names this might be manageable but for larger names this can become a significant task - which gets larger as additional years are added. In practice, few requests are currently being received. This may be because members are not aware the service is offered or perhaps there is little interest in these records. Should we seek to continue to offer this service and to look for volunteers who can help? Are there any alternative approaches that we might look at? Any thoughts welcome. Thank you. Stephen Daglish (4509) Volunteers Co-ordinator _____________________________________________ Information and admin page: http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Any where is possible but Abney park is a large cemetery in London and has an online search function, so worth a go. The website is: http://www.abneypark.org/ and in case you cant find the search, the basic search is at: http://www.devsys.co.uk/ap/ Nikki Brown #6552 Pullum ONS https://pullumons.wordpress.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "S Horsman" <horsman61@btinternet.com> To: "rootsweb" <goons@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, 15 May, 2017 10:45:42 AM Subject: [G] Westminster Burials Can anyone suggest where someone who died in London, Westminster in 1877 may have been buried? Sue Horsman3446 Hors(e)man _____________________________________________ Information and admin page: http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Nikki Brown #6552 Pullum ONS https://pullumons.wordpress.com

I guess these records are not top priority for most. For me it means a trip from Shropshire to Birmingham so really the best part of day so I have not bothered so far. Had they been online they would be in my database. The most useful are deaths so that the individual can be identified online. This is the group most likely to be in reconstructed trees. Marriages are next in priority, less common now but births are of limited interest particularly as many have the mother's name rather than the father's so difficult or impossible to place in a tree. Pre 1837 and worldwide records are more important to me currently. Colin Stevenson

What Tim and John say is good information. However, the major cemetery for Westminster burials was Hanwell Cemetery (formerly known as Westminster Cemetery) and some Westminster residents were also buried at Brookwood. Neither of these have online records. Deceased online does not cover any Westminster records at present. Regards, Peter Armstrong email: godsland@one-name.org Godsland One Name Study Researching GODSLAND, GOSLAND, GOSSLAND & similar variants World Wide Website: http://www.godsland.co.uk Member No.1987 of the Guild of One Name Studies Guild Website http://www.one-name.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hanson" <john.hanson@one-name.org> To: "'S Horsman'" <horsman61@btinternet.com>; <goons@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [G] Westminster Burials > Sue > Your first ports of call should be > > Westminster records on FMP > LMA records on Ancestry in case he was buried in another London church > Deceased online now have most of the major London cemeteries > > Is too early for cremation. > Regards > John Hanson, researcher, the Halsted Trust, > http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk > New family history conference in 2018 http://www.secretlives.org.uk > > -----Original Message----- > From: GOONS [mailto:goons-bounces+john.hanson=one-name.org@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of S Horsman > Sent: 15 May 2017 10:46 > To: rootsweb > Subject: [G] Westminster Burials > > Can anyone suggest where someone who died in London, Westminster in 1877 > may > have been buried? > Sue Horsman3446 Hors(e)man >

Stephen I am not sure that it is now really a practical option A friend recently did the deaths and marriages for the Halstead study. 14 fiche for each option so with births a minimum of 42 for each name. But with my study I ended up with 58 photographs rather than the 28 one would expect as some of the fiche are not particularly clear. It then took my a long time to transcribe the 750 entries. Just my thoughts Regards John Hanson, researcher, the Halsted Trust, http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk New family history conference in 2018 http://www.secretlives.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: GOONS [mailto:goons-bounces+john.hanson=one-name.org@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Daglish Sent: 15 May 2017 21:10 To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: [G] GRO Post-2005 BMD Transcription Project I would appreciate any thoughts on this please. For some time, the Guild has had a project to look up post-2005 Birth Marriage and Death indexes in England and Wales. These indexes are not available online and can only be viewed on microfiche at a small number of locations in the UK: Birmingham Central Library Bridgend Reference and Information Library The British Library City of Westminster Archives Centre Greater Manchester County Record Office Plymouth Central Library For those who live outside the UK, or who are in the UK but not near one of the places where the records are available, it is difficult to access these records. The project was set up to enable entries to be searched and transcribed on behalf of members. The project has a co-ordinator who receives requests for look-ups for registered study names and passes these to a band of volunteers able to visit one of the places and extract the data. However, in practice we do not have these volunteers and the co-ordinator role is vacant - so we have no way to respond to any requests received. We think that this is still a potentially useful service for members, since these are key records for one-namers who have interests in England and Wales, and members who do not live near to the record offices are disadvantaged in terms of accessing these records. But without volunteers, the current process will not work. One suggestion is to try to see if this might work as a look up offer, rather than an ongoing project. If we could find members who are planning visits to one of the record offices and who might have some spare time, then they might make an offer to do some limited look ups. However, it is difficult to estimate the level of work that might be required to fulfil a request. For smaller names this might be manageable but for larger names this can become a significant task - which gets larger as additional years are added. In practice, few requests are currently being received. This may be because members are not aware the service is offered or perhaps there is little interest in these records. Should we seek to continue to offer this service and to look for volunteers who can help? Are there any alternative approaches that we might look at? Any thoughts welcome. Thank you. Stephen Daglish (4509) Volunteers Co-ordinator _____________________________________________ Information and admin page: http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Perhaps the Guild (also the Society of Genealogists and Federation of Family History Societies?) could ask/petition the GRO to provide or sell the microfiche to all Record Offices? It is some time now since they agreed to the below set of Libraries, that they may now be more amenable to the idea of the fiche being more widely distributed. More Members would be able to access them at their local R.O., and offer look-ups for those who cannot reach them. From Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds. E-Mail: merryl.wells@one-name.org GOONS Mem. No. 1757 Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock, Moist/Moyst. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Daglish" <stephendaglish@btinternet.com> To: <goons@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:09 PM Subject: [G] GRO Post-2005 BMD Transcription Project >I would appreciate any thoughts on this please. > > For some time, the Guild has had a project to look up post-2005 Birth > Marriage and Death indexes in England and Wales. These indexes are not > available online and can only be viewed on microfiche at a small number of > locations in the UK: > > Birmingham Central Library > Bridgend Reference and Information Library > The British Library > City of Westminster Archives Centre > Greater Manchester County Record Office > Plymouth Central Library > > For those who live outside the UK, or who are in the UK but not near one > of the places where the records are available, it is difficult to access > these records. > > The project was set up to enable entries to be searched and transcribed on > behalf of members. The project has a co-ordinator who receives requests > for look-ups for registered study names and passes these to a band of > volunteers able to visit one of the places and extract the data. > > However, in practice we do not have these volunteers and the co-ordinator > role is vacant - so we have no way to respond to any requests received. > > We think that this is still a potentially useful service for members, > since these are key records for one-namers who have interests in England > and Wales, and members who do not live near to the record offices are > disadvantaged in terms of accessing these records. But without volunteers, > the current process will not work. > > One suggestion is to try to see if this might work as a look up offer, > rather than an ongoing project. If we could find members who are planning > visits to one of the record offices and who might have some spare time, > then they might make an offer to do some limited look ups. > > However, it is difficult to estimate the level of work that might be > required to fulfil a request. For smaller names this might be manageable > but for larger names this can become a significant task - which gets > larger as additional years are added. > > In practice, few requests are currently being received. This may be > because members are not aware the service is offered or perhaps there is > little interest in these records. > > > Should we seek to continue to offer this service and to look for > volunteers who can help? Are there any alternative approaches that we > might look at? > Any thoughts welcome. > > Thank you. > Stephen Daglish (4509) > Volunteers Co-ordinator > _____________________________________________ > > Information and admin page: > http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Sue Your first ports of call should be Westminster records on FMP LMA records on Ancestry in case he was buried in another London church Deceased online now have most of the major London cemeteries Is too early for cremation. Regards John Hanson, researcher, the Halsted Trust, http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk New family history conference in 2018 http://www.secretlives.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: GOONS [mailto:goons-bounces+john.hanson=one-name.org@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of S Horsman Sent: 15 May 2017 10:46 To: rootsweb Subject: [G] Westminster Burials Can anyone suggest where someone who died in London, Westminster in 1877 may have been buried? Sue Horsman3446 Hors(e)man _____________________________________________ Information and admin page: http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Basically in theory could be any where in the Country. E.g. a Griffith Roscoe Howell died in Aberdare, Wales - Merthyr Tydfil , RD in 1877 but is buried in Torquay Cemetery in Devon. So without checking every large Cemetery in and around London first, would be almost impossible to say where they might be buried. I know this doesn't help, but unless you know that all family ties are London, then Yes you could be looking else where in the Country. Also don't forget that where they died is not necessarily where they were living, so would always check, the Cemeteries and Crematoriums around where they lived first. Tim Treeby (7112) On 15/05/2017 10:45, S Horsman wrote: > Can anyone suggest where someone who died in London, Westminster in 1877 may have been buried? > Sue Horsman3446 Hors(e)man > > _____________________________________________ > > Information and admin page: > http://one-name.org/guild-information-administration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi Sue They could have been buried in many places, but probably about the last place would be Westminster (unless they were great and good enough to be burried in the Abbey!). I would try Deceased Online first for them. Kind regards Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "S Horsman" <horsman61@btinternet.com> To: "rootsweb" <goons@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:45 AM Subject: [G] Westminster Burials Can anyone suggest where someone who died in London, Westminster in 1877 may have been buried? Sue Horsman3446 Hors(e)man