As it happens one of our Parish Priests is Chaplain to the Buffs Regimental Assoc'n and a battlefield guide to WW1 battlefields; he is very knowledgeable and tells me that the "Notice" referred to was handed to the recruit when he attested, he had to read it and acknowledge that he had done so. Fr K likened the "Notice" to terms and conditions of enlistment! Regards, Bob ---------------------------------------- > To: goons@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 08:04:39 +0000 > Subject: Re: [G] Army attestation papers > From: goons@rootsweb.com > > The recent messages about the Derby Scheme are very interesting. My > grandfather apparently enlisted in this way in 1915, but it was some years > before he was sent to the front. Unfortunately, his officer's war service > record has not survived. Does anyone know if the detail of the Derby Scheme > census survived? I have searched the TNA web site, but I can't see any sign > of it. > > Best wishes, > > Marion Woolgar > Bognor Regis, West Sussex > Guild ONS No: 1739 > > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Fiona If you have a look at Rennison's List (link below) there are 29 named websites for Police, but unfortunately none for Liverpool. Ireland, South Yorkshire, Manchester, Metropolitan etc. but not Liverpool. But have a look anyway you may find a link somewhere on there. Rennison Rennison's List on http://www.upperdalesfhg.org.uk/rennisons.htm The Vayro Ancestry on http://www.vayro.name Vayro Database on http://vayro.tribalpages.com Vayro Guild of One-Name Studies Profile http://one-name.org/name_profile/vayro/ http://www.rennisonprimarydesigntechnology.info Searching for VAYRO, VARO, VARAH and variations worldwide On Thursday, 20 November 2014, 11:05, Fíona Tipple via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > >I have two brothers (probably) - Patrick and William Dignan born in Co. Mayo - recorded in the 1911 census in Liverpool, both giving their occupation as “police constable”. > >Does anyone know if records for police personnel in Liverpool in this period exist? And if so, where might they be? > >Fiona >— >5538 - Duignan & variants >_____________________________________________ > >RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Yes I am and will reply when I am home. Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney -----Original Message----- From: goons-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:goons-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fíona Tipple via Sent: Tuesday, 18 November 2014 10:54 PM To: MILLARD A.R.; goons@rootsweb.com list Subject: Re: [G] Ireland surname question - CULLODEN Andrew, > > It looks to me as if this is the anglicisation of an Irish name by assimilation to a familiar word, but only after the 1746 battle had made it a common word in English. Plotting the distributions of Colleton and Culloden in the Tithe Applotments (via http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/surname/) Culloden appears on the fringes of the Colleton distribution, though the Dublin Cullodens don't appear in that survey (it only covered some agricultural labourers). > The Tithe Applotment Books didn’t just cover agricultural labourers, it covered occupiers - whatever their walk in life - of any *agricultural land* that was liable to tithe (some was exempt). That’s why there aren’t any assessments for large towns and cities, though there are for some country towns - Nenagh in county Tipperary springs to mind. Thanks for following up on Colleton - I only threw it out as a suggestion. Might be interesting to follow up … are you listening, Valerie? Fiona _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

The following website could be helpful. It has BDM records for British and other English-speaking residents in these countries. I found a number of New Zealanders but no Corners. http://www.argbrit.org/ Ann McDonald Corner ONS

Hi All, Trying to 'match up' people in a 'ProQuest Obituaries' list of MING*Y I have made some progress, especially 'navigating' around New York. In doing so I have come across a Lawerence/Laurence MINGEY, b.1844, IRELAND and many of his desecendants, well sort of as there are many questions yet to be answered. Now up to now (after 25 years of reseach) there have been no indication of the MING*Y surname occurring in Ireland, but it is quite clear that is no longer the case, Ancestry.co.uk has given me the baptism of Laurence MINGY as 29 Apr 1844, the son of Edward MINGY & Rose (nee HAND), together with many other children, however no other information is forthcoming regarding EDWARD MINGY. So searching around for Irish Church Records I have come across IrishGeneaology which requires subsciption of £20 for one month. Hence my first question is 'will it be worth my subscribing' in order to get further data on EDWARD MINGY &/or his ancestors and secondly is there an Irish surname list so that I might ascertain whether MINGY is MINGY or an variation of another name? Regards Tony Anthony John MINGAY, now in NZ once of Kent & Suffolk, England but still researching Worldwide the surname MINGAY & its variants. http://www.mingayhistory.co.uk.

I have two brothers (probably) - Patrick and William Dignan born in Co. Mayo - recorded in the 1911 census in Liverpool, both giving their occupation as “police constable”. Does anyone know if records for police personnel in Liverpool in this period exist? And if so, where might they be? Fiona — 5538 - Duignan & variants

Tony, You’ve got your services confused! (1) Irishgenealogy.ie is FREE - derive is run the the Department of Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht. It has, inter alia, transcriptions, many with images, of parish records for Dublin city, and parts of counties Kerry, Cork and Carlow. The PAY site is RootsIreland.ie which costs €25.00 per month for up to (I think) 1,000 downloads of parish and other records, but these are transcriptions ONLY, for almost all counties on the island of Ireland. You can do an initial (very!) search for free. I had a quick look at both sites, and found Elizabeth Mingy, daughter of William Mingy and Mary Mullen, baptised on 19 November 1849 in St Nicholas parish, in Dublin, on Irishgenealogy.ie; there is a digital image of this record. This is the only record I turned up - no Lawrence. I’d suggest that you check this site out yourself, though. I found no Ming*ys on RootsIreland, though it did suggest that there might be entry for an Edward M*ng*y in Griffith’s Valuation. I’d guess that the surname here is probably Mongey though - which might be true of your Lawrence as well. Was there an image with the Ancestry record? Hope this helps. Fiona — 5538 - Dublin & variants On 20 Nov 2014, at 01:44, mingay via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi All, > Trying to 'match up' people in a 'ProQuest Obituaries' list of > MING*Y I have made some progress, especially 'navigating' around New York. > In doing so I have come across a Lawerence/Laurence MINGEY, b.1844, IRELAND > and many of his desecendants, well sort of as there are many questions yet > to be answered. Now up to now (after 25 years of reseach) there have been no > indication of the MING*Y surname occurring in Ireland, but it is quite clear > that is no longer the case, Ancestry.co.uk has given me the baptism of > Laurence MINGY as 29 Apr 1844, the son of Edward MINGY & Rose (nee HAND), > together with many other children, however no other information is > forthcoming regarding EDWARD MINGY. So searching around for Irish Church > Records I have come across IrishGeneaology which requires subsciption of £20 > for one month. > Hence my first question is 'will it be worth my subscribing' in order to get > further data on EDWARD MINGY &/or his ancestors and secondly is there an > Irish surname list so that I might ascertain whether MINGY is MINGY or an > variation of another name? > > Regards Tony > Anthony John MINGAY, now in NZ once of Kent & Suffolk, England but still > researching Worldwide the surname MINGAY & its variants. > http://www.mingayhistory.co.uk. > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I can trace back on all the lines of my grandchildren and half of them are early French Candian. A lot of matches are available on My Heritage for French Canadian research. Any brickwalls have a lot of people working on them so I really like the site. Find the occasional match for my direct lines but I am pretty much the only one tracing my lines. I find it good value for the money. Also subscribe to world ancestry and find my past. Always lots of information available at my fingertips which I really like. Handy for Blake my one name study, occasionally good for Pincombe my other one name study. Record Offices are not available to me in Canada unless I fly to places and people are on My Heritage from around the world. All sites have a lot of misinformation but the first couple of generations in any tree often let you see into their line which is very helpful. Sorry for the delay life has been busy! Elizabeth Kipp 4600 On 15 Nov 2014, at 01:48, Valerie Barbara Garton via <goons@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > >> Could I have some comments as to whether members consider paying for a membership of MyHeritage worthwhile please ? Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney

The recent messages about the Derby Scheme are very interesting. My grandfather apparently enlisted in this way in 1915, but it was some years before he was sent to the front. Unfortunately, his officer's war service record has not survived. Does anyone know if the detail of the Derby Scheme census survived? I have searched the TNA web site, but I can't see any sign of it. Best wishes, Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex Guild ONS No: 1739

Bob There was a form of conscription in place in 1915, prior to the Military Act of 1916. It was known as the "Derby Scheme". I suspect your man's "notice" was referring to that. Details are available at http://www.1914-1918.net/derbyscheme.html Regards Nigel Osborne

Good evening all, (if you are in the UK), presumably good day if you are elsewhere .... Looking at my grandfathers WW1 Attestation papers from 1915 I see that question 10 asks if he received "a Notice" and understood it and who he received it from. My first thought was whether they were call-up papers but this was 1915 prior to conscription and he had no previous military service so he couldn't have been in the reserves. This appears to be a standard sort of form as we have found it used for pre-war enlistment as well. Can any military history buff tell me what the "Notice" would have been please? Regards, Bob

Andrew, > > It looks to me as if this is the anglicisation of an Irish name by assimilation to a familiar word, but only after the 1746 battle had made it a common word in English. Plotting the distributions of Colleton and Culloden in the Tithe Applotments (via http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/surname/) Culloden appears on the fringes of the Colleton distribution, though the Dublin Cullodens don't appear in that survey (it only covered some agricultural labourers). > The Tithe Applotment Books didn’t just cover agricultural labourers, it covered occupiers - whatever their walk in life - of any *agricultural land* that was liable to tithe (some was exempt). That’s why there aren’t any assessments for large towns and cities, though there are for some country towns - Nenagh in county Tipperary springs to mind. Thanks for following up on Colleton - I only threw it out as a suggestion. Might be interesting to follow up … are you listening, Valerie? Fiona

I little side note clarification is that the maps at Irish Times 'Irish Ancestors' site depict the later Griffith's Valuation (1847-64) distribution as opposed to the Tithe Applotments, which I think were sketchier. The GV did include Dublin. If you search Culledon here you'll find them in Kildare and a Culloden landlord in Dublin. http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/ Martha Guild #5048

Many thanks to all those who responded to my -mail. I will not be subscribing. Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney -----Original Message----- From: goons-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:goons-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Richard Scantlebury via Sent: Sunday, 16 November 2014 6:59 AM To: 'Corinne Curtis'; goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] MyHeritage membership - US109 Like the others I didn't renew my MyHeritage subscription, however I did try Wikitree but was extremely unimpressed with the whole setup and removed everything I either put on or attempted to put on. Best Wishes and Kind Regards Rich Scantlebury www.scantlebury.talktalk.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/richscats http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Scantlebury/ -----Original Message----- From: goons-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:goons-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Corinne Curtis via Sent: 15 November 2014 17:49 To: Valerie Barbara Garton; goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] MyHeritage membership - US109 I have a limited budget for subscriptions and prefer to stick with ancestry worldwide. I will also get a year of either findmypast (British only) or the Britishnewspaperarchive periodically, but I don't keep those going all the time. I've chosen not to subscribe to sites like myheritage. I did get the free offer via GOONS when it was offered some time ago, and I didn't think it gave me significant extra to make it worth while to continue with it. For family tree sharing, I've decided I'm going to work more with wikitree now - seems to have far more potential for collaborative and well researched and sourced work. Corinne Curtis #5579 On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 1:48 AM, Valerie Barbara Garton via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Could I have some comments as to whether members consider paying for a > membership of MyHeritage worthwhile please ? > > Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney > > _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

I have never been able to find out anything about the surname CULLODEN. The surname has never been found in Scotland. Any suggestions please ? Also is there any way of putting Culloden in my signature that will not come up in Outlook searches please ? Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

> From: Fíona Tipple via > Sent: 17 November 2014 16:01 > > What makes you think it might be Irish? It's not a surname I've ever > heard here (not that that proves anything!), and is not recorded as an > Irish surname by either MacLysaght or Woulfe. It's not in the Irish > phone book either. > > It could be masking an Irish surname I suppose - MacLysaght mentions the > name (Mac) Culleton/Colleton, from Irish Mac Codlatain, which *might* > transmogrify itself into Culloden outside Ireland, but I doubt it. The 18th century occurrences of the name seem almost all to be in Ireland, and particularly Dublin. There are more parish register entries for Culloden in the Dublin records indexed on churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ than in all the English records on FamilySearch. But all of them are after 1750. There are two London foundling christenings in 1746 (it seems likely they were named for the battle on 16 Apr 1746) and a Fleet marriage in 1726. Valerie's tree on Ancestry has no documented Irish events before 1749. It looks to me as if this is the anglicisation of an Irish name by assimilation to a familiar word, but only after the 1746 battle had made it a common word in English. Plotting the distributions of Colleton and Culloden in the Tithe Applotments (via http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/surname/) Culloden appears on the fringes of the Colleton distribution, though the Dublin Cullodens don't appear in that survey (it only covered some agricultural labourers). So I think Fiona's hypothesis of Colleton as the origin might well be correct, but it would take more evidence to be certain. Best wishes Andrew -- Andrew Millard - A.R.Millard@durham.ac.uk Chair, Trustees of Genuki: www.genuki.org.uk Maintainer, Genuki Middx + London: www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/MDX/ + ../LND/ Academic Co-ordinator, Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Bodimeade one-name study: community.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/Bodimeade/ My genealogy: community.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/

In fact there were more Scots in the British army than in the Jacobite forces. And, a great deal of the atrocities perpetrated against Highlanders after the battle were carried out by Scots. Nick Serpell Sent from my iPad > On 17 Nov 2014, at 21:12, June Willing via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Richard > > The Battle of Culloden was not fought between England and Scotland. It > was 1745, not the 15th century, and both countries had the same > parliament and monarch. > > It was fought between the British Army and the Jacobites, who wanted > Britain to be ruled by the Stewarts. > > You are not the only one to make such a mistake, but there is no point > in perpetuating historical myths. > > June Willing > Guild of One-Name Studies member no 2117 > Willing/Willings One-Name Study > http://one-name.org/name_profile/Willing/ > Willing/Willings DNA Project > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Willing/ > Dominicus One-Name Study > http://one-name.org/name_profile/dominicus-2/ > > > > >> On 17 Nov 2014, at 19:42, Richard Hooke via wrote: >> >> Hi Fiona ,Valerie >> I am easily side tracked by curiosity, you never know when it >> might help >> your own lines. >> To me Culloden is an England Scotland battle(wiki? gives gaelic >> chuil logair >> (? my spelling) > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Richard The Battle of Culloden was not fought between England and Scotland. It was 1745, not the 15th century, and both countries had the same parliament and monarch. It was fought between the British Army and the Jacobites, who wanted Britain to be ruled by the Stewarts. You are not the only one to make such a mistake, but there is no point in perpetuating historical myths. June Willing Guild of One-Name Studies member no 2117 Willing/Willings One-Name Study http://one-name.org/name_profile/Willing/ Willing/Willings DNA Project http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Willing/ Dominicus One-Name Study http://one-name.org/name_profile/dominicus-2/ On 17 Nov 2014, at 19:42, Richard Hooke via wrote: > Hi Fiona ,Valerie > I am easily side tracked by curiosity, you never know when it > might help > your own lines. > To me Culloden is an England Scotland battle(wiki? gives gaelic > chuil logair > (? my spelling)

On Mon, 17 Nov 2014 11:17:09 -0000, Gordon Adshead via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Some may be interested to know of my experience with a new toy - the > IRIScan mouse. {Google} I've been pleased and impressed with mine. The only comment I'd make is that it may not be good (I've not played exhaustively) for scanning right to the edge of a page. As well as the scanning window, it has two position sensors (a 'normal mouse has just one) so it can register rotation as well as position. If any sensor runs off the page and the page shifts slightly on the surface below, then registration will be lost. That said, I've found it copes very satisfactorily with the normal margins on a printed sheet. = Malcolm. -- Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk> GENUKI trustee <genuki@weald.org.uk> Pedigree User Group <chairman@pugweb.org.uk> Oxfordshire FHS <webmaster@ofhs.org.uk> FFHS Communications Officer <communications@ffhs.org.uk>

Hi Fiona ,Valerie I am easily side tracked by curiosity, you never know when it might help your own lines. To me Culloden is an England Scotland battle(wiki? gives gaelic chuil logair (? my spelling) Family search has an intriguing entry for Partick Culloden of Dublin with a few variations in spelling.(Scotland search) On other search sites Cullodens appear in the USA ,Lancashire and West Yorkshire(and I believe the 1745 rebellion fizzled out in around Lancashire). The other interesting line seemed to be Lancashire emigrants to the Far East(India,Burma) Final comment.The only Scottish born Cullodens I found were William Gibb Culloden born Greenock with an American mother and father out in Rangoon. A pleasant hours sidetrack.thank you Back to Devon bmds Regard Richard -----Original Message----- From: goons-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:goons-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fíona Tipple via Sent: 17 November 2014 16:01 To: Valerie Barbara Garton; goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] Ireland surname question - CULLODEN Valerie, What makes you think it might be Irish? It’s not a surname I’ve ever heard here (not that that proves anything!), and is not recorded as an Irish surname by either MacLysaght or Woulfe. It’s not in the Irish phone book either. It could be masking an Irish surname I suppose - MacLysaght mentions the name (Mac) Culleton/Colleton, from Irish Mac Codlatain, which *might* transmogrify itself into Culloden outside Ireland, but I doubt it. Fiona — 5538 - Duignan & variants On 17 Nov 2014, at 12:09, Valerie Barbara Garton via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I have never been able to find out anything about the surname > CULLODEN. The surname has never been found in Scotland. Any suggestions please ? > > Also is there any way of putting Culloden in my signature that will > not come up in Outlook searches please ? > > Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney > > _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message