signed up and downloaded it, not very impressed crashed twice and very slow to respond On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 10:38 AM, W Paul Featherstone via < goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I have signed up to take a look, it's still in beta > > Paul > 2627 > On 23/11/2014 10:32, Fíona Tipple via wrote: > > Did anyone else pick up on this in EOGN this morning? > > > > http://www.rootstrust.com/ > > > > It looks very interesting, especially given its cross-platform > availability. > > > > Has anyone heard of the developer? > > > > Fiona > > -- > > 5538 - Duignan etc. > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Tony I find that a DNA project is a useful way to explore variant spellings. I include variants in my DNA project that are not included in my one-name study. A DNA project does not have to be a lot of work. You can just set up a project and run it on a passive basis. The Mingey/Mingay surnames do not appear to be that common so you would not expect to have that many participants. Susan Meates, the Guild's DNA Adviser, can do all the hard work for you and do the project set up. You can have a project with zero participants. You can contact Susan by e-mailing her at dna@one-name.org. Don't forget too that Guild members can buy 37-marker Y-DNA kits at the special sale price all year round: http://www.one-name.org/members/sales/DNAkits.html It's a good idea to at least get a DNA project set up, even if it's not something you want to work on for the moment. Family Tree DNA, like the Guild, only allow one project for each surname and for very good reasons. However, this means that if you don't grab your name while you have the chance you might well find that if you change your mind in a few years' time someone else will already have taken your name. A lot of Guild names get listed, sometimes inappropriately, as variant spellings in other DNA projects. It can then be very difficult to get control back of your surname, though again this is something that Susan can help with. It's far better to stake your claim from the outset. Best wishes Debbie Kennett http://cruwys.blogspot.co.uk http://one-name.org/name_profile/cruwys http://www.familytreedna.com/public/CruwysDNA

Like all genealogy researchers, I have found that there are several spellings for my one-name study of LANDYMORE. Most variants are due to what the recorder thought was being pronounced and they are, in my case, strongly influenced by local accents and/or illiteracy. Or, indeed, by errors of the transcribers who cannot read handwriting styles so that, for example, the initial 'L' is transcribed on census returns as 'S'. In order to avoid confusion, from the mid 19th century onwards, I have used the spelling preferred by their recent descendants in each family group. I have indicated in the introduction to my BMDs & transcribed documents, the variants and their likely location in the UK and overseas. Given the current issues of personal information security, am I correct in assuming that I cannot list BMDs later than 1914 when I deposit all this information, It is a pity as I have family information for one branch with a lot of partners & single parents which will be very difficult to unravel in the future. Lauretta Harris 3434

Please excuse a rather brief response. The research can either carry on or become an independent study. That is the beauty of the Guild. The material can be an appendix to the main study & overtime perhaps become a study in its own right, undertaken by the same registrant or by someone else entirely. The new facility to add a surname interest could be used here. & if someone new contacts the interested party then a collaboration approach could be adopted or a decision made as to whether to register the other name or not. There is one Orlando in the 1881 Census index. Overtime I researched that line, from Jersey Channel Islands & discovered that the name was in fact Deslandes. I have no interest in researching that name, but if someone registers the name in the future then I will pass the papers along to them. Regards Julie Goucher Guild member 3925 Sent from my iPhone  > On 23 Nov 2014, at 15:06, Christopher Gray via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Many thanks Fiona > > "... the Irish surname MONGEY/MUNGAY is an anglicization of the Gaelic Irish > surname O Mongaigh;" > > This poses an interesting question. A one-name study is looking at a name - > but what happens if it becomes anglicised or francocised or Americanised or > whatever? Does the study stop there or does it proceed with the new name? > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: goons-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:goons-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Fíona Tipple via > Sent: 23 November 2014 10:07 > To: Christopher Gray; goons@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [G] Puzzled? > > Tony, Chris > > I think it’s important to remember that the Irish surname MONGEY/MUNGAY is > an anglicization of the Gaelic Irish surname O Mongaigh; according to > MacLysaght it’s a Co. Meath name. There similar-sounding, but unrelated > names such as Mangan and Mongan. > > And I’m sorry Marie, I don’t think that there is *any* Breton connection! > What I do think is that assimilation can happen in two directions, > especially with emigrant families - MONGEYS can become MINGEYS, and vice > versa. As Chris says MINGEY-fied MONGEYS are only of interest to you from > the point that they became MINGEY, and then only if you decide it’s > appropriate. I took the decision only to follow DAGNAN where I was certain > that the progenitor of the specific line had started life as DUIGNAN/DEGNAN/ > … . I had included DAGNAN in my variants list, but now that I have decided > to restrict the families that I’m going to follow, I will probably remove > it. > > But it really is an interesting problem - when is the name NOT the name! > > Fiona > > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks Fiona "... the Irish surname MONGEY/MUNGAY is an anglicization of the Gaelic Irish surname O Mongaigh;" This poses an interesting question. A one-name study is looking at a name - but what happens if it becomes anglicised or francocised or Americanised or whatever? Does the study stop there or does it proceed with the new name? Chris -----Original Message----- From: goons-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:goons-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fíona Tipple via Sent: 23 November 2014 10:07 To: Christopher Gray; goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] Puzzled? Tony, Chris I think it’s important to remember that the Irish surname MONGEY/MUNGAY is an anglicization of the Gaelic Irish surname O Mongaigh; according to MacLysaght it’s a Co. Meath name. There similar-sounding, but unrelated names such as Mangan and Mongan. And I’m sorry Marie, I don’t think that there is *any* Breton connection! What I do think is that assimilation can happen in two directions, especially with emigrant families - MONGEYS can become MINGEYS, and vice versa. As Chris says MINGEY-fied MONGEYS are only of interest to you from the point that they became MINGEY, and then only if you decide it’s appropriate. I took the decision only to follow DAGNAN where I was certain that the progenitor of the specific line had started life as DUIGNAN/DEGNAN/ … . I had included DAGNAN in my variants list, but now that I have decided to restrict the families that I’m going to follow, I will probably remove it. But it really is an interesting problem - when is the name NOT the name! Fiona

Thanks Susan, Interesting site. Fiona On 23 Nov 2014, at 13:06, Susan Atkins via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Folks > > I have seen several websites quoted in response to Fiona's enquiry but > this website is dedicated to the history of Liverpool City Police > http://liverpoolcitypolice.co.uk/ > > Also, for information, there are no personnel records for Liverpool City > Police but there are Minutes of the Watch Committee which can include > individual information at Liverpool Record Office > > Kind Regards > Susan > Susan Atkins > 1961 > > On 20/11/2014 11:05, Fíona Tipple via wrote: >> I have two brothers (probably) - Patrick and William Dignan born in Co. Mayo - recorded in the 1911 census in Liverpool, both giving their occupation as “police constable”. >> >> Does anyone know if records for police personnel in Liverpool in this period exist? And if so, where might they be? >> >> Fiona >> — >> 5538 - Duignan & variants >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> . >> >> >> -- >> Susan A Atkins >> Guild of One-Name Studies 1961 >> scotchmer@one-name.org >> http://one-name.org/name_profile/scotchmer/ >> Lancashire Regional Representative >> rep-lancashire@one-name.org > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Folks I have seen several websites quoted in response to Fiona's enquiry but this website is dedicated to the history of Liverpool City Police http://liverpoolcitypolice.co.uk/ Also, for information, there are no personnel records for Liverpool City Police but there are Minutes of the Watch Committee which can include individual information at Liverpool Record Office Kind Regards Susan Susan Atkins 1961 On 20/11/2014 11:05, Fíona Tipple via wrote: > I have two brothers (probably) - Patrick and William Dignan born in Co. Mayo - recorded in the 1911 census in Liverpool, both giving their occupation as “police constable”. > > Does anyone know if records for police personnel in Liverpool in this period exist? And if so, where might they be? > > Fiona > — > 5538 - Duignan & variants > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > . > > > -- > Susan A Atkins > Guild of One-Name Studies 1961 > scotchmer@one-name.org > http://one-name.org/name_profile/scotchmer/ > Lancashire Regional Representative > rep-lancashire@one-name.org

I agree with Debbie about getting a DNA project set up, and no need to assume that a DNA project will necessarily grow quickly. Mine is rather small for the 10 years I've been actively working on it. One thing it clearly shows are the variants within family groups. Examples: All four of the Ireland subgroups with more than one member show both Bowe and Bowes, one also has a Bows but he hasn't joined. The Scots-Irish group has Bowes, Boas and Bowers. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/bowes/default.aspx?section=yresults Martha Bowes Guild #5048

I'm another one with variant problems - Sinnott,Synnott being the main ones in Ireland (but possibly starting off as Synad), Sennett being my original interest with my own line of Sennetts changing from Sinnott, but other Sennetts appearing to originate independently (sometimes with geographic links that might hint to very early connections), Sinnett linking strongly to Sinnott (and Synad, via Wales), plus needing to look into Sennitt, Sinnatt and others because spelling and transcription errors keep getting them mixed up. Add to that the anglicised versions of Sinet, Sinot, Sinitisky, etc, and some confusion with Stinnett, Stennett, Slennett, and it makes it a right mess of a study. Sennett was manageable in terms of numbers and the first name I registered, but with the Irish ancestry of my own line being Sinnott I really had to include that name, and that has magnified the size of my study considerably. Even the SENNITT group that I thought was going to be a nicely bounded separate group is now hinting at connections to Sl-nn-t or St-nn-t. I'm still unsure of the boundaries of my study, so just work on what interests me - which at the moment is anyone whose families currently use Sinnott, Sinnett, Sennett, Synnott or Sennitt, tracing back each line either as far as I can go, or until it reaches the generation where it was obviously anglicised from something quite different. There is definitely no chance of a single common ancestor in my study though, and even the Irish S-NN-Ts appear to come from at least two completely different origins (one line that carries the Irish modal haplotype and the other with an E3B haplotype that appears to be originating from the immigrants to Co Wexford around the 12th century with Flemish origins). So no easy answers Tony. Just go with your gut feeling, but if you chose not to investigate these other spellings, perhaps put a note to that effect on your study profile page to leave it open for someone else to pick up those. Corinne Curtis Sennett ONS #5579 On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 10:44 PM, mingay via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi All, > Having 'found' many MINGEY families in the USA Censuses who claim > they orginated (c.1830/1840 ish) in Ireland where apparently some of the > same people have had their name transcribed as MONGEY/MINGY. Note that 'they > carry the spelling as MINGEY through to c 1940 in USA > Obviously if MINGY/MINGEY that would 'fall' within my registered surname > researches but what if it is actually MONGEY, do I 'follow' that path? > Remembering there are very few images of original data so that I can not > check the correctness of the transcription, also note this is the first > time anything like MINGAY/MINGEY/MINGY has been asscociated with Ireland. > I can see that DNA might help but that could a be BIG project for me. > At the moment the whole research/follow up has been put on the 'back-burner' > because of its 'puzzlement'. > Any advice on the way forward would be grateful received. > > Regards Tony > Anthony John MINGAY, now in NZ once of Kent & Suffolk, England but still > researching Worldwide the surname MINGAY & its variants. > http://www.mingayhistory.co.uk. > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, Having 'found' many MINGEY families in the USA Censuses who claim they orginated (c.1830/1840 ish) in Ireland where apparently some of the same people have had their name transcribed as MONGEY/MINGY. Note that 'they carry the spelling as MINGEY through to c 1940 in USA Obviously if MINGY/MINGEY that would 'fall' within my registered surname researches but what if it is actually MONGEY, do I 'follow' that path? Remembering there are very few images of original data so that I can not check the correctness of the transcription, also note this is the first time anything like MINGAY/MINGEY/MINGY has been asscociated with Ireland. I can see that DNA might help but that could a be BIG project for me. At the moment the whole research/follow up has been put on the 'back-burner' because of its 'puzzlement'. Any advice on the way forward would be grateful received. Regards Tony Anthony John MINGAY, now in NZ once of Kent & Suffolk, England but still researching Worldwide the surname MINGAY & its variants. http://www.mingayhistory.co.uk.

Thomas In order to participate in the hangouts you need to be in the Guild Community on Google+ to receive the invitations. I've sent you an invitation on behalf of the Guild. It is a private community so it will not show up in search results. The hangouts are normally recorded but sometimes there are glitches as there were this month. You can find all the past recordings, where available, on the Guild's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/GuildOneNameStudies There are a few gaps. I seem to remember that there are a couple hangouts which had to be privatised because the presentations included information about living people so these will not be shown on the public channel. There are also a few occasions where the host forgot to press the record button. We are all human and these things do happen! There are also links to some of the hangouts on the Guild's Bulletin Board in a dedicated hangout thread: http://bb.one-name.org/ Once the Guild Wiki is up and running on the new website I will create a new page to list all the hangouts and embed all the videos. We have had some very helpful presentations in the hangouts some of which deserve a wider airing. Best wishes Debbie Kennett Member no. 4554 Cruwys/Cruse/Cruise one-name study Social Networking Coordinator -----Original Message----- From: goons-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:goons-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Dewing via Sent: 23 November 2014 1:14 To: GOONS Subject: [G] Google+ and Hangout Greetings Can someone help...? In Oct. I tried to view the Hangout. All I got was a flashing green screen and some audio. Later I could view, after it was over. In Nov. I tried to watch the hangout, all I get is a message that the Hangout was a "private" site. I give up with the Hangouts...... Thomas D -- NFHS #4147 tadewing@sasktel.net GOONS #5463 thomas.dewing@one-name.org

I have just got two TOLL tee-shirts, one each for Jean & I, but sadly her VANT name isn't listed :( However, if to put your surname of interest in the search box... ...you get a lot of interesting images. For TOLL I got three pages worth, including 3 coats of arms I hadn't seen previously (English, German, & Austrian). Clicking on the image takes you to an order screen. Clicking on the image again brings up an image of the artwork. Right click on the image and you can "save as" (in Chrome). The images were about 64K, so quite usable <grin> So 2 T-shirts and 3 images - thanks Gordon. Kind Regards, Ken On 23 November 2014 at 10:59, NIKKI BROWN via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I thought you were going to say "its a Surname thing...." much more suitable for GOONS. Its a Brown thing sounds a bit suspect & Pullum will be missed out I'm sure > Nikki Brown > #6552 (Pullum ONS) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christina Luckings via" <goons@rootsweb.com> > To: goons@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, 23 November, 2014 9:57:51 AM > Subject: Re: [G] Its a SURNAME thing - You wouldn't understand > > I haven't had an alert, but then they seem to have leaps over Luckings > (too small a demographic) and gone to March - which is way too common a > word for a Google Alert. > Shan't be purchasing, though. I don't like t-shirt necklines, and prefer > a collar. > > Christina March Luckings > 5303 > Luckings and March (forever!) > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I thought you were going to say "its a Surname thing...." much more suitable for GOONS. Its a Brown thing sounds a bit suspect & Pullum will be missed out I'm sure Nikki Brown #6552 (Pullum ONS) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christina Luckings via" <goons@rootsweb.com> To: goons@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 23 November, 2014 9:57:51 AM Subject: Re: [G] Its a SURNAME thing - You wouldn't understand I haven't had an alert, but then they seem to have leaps over Luckings (too small a demographic) and gone to March - which is way too common a word for a Google Alert. Shan't be purchasing, though. I don't like t-shirt necklines, and prefer a collar. Christina March Luckings 5303 Luckings and March (forever!) _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

After reading your reply, it occurred to me that mine was quite similar too! I state that I am not doing my own name (Brown) but my paternal grandmothers Nikki #6552 (Pullum) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Horridge via" <goons@rootsweb.com> To: goons@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 23 November, 2014 9:47:07 AM Subject: Re: [G] Member Profile Pages layout June / Fiona Ditto. I think that avoids the problem of adding more complexity to the web site but does make the profile page a little more welcoming. I hereby withdraw my suggestion!! Many thanks for all your comments / thoughts. Brian On 23/11/2014 09:29, Fíona Tipple via wrote: > Succinct and to the point, June. Now why didn’t I think of that! > > Fiona Tipple > — > 5538 - Duignan & variants worldwide > > On 23 Nov 2014, at 08:29, June Willing via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> Hi Brian >> >> I just introduce myself at the start of my profile, under About the >> study. >> >> It begins "My name is June Willing and I have been researching my >> family history since 1975. I began the Willing/Willings One-Name Study >> in 1996 ..." >> >> June Willing >> Guild of One-Name Studies member no 2117 >> Willing/Willings One-Name Study >> http://one-name.org/name_profile/Willing/ >> Willing/Willings DNA Project >> http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Willing/ >> Dominicus One-Name Study >> http://one-name.org/name_profile/dominicus-2/ >> >> > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have signed up to take a look, it's still in beta Paul 2627 On 23/11/2014 10:32, Fíona Tipple via wrote: > Did anyone else pick up on this in EOGN this morning? > > http://www.rootstrust.com/ > > It looks very interesting, especially given its cross-platform availability. > > Has anyone heard of the developer? > > Fiona > — > 5538 - Duignan etc. > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have signed up to take a look Paul 2627 On 23/11/2014 10:32, Fíona Tipple via wrote: > Did anyone else pick up on this in EOGN this morning? > > http://www.rootstrust.com/ > > It looks very interesting, especially given its cross-platform availability. > > Has anyone heard of the developer? > > Fiona > — > 5538 - Duignan etc. > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Did anyone else pick up on this in EOGN this morning? http://www.rootstrust.com/ It looks very interesting, especially given its cross-platform availability. Has anyone heard of the developer? Fiona — 5538 - Duignan etc.

I seem to recall a recent discussion on Associate Members - I cannot seem to find it on the forum! Derek ATHERTON One-Name Study Guild of One Name Studies (5039) <mailto:atherton@one-name.org> atherton@one-name.org <http://www.athertonons.com/> www.athertonons.com

Tony, Chris I think it’s important to remember that the Irish surname MONGEY/MUNGAY is an anglicization of the Gaelic Irish surname O Mongaigh; according to MacLysaght it’s a Co. Meath name. There similar-sounding, but unrelated names such as Mangan and Mongan. And I’m sorry Marie, I don’t think that there is *any* Breton connection! What I do think is that assimilation can happen in two directions, especially with emigrant families - MONGEYS can become MINGEYS, and vice versa. As Chris says MINGEY-fied MONGEYS are only of interest to you from the point that they became MINGEY, and then only if you decide it’s appropriate. I took the decision only to follow DAGNAN where I was certain that the progenitor of the specific line had started life as DUIGNAN/DEGNAN/ … . I had included DAGNAN in my variants list, but now that I have decided to restrict the families that I’m going to follow, I will probably remove it. But it really is an interesting problem - when is the name NOT the name! Fiona On 23 Nov 2014, at 07:42, Christopher Gray via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > An interesting puzzle indeed. I see that you view your study as being of > the name MINGAY and its variants. It is up to you whether or not you > include MONGEY. I understand you to say that MONGEY is an off-shoot from > one or more families in Ireland who have chosen (or the record keepers have > chosen) to use that spelling. If that spelling persists, then, in my > opinion it is a different name and outside of the scope of your study. Only > if one or more descendants reverted to the name MINGEY, would you need to > consider them and, only then to follow those specific branches back to your > names - certainly not to cover the name world-wide. I see this as being > similar to a family called BROWN who, a few hundred years ago, added an 'e' > to become BROWNE - the names are different though may come from the same > source. [I don't know how the SMITH study is handling SMYTHE.] > > Chris

I haven't had an alert, but then they seem to have leaps over Luckings (too small a demographic) and gone to March - which is way too common a word for a Google Alert. Shan't be purchasing, though. I don't like t-shirt necklines, and prefer a collar. Christina March Luckings 5303 Luckings and March (forever!)