Appears to be Middle Age terminology. Perhaps the 'carnivalls' were in charge of planning and leading the ceremonies in preparation for Lent. The Catholic Church wanted to stop the people from celebrating pagan festivities. They knew it would be very difficult so they changed the celebration to Carnival and made Carnival a time of merriment before the serious Lent season. Carnival was derived from the Latin word carnelevamen which translates as farewell to flesh. Lent is a time for fasting and giving up things because of the crucifixion of Christ. They added the boeuf gras in the 1500s, which stood for the last meat eaten before Lent. The celebration spread from France to all Catholic countries and flourished during the Middle Ages. https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100216140658AAcK1zg Lee I was recently transcribing a perambulation of the Manor of Old Sodbury in Gloucestershire found in the manorial court records and, in the introduction, it lists those who walked the boundaries. It named the steward, the bailiff and the hayward and then it described a couple of men as being the 'carnivalls'. The word was clearly written at times. I have never come across this term before and can find no definition of it (other than the current definition of a carnival). Does anyone know what a carnivall did. The period concerned was the 1780s. Liz #6058. GWINNETT, etc. _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Riffing on a quote that has been attributed to Dr. Freud - "Sometimes a tree is just a tree" Marie. I am thrilled to see so many images on the website, some of them from our 2013 Guild Competition and I like the logo and colors. More importantly, I like the improvements that our website team continues to add to the site. These improvements give me at a glance the news links, the calendar links, a quick and easy way to search surnames, and an easy way to log in and get to where I want to go. As a result of the recent improvements: (1) I finally put together several sections of my Profile (2) I added 4 names to the Register of Surname Interests (some of my family names in Newfoundland that I am interested in and have information on for a limited time period (1800-current). (3) I can go the old site easily to look through everything I am interested in while the team is hard at work updating, revamping and moving (big fan of the Wiki) Well done - and I am grateful and thankful for all the hard work in the past 6 months by all the Guild volunteers. In the spirit of Thanksgiving - I am counting my blessings and among them are our volunteers, my fellow members (in my humble opinion the Guild is all about the people and so many of you have been so helpful to me with my ONS), and the great resources. Although I send a private thank you whenever I hear from a GOON with a news article or obituary or some results or a link to a data-set or website - let me publicly state that I am so grateful for those of you who forward something to me when you see the surnames KEOUGH, KEOGH, KOUGH or KEHOE. And now I am off to do all that prep work for our Thanksgiving feast tomorrow. To my fellow American GOONs members - have a great and safe holiday. Tessa Tessa Keough Guild of One-Name Studies, Member No. 5089 Keough (Keogh, Kough & Kehoe) Registered ONS On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 6:04 AM, Marie Byatt via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Maybe its just me - but everytime I look at the new logo - it says Tolkien's white tree to me...... was this intentional for a symbol of the rebirth of old memories > > Marie (GOONS 5318) > > > Bringing the world together one surname at a time. > 'A Pepler Name' http://pepler.tribalpages.com > 'Hedgerow - the Ancestors' http://cranberry.tribalpages.com > Pepler DNA Study http://www.familytreedna.com/public/pepler-ow/ > 'Scroops, Scropes and Scroopes' http://dentonlk.tribalpages.com > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

IMHO There are 2 major issues facing a new ONS: - data collection: Tools like Table2clipboard and Outwit Hub allow you to do one-off collections, but the subscription services (Ancestry/FMP) add stuff. How do you do a new collection without having to check (and chuck) out duplicates individually - reconstruction (Chris G's favourite project I think): You've collected thousands of name from the 1880/1 census, so then check out the 1870/1 census - can software reliably merge the personas? Whilst these processes remain "manual", we'll never achieve large scale study coverage. HTH At 20:53 25/11/2014, you wrote: >In a meeting Monday morning I was asked for suggestions / ideas / examples of applications that would be of interest to genealogists. The organizer running that meeting is not a genealogist. I made one suggestion but know that other Guild members will have loads of ideas for them. If any of you have ideas for computer/mobile device applications that would make your research easier to do I would love to pass those along. Wouldn't it be nice if some computer person took an idea from a genealogist and made a tool that really works for genealogists. This is a chance to invite them to do it. > >Darris G. Williams, AG >Guild Member 4633 >Colt/Coult ONS > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Julie Goucher [mailto:juliegoucher@gmail.com] >Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 9:50 AM >To: GOONS >Subject: [G] RootsTec / FGS February 2015 > >Are any Guild members planning to attend? > >Regards > >Julie Goucher >Guild Member 3925 >Orlando & Worship ONS >South Devon Regional Rep > > > > NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. > > > _____________________________________________ > >RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maybe its just me - but everytime I look at the new logo - it says Tolkien's white tree to me...... was this intentional for a symbol of the rebirth of old memories Marie (GOONS 5318) Bringing the world together one surname at a time. 'A Pepler Name' http://pepler.tribalpages.com 'Hedgerow - the Ancestors' http://cranberry.tribalpages.com Pepler DNA Study http://www.familytreedna.com/public/pepler-ow/ 'Scroops, Scropes and Scroopes' http://dentonlk.tribalpages.com

Gordon, I tell people to put genealogy swabs on their customs form. There has never been a problem from anywhere. He will have problems if he puts something like biological sample. Susan -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 11/26/14, Gordon Adshead <gordon@adshead.com> wrote: Subject: International Mailing of DNA Test Kits To: "GOONS" <goons@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Debbie Kennett" <debbiekennett@aol.com>, "Susan Meates" <scm@bellsouth.net>, dna@one-name.org, "Teresa Pask" <teresa.pask@pask.org.uk>, "John Creer" <john@creer.co.uk> Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2014, 5:29 AM Can anyone advise me please on the best practice advice I can give to someone in India on wants to mail his FTDNA Test kit to the USA   ? [I think this means - What you write on the outside of the envelope] Given the risks:- .  The home country may refuse to accept the package .  USA  customs may refuse to import the package One complication being, that if you want to insure that you have paid the correct postage charge, you probably have to consult the Post Office. I have spent a little time searching through the FTDNA web information for Administrators, but so far not found any answers. -------------------------------------------- As far as I know, none of my UK ADSHEADs have had any problems mailing the test kit to the USA But what is the current best advice for what to write on the packet  from the UK? I have an Indian ADSHEAD (part of a dynasty of over 100 ADSHEADs all descended from one soldier who went there in 1822) He paid for his own test kit But he now tells me that "No Courier Service or Post Office over here is willing to accept it, as the Kit contains a Liquid/ Gel substance which they do not accept for shipment" I would be very grateful for any advice or experience on the best way forward please. Many thanks Gordon [+Z] <http://www.adshead.com/>  Gordon Adshead   <gordon@adshead.com> [+Z]   Beaumont House, 2 Goodrington Road, Handforth, Cheshire, SK9 3AT,  UK [+Z]                 Tel:+44-1625-549770  Mob:+44-7776-145602

Hi, In response to this notice and SoG's reply. I understand that Ancestry has most of the 'calendars' from 1858 on their website but what I would like is the same amount of information online to be easily searchable and viewed freely. It was interesting to see the post 1996 effort but unless you are researching a very rare surname it is impossible to know who the deceased is from merely name, date and place of probate. From Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds. E-Mail: merryl.wells@one-name.org GOONS Mem. No. 1757 Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock, Moist/Moyst. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Armstrong via" <goons@rootsweb.com> To: <goons@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 7:22 PM Subject: [G] London Probate Search room to close permanently > The London Probate Search Room is to close permanently on the 12 December > 2014 and all the indexes will be made available online from this date. > Probate and Grants of Administration can be ordered online. Presumably the > postal service from Leeds will remain in place for those who do not wish > to > place an online order. This is going to be on the same web site recently > made available for Soldiers Wills and for Probate from 1996 to the current > date. > > You can read the announcement on the SoG web site together with their > response. > http://www.sog.org.uk/news/article/london-probate-search-rooms-closing-19-december-2014-and-replaced-by-new-on > > Regards, > Peter Armstrong > > email: godsland@one-name.org > Godsland One Name Study > Researching GODSLAND, GOSLAND, GOSSLAND & similar variants World Wide > Website: http://www.godsland.co.uk > > Member No.1987 of the Guild of One Name Studies > Guild Website http://www.one-name.org/ > > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I will be at RootsTech / FGS in Salt Lake. There seems to be a lot of work going into the preparations. The Innovator Summit on Wednesday 11 February is being worked on by some of the people I interact with. Visit https://rootstech.org/agenda/innovator_summit?lang=eng for more details. One part that should be especially interesting is the RootsTech Innovator Challenge which will include $25,000 in prizes. In a meeting Monday morning I was asked for suggestions / ideas / examples of applications that would be of interest to genealogists. The organizer running that meeting is not a genealogist. I made one suggestion but know that other Guild members will have loads of ideas for them. If any of you have ideas for computer/mobile device applications that would make your research easier to do I would love to pass those along. Wouldn't it be nice if some computer person took an idea from a genealogist and made a tool that really works for genealogists. This is a chance to invite them to do it. Darris G. Williams, AG Guild Member 4633 Colt/Coult ONS -----Original Message----- From: Julie Goucher [mailto:juliegoucher@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 9:50 AM To: GOONS Subject: [G] RootsTec / FGS February 2015 Are any Guild members planning to attend? Regards Julie Goucher Guild Member 3925 Orlando & Worship ONS South Devon Regional Rep NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message.

The London Probate Search Room is to close permanently on the 12 December 2014 and all the indexes will be made available online from this date. Probate and Grants of Administration can be ordered online. Presumably the postal service from Leeds will remain in place for those who do not wish to place an online order. This is going to be on the same web site recently made available for Soldiers Wills and for Probate from 1996 to the current date. You can read the announcement on the SoG web site together with their response. http://www.sog.org.uk/news/article/london-probate-search-rooms-closing-19-december-2014-and-replaced-by-new-on Regards, Peter Armstrong email: godsland@one-name.org Godsland One Name Study Researching GODSLAND, GOSLAND, GOSSLAND & similar variants World Wide Website: http://www.godsland.co.uk Member No.1987 of the Guild of One Name Studies Guild Website http://www.one-name.org/

Have just downloaded it to my old laptop (running Yosemite, waiting for the teething problems to be sorted before I download to my main laptop), but I haven’t actually done anything with it yet - still looking at Ol’ Abe. Tomorrow I’ll give it a twirl by importing a GEDCOM to see what happens. I notice they say that they don’t want any more beta testers … Fiona On 23 Nov 2014, at 20:00, John Commins <j.c.commins@gmail.com> wrote: > To rootstrust,s credit they have now issued a email acknowledging that they are having problems, and are working on it > John > > On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Fíona Tipple <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Did anyone else pick up on this in EOGN this morning? > > http://www.rootstrust.com/ > > It looks very interesting, especially given its cross-platform availability. > > Has anyone heard of the developer? > > Fiona > — > 5538 - Duignan etc. > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hate to tell you this Norman, but Thornton also occurs in Ireland, usually as a synonym for native Irish names which have the element ‘thorn’ (as in the things that prick you) in them. I grew up in the west of Ireland and it was often used as the English form of the surname O Draighnean (draighnean = blackthorn), the more usual anglicisation of which is Drennan. I wonder how many Scottish Thorntons are descendants of Irish immigrants? Fiona — 5538 - Duignan & variants (1) the name of an Elizabethan planter family (2) A synonym for the native Irish surnames Drennan (Ir. O Draighnan), Skehan (Mac Sceach On 25 Nov 2014, at 14:23, Norman Thornton via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I am interested in how we speak as I am involved in adult education and > would make some points to help those looking for name variants, at least in > Scotland > > Never discount replacing one vowel sound with the other four or y I am > surprised how often my learners mishear or miswrite vowel sounds. thus there > are Thorntins out there > > In the Scottish records there are wide variations. I drew up a table which > cross checked the two syllables that make up my name and all their variants > then checked for each combination of the two. In some cases you might only > get one or two entries in the Old Parish Records, and for some none. But you > had covered all the bases, and who is to say the one off is not the one you > are looking for. > > I sometimes try and think of unconnected words that might be mistaken for > the surname - in this case mangy would be an option. One amusing one I > spotted was Wardrop and Wardrobe > > Never forget the Ye Olde Curiosity Shoppe - there are plenty of Thornetons > and Thorntonnes of that ilk out there. In Scotland these die out as we move > into the 19thC. but some survive to a later date. By now we are all modern > up to date Thorntons, or so I think. > > Interestingly there are exotics out there. I am looking at the > Fortons/Forntons in the Old Parish Records they appear as a brief flash in > the pan then either left or morphed into? I rather think conformed to the > modern spelling of Thornton. > > Multiple spellings of surnames for the same family appear through time. In > the case of Christian names in my family there is a distinctive > Patrick/Peter swap for the same person repeated in some generations. > > I have never been able to utilise the advanced search in Scotland's People > to reflect all these possibilities but use the free starter search to look > at options. > > Reassuringly there must be some underlying principles that hold true over > the centuries - in my experience few of the more bizarre options actually > appear. > > Norman Thornton > > I am building on my existing variants before rebuilding my spread sheet of > Thorntons in Scotland pre 1855. > > Norman Thornton > > Working in Aberdeen in the eighties I found the Aberdonian accent > incomprehensible for the first few weeks and they thought I was from London > when I am actually from Edinburgh. Local accents can distort names in > different ways. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mingay via > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 11:10 PM > To: GOONS Forum > Subject: [G] re :- Puzzled? > > Hi All, > I am overwhelmed by the number of replies. The many suggestions > as to the way forward has taken my breath away and will need much time to > mull over which is the best or more suitable to me and therefore the whole > 'puzzle' will be put on the back-burner for now. > > It is so interesting that the signitures on the applications for USA > naturalisation of three brothers, James Patrick & Lawerence are all quite > clearly MINGY. This corresponds with the transcription of there baptisms in > Ireland, their father being Edward MINGY but there are very few other > recorded MINGY, which is 'where I came in' as they say. > > A question which is raised from all of this is ' How do we learn to write > our name', in general our parents showed us. But what happens when as was > years ago the parents were illiterate, the answer they relied on the parish > Priest/Vicar or whatever to write the surname as they thought fit. This is > then made more complicated when the 'accent' of the 'recorder' is not the > same as the 'locals' and further more in the case of Ireland where there are > other languages being use, ie Gaelic and/or Latin, makes even further > difficulties in ascertaining the correct spelling of a surname, but you all > new that anyway. > > I will leave the data in my database at the point when the MINGY/MINGEY > emmigrated to USA and any thereafter and not try and trace it back to > Ireland, making a note for my 'heir apparent' to sort out this puzzle. > > Once again MANY THANKS to all replies. > > > Regards Tony > Anthony John MINGAY, now in NZ once of Kent & Suffolk, England but still > researching Worldwide the surname MINGAY & its variants. > http://www.mingayhistory.co.uk. > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am interested in how we speak as I am involved in adult education and would make some points to help those looking for name variants, at least in Scotland Never discount replacing one vowel sound with the other four or y I am surprised how often my learners mishear or miswrite vowel sounds. thus there are Thorntins out there In the Scottish records there are wide variations. I drew up a table which cross checked the two syllables that make up my name and all their variants then checked for each combination of the two. In some cases you might only get one or two entries in the Old Parish Records, and for some none. But you had covered all the bases, and who is to say the one off is not the one you are looking for. I sometimes try and think of unconnected words that might be mistaken for the surname - in this case mangy would be an option. One amusing one I spotted was Wardrop and Wardrobe Never forget the Ye Olde Curiosity Shoppe - there are plenty of Thornetons and Thorntonnes of that ilk out there. In Scotland these die out as we move into the 19thC. but some survive to a later date. By now we are all modern up to date Thorntons, or so I think. Interestingly there are exotics out there. I am looking at the Fortons/Forntons in the Old Parish Records they appear as a brief flash in the pan then either left or morphed into? I rather think conformed to the modern spelling of Thornton. Multiple spellings of surnames for the same family appear through time. In the case of Christian names in my family there is a distinctive Patrick/Peter swap for the same person repeated in some generations. I have never been able to utilise the advanced search in Scotland's People to reflect all these possibilities but use the free starter search to look at options. Reassuringly there must be some underlying principles that hold true over the centuries - in my experience few of the more bizarre options actually appear. Norman Thornton I am building on my existing variants before rebuilding my spread sheet of Thorntons in Scotland pre 1855. Norman Thornton Working in Aberdeen in the eighties I found the Aberdonian accent incomprehensible for the first few weeks and they thought I was from London when I am actually from Edinburgh. Local accents can distort names in different ways. -----Original Message----- From: mingay via Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 11:10 PM To: GOONS Forum Subject: [G] re :- Puzzled? Hi All, I am overwhelmed by the number of replies. The many suggestions as to the way forward has taken my breath away and will need much time to mull over which is the best or more suitable to me and therefore the whole 'puzzle' will be put on the back-burner for now. It is so interesting that the signitures on the applications for USA naturalisation of three brothers, James Patrick & Lawerence are all quite clearly MINGY. This corresponds with the transcription of there baptisms in Ireland, their father being Edward MINGY but there are very few other recorded MINGY, which is 'where I came in' as they say. A question which is raised from all of this is ' How do we learn to write our name', in general our parents showed us. But what happens when as was years ago the parents were illiterate, the answer they relied on the parish Priest/Vicar or whatever to write the surname as they thought fit. This is then made more complicated when the 'accent' of the 'recorder' is not the same as the 'locals' and further more in the case of Ireland where there are other languages being use, ie Gaelic and/or Latin, makes even further difficulties in ascertaining the correct spelling of a surname, but you all new that anyway. I will leave the data in my database at the point when the MINGY/MINGEY emmigrated to USA and any thereafter and not try and trace it back to Ireland, making a note for my 'heir apparent' to sort out this puzzle. Once again MANY THANKS to all replies. Regards Tony Anthony John MINGAY, now in NZ once of Kent & Suffolk, England but still researching Worldwide the surname MINGAY & its variants. http://www.mingayhistory.co.uk. _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, I am overwhelmed by the number of replies. The many suggestions as to the way forward has taken my breath away and will need much time to mull over which is the best or more suitable to me and therefore the whole 'puzzle' will be put on the back-burner for now. It is so interesting that the signitures on the applications for USA naturalisation of three brothers, James Patrick & Lawerence are all quite clearly MINGY. This corresponds with the transcription of there baptisms in Ireland, their father being Edward MINGY but there are very few other recorded MINGY, which is 'where I came in' as they say. A question which is raised from all of this is ' How do we learn to write our name', in general our parents showed us. But what happens when as was years ago the parents were illiterate, the answer they relied on the parish Priest/Vicar or whatever to write the surname as they thought fit. This is then made more complicated when the 'accent' of the 'recorder' is not the same as the 'locals' and further more in the case of Ireland where there are other languages being use, ie Gaelic and/or Latin, makes even further difficulties in ascertaining the correct spelling of a surname, but you all new that anyway. I will leave the data in my database at the point when the MINGY/MINGEY emmigrated to USA and any thereafter and not try and trace it back to Ireland, making a note for my 'heir apparent' to sort out this puzzle. Once again MANY THANKS to all replies. Regards Tony Anthony John MINGAY, now in NZ once of Kent & Suffolk, England but still researching Worldwide the surname MINGAY & its variants. http://www.mingayhistory.co.uk.

The substituting of vowel sounds may be a result of the great vowel shift that occurred among many European languages in the late middle ages. Isolated areas not affected by the shift may be pronouncing vowels as they were historically. This may be the reason for the difference between vowels in Scots and those in English. Forty years ago, I noticed that the old timers - then in their upper 80s and 90s -- in West Virginia pronounced vowel sounds quite differently than in other parts of America. Later I found out that many of these sounds were congruent with the original pronunciation of English prior to the great vowel shift. Jim On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Norman Thornton via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I am interested in how we speak as I am involved in adult education and > would make some points to help those looking for name variants, at least in > Scotland > > Never discount replacing one vowel sound with the other four or y I am > surprised how often my learners mishear or miswrite vowel sounds. thus there > are Thorntins out there > > In the Scottish records there are wide variations. I drew up a table which > cross checked the two syllables that make up my name and all their variants > then checked for each combination of the two. In some cases you might only > get one or two entries in the Old Parish Records, and for some none. But you > had covered all the bases, and who is to say the one off is not the one you > are looking for. > > I sometimes try and think of unconnected words that might be mistaken for > the surname - in this case mangy would be an option. One amusing one I > spotted was Wardrop and Wardrobe > > Never forget the Ye Olde Curiosity Shoppe - there are plenty of Thornetons > and Thorntonnes of that ilk out there. In Scotland these die out as we move > into the 19thC. but some survive to a later date. By now we are all modern > up to date Thorntons, or so I think. > > Interestingly there are exotics out there. I am looking at the > Fortons/Forntons in the Old Parish Records they appear as a brief flash in > the pan then either left or morphed into? I rather think conformed to the > modern spelling of Thornton. > > Multiple spellings of surnames for the same family appear through time. In > the case of Christian names in my family there is a distinctive > Patrick/Peter swap for the same person repeated in some generations. > > I have never been able to utilise the advanced search in Scotland's People > to reflect all these possibilities but use the free starter search to look > at options. > > Reassuringly there must be some underlying principles that hold true over > the centuries - in my experience few of the more bizarre options actually > appear. > > Norman Thornton > > I am building on my existing variants before rebuilding my spread sheet of > Thorntons in Scotland pre 1855. > > Norman Thornton > > Working in Aberdeen in the eighties I found the Aberdonian accent > incomprehensible for the first few weeks and they thought I was from London > when I am actually from Edinburgh. Local accents can distort names in > different ways. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mingay via > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 11:10 PM > To: GOONS Forum > Subject: [G] re :- Puzzled? > > Hi All, > I am overwhelmed by the number of replies. The many suggestions > as to the way forward has taken my breath away and will need much time to > mull over which is the best or more suitable to me and therefore the whole > 'puzzle' will be put on the back-burner for now. > > It is so interesting that the signitures on the applications for USA > naturalisation of three brothers, James Patrick & Lawerence are all quite > clearly MINGY. This corresponds with the transcription of there baptisms in > Ireland, their father being Edward MINGY but there are very few other > recorded MINGY, which is 'where I came in' as they say. > > A question which is raised from all of this is ' How do we learn to write > our name', in general our parents showed us. But what happens when as was > years ago the parents were illiterate, the answer they relied on the parish > Priest/Vicar or whatever to write the surname as they thought fit. This is > then made more complicated when the 'accent' of the 'recorder' is not the > same as the 'locals' and further more in the case of Ireland where there are > other languages being use, ie Gaelic and/or Latin, makes even further > difficulties in ascertaining the correct spelling of a surname, but you all > new that anyway. > > I will leave the data in my database at the point when the MINGY/MINGEY > emmigrated to USA and any thereafter and not try and trace it back to > Ireland, making a note for my 'heir apparent' to sort out this puzzle. > > Once again MANY THANKS to all replies. > > > Regards Tony > Anthony John MINGAY, now in NZ once of Kent & Suffolk, England but still > researching Worldwide the surname MINGAY & its variants. > http://www.mingayhistory.co.uk. > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Jim James M. Owston, EdD Owston One-Name Study #5647 owston@one-name.org http://www.one-name.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi?find=5647

Even Fornton makes a certain amount of sense, if you think about the ways that F and TH used to be drawn. Barbara -- Barbara Zanzig Kirkland, WA Zanzig one name study: http://www.zanziggenealogy.info/ZanzigStudy/index.htm -- Barbara Zanzig TMG-REFUGEES list admin admin email: TMG-REFUGEES-admin@rootsweb.com list address: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Miscellaneous/TMG-REFUGEES.html list website: https://sites.google.com/site/tmgrefugees

Norman Even if you haven't registered a one-name study with the Guild you can still register your surname interests. Log into the Members' Room, click on Members/Register a Surname Interest, and then fill in your details. Whenever someone searches for your surnames in the Guild register from the home page of the website your entry will show up. To see how it works type in Faithfull in the search box and you can see one of my entries. See the article by the Registrar on page 26 of the October-December 2013 issue of JOONS which explains how the scheme works: http://one-name.org/journals/volume-11/vol11-08/ If you're interested in all things Thornton perhaps you should be registering the Thornton surname with the Guild. Every one-name study has to start somewhere so it doesn't matter if you haven't yet done, say, Australia or America. The only requirement when you register a surname is that you must answer all enquiries. If you register the Thornton surname with the Guild you can then create your own profile page - a web page devoted to your Thornton study. You can list on your profile page all the material that you've collected so that people know what to expect when writing to you. If you like, you can include on your profile page some information about your other research interests. For example, I have a short paragraph on my profile which lists all the other surnames that I'm researching. The profile pages show up highly in search engine results and I've sometimes had enquiries for these other surnames through the Guild. You can find details on how to register a surname here: http://www.one-name.org/guildhowreg.html You can find out how to set up a profile page here: http://one-name.org/do-you-have-a-profile-page-for-your-one-name-study/ Debbie Kennett Member no. 4554 Cruwys/Cruse/Cruise one-name study http://cruwys.blogspot.com http://one-name.org/name_profile/cruwys http://www.familytreedna.com/public/CruwysDNA -----Original Message----- From: goons-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:goons-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Norman Thornton via Sent: 24 November 2014 15:16 To: Fíona Tipple; goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] Member Profile Pages layout - others getting their messageacross. What about members who have not started a one name study? How do they get their interests across? I have not registered a study but I still have interests. Parish Records of churches not affiliated to the Church of Scotland, West Lothian Surnames, Other forms of records, and of course all things Thornton.

Hi Norman One way is to join the appropriate family history societies for the areas where your names of interest are centred. Most of them put their members interests on their websites. For example, Glasgow and West of Scotland FHS http://www.gwsfhs.org.uk/omid/ I am aware that many people are not aware of local family history societies or do not see why they should join one. For that reason, perhaps, many of these local societies have a FaceBook page. You generally do not have to belong to the society to join its FaceBook page. Many list members interests, eg Devon, Somerset & Dorset. If you are interested in all things Thornton, are you considering registering this? June Willing Guild of One-Name Studies member no 2117 Willing/Willings One-Name Study http://one-name.org/name_profile/Willing/ Willing/Willings DNA Project http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Willing/ Dominicus One-Name Study http://one-name.org/name_profile/dominicus-2/ On 24 Nov 2014, at 15:15, Norman Thornton via wrote: > What about members who have not started a one name study? How do > they get > their interests across? I have not registered a study but I still have > interests. Parish Records of churches not affiliated to the Church of > Scotland, West Lothian Surnames, Other forms of records, and of > course all > things Thornton. > ----Original Message----- > From: Fíona Tipplevia > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 9:29 AM > To: June Willing ; goons@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [G] Member Profile Pages layout > > Succinct and to the point, June. Now why didn’t I think of that! > > Fiona Tipple > — > 5538 - Duignan & variants worldwide > > On 23 Nov 2014, at 08:29, June Willing via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> Hi Brian >> >> I just introduce myself at the start of my profile, under About the >> study. >> >> It begins "My name is June Willing and I have been researching my >> family history since 1975. I began the Willing/Willings One-Name >> Study >> in 1996 ..." >> >> June Willing >> Guild of One-Name Studies member no 2117 >> Willing/Willings One-Name Study >> http://one-name.org/name_profile/Willing/ >> Willing/Willings DNA Project >> http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Willing/ >> Dominicus One-Name Study >> http://one-name.org/name_profile/dominicus-2/ >> >> > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

RootsTec (http://www.rootstech.org/?lang=eng) and FGS (https://www.fgsconference.org/registration/) are having a joint event in early February 2015. Are any Guild members planning to attend? Regards Julie Goucher Guild Member 3925 Orlando & Worship ONS South Devon Regional Rep

"Tambourine" and "tabor" are certainly both derivatives of the same word, the former more recently through French though the instrument is Middle Eastern. The instruments themselves are very ancient. I see that the OED says about "tabor" that "the word is held to be of Oriental origin, and has been compared with Persian tabīrah, and tabūrāk, both meaning ‘drum’, and with Arabic ṭanbūr a kind of lute or lyre." Geoff On 24 November 2014 at 15:24, Norman Thornton <normanthornton@talktalk.net> wrote: > i liked the occupation tambouriner I thought what the heck how many bands > were there in Bathgate. In fact it is the frame you stretch linen across so > you can embroider it. There were a whole host of related trades in Bathgate > till the industrial revolution changed things. It looks like a tambourine. I > have met a tabor and wondered if there was a relationship. Norman Thornton

i liked the occupation tambouriner I thought what the heck how many bands were there in Bathgate. In fact it is the frame you stretch linen across so you can embroider it. There were a whole host of related trades in Bathgate till the industrial revolution changed things. It looks like a tambourine. I have met a tabor and wondered if there was a relationship. Norman Thornton -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Chew via Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 9:14 PM To: Derek Allen ; GOONS Subject: Re: [G] Census occupation 1871 Throstle spinner, though spelt throstlspinner. Geoff On 23 November 2014 at 20:54, Derek Allen via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hello Forumers > > Please can one of you decipher an occupation of a 13yr old? > > 1871 Census Bosden Cheshire RG10/3667 page 4 > > Family of Richard HOYLE aged 35 - Sapper Royal Engineers > > his daughter "Mary Emma do" 13yrs old has a longish occupation that is > trying me. Looks like it starts with "shr.......pinner". Or perhaps I am > miles off the mark? Might be something akin to her mothers occupation of > vestmaker. > > Help much appreciated > regards > Derek (Goon #216) > -- > researching Codgbrook & Westerdale > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -- Geoff Chew geoffchew1@gmail.com _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Caryl, Any Scotson names would be gratefully received. Thank you Allan Have just purchased a book with lists of MM holders. Does anyone want a item/s looked up Caryl Gill (4262) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com